Biden Presidency and the Consequences.

Windlesham1

Established member
You will be devastated when the dems get mullered in November. :ROFLMAO:

Trump is a shoe in for 2024. (y)
I thankfully have not lived in the US for >20 years. Retardicans will destroy America, they are the most ignorant uneducated low IQ people in any first world nation. Frankly they are an embarrassment. The world laughs at their stars like Taylor- Greene and Boebert and their abusive sex criminal husbands. Moscow Mitch and ugly wife Cruz. NRA owns these clowns.Putin owns these clowns. The fact that not one intelligent person supports the criminal moron Trump should tell you something. Your man crush is going to jail and America will be relieved of Putin's poodle. Count on it. Biden is known throughout the world as a respected politician. Trump is pure comedy,to the first world, but lethal to America. A wretched spoilt traitorous infant in a man's world. Have a think about what you want- chaos and a rich elite taking your mum's home,that's the GOP way-are you too 'Republican' to know that? Dubya wrecked the US, Trump almost shut it down.
 
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Windlesham1

Established member
Buy Trump's logic Ted Cruz and his ugly wife( to quote Donnie) would be sent back to Cuba. No intelligent person votes Republican, but in a democracy morons get to vote too. Putin knows this and uses this low IQ base to destabilise America. You people really need to get out of mum's basement, into the adult world.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
The US always flourishes under Democrats. Retards like Trump Reagan and Bush- the world laughs at them even now. You might want to Google how the US fares under each administration and stop swallowing the lies of the moronic fascists. No intelligent person supports Trump.
This all shows more than a little mixed reasoning.

Your first point is wrong - Trump, Reagan and Bush cannot have literally been mentally retarded - they all three succeeded significantly in multiple previous professional pursuits and then moved into politics - at which they all three succeeded at the highest level imaginable. So whether or not you support their politics, these are three radical over-performers and its not conceivable they could be cursed with mental deficiency.

Your second point is right but your reasoning is incomplete. Does the world laugh at Trump, Reagan and Bush? Yes. But there hasn't been a US president who was not laughed at since JF Kennedy. They have all been laughed at. Yet its possible to think that Kennedy remains so revered partly because he was assassinated early in life - he simply didn't have enough years in the job in which to royally screw up like the others. I think all this shows is that the world has a healthy scepticism towards politicians of all parties and most of the world is free enough to express their disdain. But much of that freedom is due to the US.

The point regarding whether any intelligent people support Trump is the most insidious. Your observation suggests distrust in US democracy, since its a historical fact that Trump was elected president, and you appear to blame stupid voters for this event. Three things can be supposed that you might wish to suggest to prevent this happening again -
1) ban stupid voters from voting.
or
2) ban politicians supported by stupid people from standing for president
or
3) ban voting, and just let the intelligent people decide who gets the top job

Whichever way you choose, it looks like you favour autocracy for the US rather than democracy.

As a final remark, the absolute contempt by the left for Trump's supporters as human individuals and their moral values and intelligence is responsible for the explosive growth of "woke" attitudes since Trump's election, which has to be the most divisive development in US culture since slave shipments began.
 

Windlesham1

Established member
You make good points but no, Obama and Clinton were not laughed at- they had gravitas and were well respected. Reagan was a B movie actor who was a stooge for the far right agenda- enrigh the rich, say what the teleprompter tells you. Pile on the debt,the poor will pay. Trump inherited a property empire in the greatest property boom in history. He even managed to bankrupt a casino. He is a clueless bully who got lucky- most of his 'businesses' failed- Trump steaks etc. The list is long. He is utterly clueless in business, let alone affairs of state. To quote John Bolton- the White House under Trump was like watching a pin ball machine. Again, pile on the debt, the poor will pay. Now Dubya was an imbecile who was gifted a $600,000 stake in a baseball team in a concocted deal to make him look like a smart businessman. Again a stooge, witless and absurd, but a puppet of the rich elite's agenda. Pile on the debt, enrich the elite, the poor will pay. What you probably don't know is how in 2016 Cambridge Analytica and Russia's FSB had learned how to rouse the disenchanted, the low IQ masses and give them a flag to rally round. The low life element living in mum's basement were a gift to the Trump circus. Many even thought they were just voting ironically as Hillary was too much like their mom.
The vitriol spouted by Republicans against the Democrats was obscene. Accusing Biden of paedophilia-and even Hillary- in a childish plot called 'pizzagate'. Now add on the bewildered folk who give their money to the scam preachers, and enlist those people to the right- because Democrats are 'godless, heathens'. Now get those TV scamvangelists (criminals mostly,fake Christians definitely) to tell those bewildered gullible folk that while Trump is without doubt scum, the 'lord works through bad people'. Check out the Comey Rule, and understand how rotten the radical right are. How they will go to any lengths -like supporting the NRA ( who gifted hundreds of millions to GOP senators). This is order to enrich the elite while making the country ever more indebted. GOP do it every time.
Drain the swamp?- Trump is truly the swamp creature -he even had his good friend Jeffrey Epstein murdered. The list of indictments and imprisonments upon his aides, in any other country would have brought down the administration. It is hard for anyone with an ounce of sense to vote for Republicans when we know they are criminal traitors liars and threat to the American people. The American dream is one big scam, and it's sad to see.
 

Rufus_Leakey

Well-known member
You make good points but no, Obama and Clinton were not laughed at-
Yeah, nobody laughed at "It depends on what the meaning of is is."
Or, check out the famous "57 states" gaffe (the U.S. has 50 states).

The vitriol spouted by Republicans against the Democrats was obscene. Accusing Biden of paedophilia
He just likes a good sniff (and sometimes a touch or two).:)

The truth is politicians and campaign staff of all parties (at least in the U.S.) think negativeness works.
 
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tomorton

Legendary member
You make good points but no, Obama and Clinton were not laughed at- they had gravitas and were well respected. Reagan was a B movie actor who was a stooge for the far right agenda- enrigh the rich, say what the teleprompter tells you. Pile on the debt,the poor will pay. Trump inherited a property empire in the greatest property boom in history. He even managed to bankrupt a casino. He is a clueless bully who got lucky- most of his 'businesses' failed- Trump steaks etc. The list is long. He is utterly clueless in business, let alone affairs of state. To quote John Bolton- the White House under Trump was like watching a pin ball machine. Again, pile on the debt, the poor will pay. Now Dubya was an imbecile who was gifted a $600,000 stake in a baseball team in a concocted deal to make him look like a smart businessman. Again a stooge, witless and absurd, but a puppet of the rich elite's agenda. Pile on the debt, enrich the elite, the poor will pay. What you probably don't know is how in 2016 Cambridge Analytica and Russia's FSB had learned how to rouse the disenchanted, the low IQ masses and give them a flag to rally round. The low life element living in mum's basement were a gift to the Trump circus. Many even thought they were just voting ironically as Hillary was too much like their mom.
The vitriol spouted by Republicans against the Democrats was obscene. Accusing Biden of paedophilia-and even Hillary- in a childish plot called 'pizzagate'. Now add on the bewildered folk who give their money to the scam preachers, and enlist those people to the right- because Democrats are 'godless, heathens'. Now get those TV scamvangelists (criminals mostly,fake Christians definitely) to tell those bewildered gullible folk that while Trump is without doubt scum, the 'lord works through bad people'. Check out the Comey Rule, and understand how rotten the radical right are. How they will go to any lengths -like supporting the NRA ( who gifted hundreds of millions to GOP senators). This is order to enrich the elite while making the country ever more indebted. GOP do it every time.
Drain the swamp?- Trump is truly the swamp creature -he even had his good friend Jeffrey Epstein murdered. The list of indictments and imprisonments upon his aides, in any other country would have brought down the administration. It is hard for anyone with an ounce of sense to vote for Republicans when we know they are criminal traitors liars and threat to the American people. The American dream is one big scam, and it's sad to see.
You must have a very selective memory of you think Obama and Clinton were not laughed at.

On top of which they were each reviled in different ways for inadequate leadership when in the White House.

Its naive to suppose that the US is run by a clique of the rich elite. Firstly there's no evidence that could stand up in a court of law that this has happened. If there was, the Democrats would have used it.

And if this elite is so powerful, then only Republican governments would ever get into power.

And how would Democrat politicians be immune in some way to the temptations and persuasions from this so and so rich powerful elite?

This is part of an immature attitude which suggests there must be a malign human agency behind everything bad that happens. The danger is that it creates a permanent and false bias against certain groups who become marginalised and excluded from the democratic process, as you seem to suggest Trump voters should be - so the problem becomes its not just that they hold mistaken views, its that they are inherently not to be trusted.

The mistaken negative view of the rich, especially in the US where so much wealth has been created by successful business and enterprise, also undermines capitalism, opening the door to socialism. This would be the ruin of the US, as it has been for every other country where it has become the dominant movement.

"Draining the swamp" was always BS. "Pizzagate" was always BS. But we all recognise that sometimes politicians spout BS because they're politicians. That doesn't make them agents of a foreign power or a secret cabal or the devil himself.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
You make good points but no, Obama and Clinton were not laughed at- they had gravitas and were well respected. Reagan was a B movie actor who was a stooge for the far right agenda- enrigh the rich, say what the teleprompter tells you. Pile on the debt,the poor will pay. Trump inherited a property empire in the greatest property boom in history. He even managed to bankrupt a casino. He is a clueless bully who got lucky- most of his 'businesses' failed- Trump steaks etc. The list is long. He is utterly clueless in business, let alone affairs of state. To quote John Bolton- the White House under Trump was like watching a pin ball machine. Again, pile on the debt, the poor will pay. Now Dubya was an imbecile who was gifted a $600,000 stake in a baseball team in a concocted deal to make him look like a smart businessman. Again a stooge, witless and absurd, but a puppet of the rich elite's agenda. Pile on the debt, enrich the elite, the poor will pay. What you probably don't know is how in 2016 Cambridge Analytica and Russia's FSB had learned how to rouse the disenchanted, the low IQ masses and give them a flag to rally round. The low life element living in mum's basement were a gift to the Trump circus. Many even thought they were just voting ironically as Hillary was too much like their mom.
The vitriol spouted by Republicans against the Democrats was obscene. Accusing Biden of paedophilia-and even Hillary- in a childish plot called 'pizzagate'. Now add on the bewildered folk who give their money to the scam preachers, and enlist those people to the right- because Democrats are 'godless, heathens'. Now get those TV scamvangelists (criminals mostly,fake Christians definitely) to tell those bewildered gullible folk that while Trump is without doubt scum, the 'lord works through bad people'. Check out the Comey Rule, and understand how rotten the radical right are. How they will go to any lengths -like supporting the NRA ( who gifted hundreds of millions to GOP senators). This is order to enrich the elite while making the country ever more indebted. GOP do it every time.
Drain the swamp?- Trump is truly the swamp creature -he even had his good friend Jeffrey Epstein murdered. The list of indictments and imprisonments upon his aides, in any other country would have brought down the administration. It is hard for anyone with an ounce of sense to vote for Republicans when we know they are criminal traitors liars and threat to the American people. The American dream is one big scam, and it's sad to see.
Because I'm not in the US, sometimes some political events there pass me by, and I forget some details.

Perhaps you can remind me what Clinton and Obama actually did with regards gun control?
 

Windlesham1

Established member
Republicans block good laws at every turn.
Because I'm not in the US, sometimes some political events there pass me by, and I forget some details.

Perhaps you can remind me what Clinton and Obama actually did with regards gun control?
Blocked by the NRA owned GOP- don't you know that?
 

Windlesham1

Established member
You must have a very selective memory of you think Obama and Clinton were not laughed at.

On top of which they were each reviled in different ways for inadequate leadership when in the White House.

Its naive to suppose that the US is run by a clique of the rich elite. Firstly there's no evidence that could stand up in a court of law that this has happened. If there was, the Democrats would have used it.

And if this elite is so powerful, then only Republican governments would ever get into power.

And how would Democrat politicians be immune in some way to the temptations and persuasions from this so and so rich powerful elite?

This is part of an immature attitude which suggests there must be a malign human agency behind everything bad that happens. The danger is that it creates a permanent and false bias against certain groups who become marginalised and excluded from the democratic process, as you seem to suggest Trump voters should be - so the problem becomes its not just that they hold mistaken views, its that they are inherently not to be trusted.

The mistaken negative view of the rich, especially in the US where so much wealth has been created by successful business and enterprise, also undermines capitalism, opening the door to socialism. This would be the ruin of the US, as it has been for every other country where it has become the dominant movement.

"Draining the swamp" was always BS. "Pizzagate" was always BS. But we all recognise that sometimes politicians spout BS because they're politicians. That doesn't make them agents of a foreign power or a secret cabal or the devil himself.
Here's what we know about socialism, which, like for most of us in Northern Europe is the fairer distribution of wealth. Yes there is an element of capitalism.
North Korea is not socialist it's a dictatorship, but Americans are told that is socialism.
Regarding wealth creation, yes Musk has been amazing, Bezos too for persevering with what looked like a joke for 20 years. However they employ sweat shop tactics. Most wealth globally is inherited having been purloined from other people. The native Americans were treated appallingly. Slavery built the US, and to a degreee the British Empire, though the industrial revolution was a key driver giving the UK the edge. Americans are fed a pack of lies, Fox News etc -and like in 2008 those of us who trade the markets and have trusted news sources knew 100% that the sub prime crash had to happen.Thanks, I made £££. Who went to jail? Just one person. Iceland locked up a fair few banksters and recovered from the shambles. The US is of course owned by an elite and putting Trump in prison where he and his crime family belong has to be handled very very delicately. For the avoidance of doubt Trump's business is reliant on Russina mob money, brokered by Deutsche bank, who are as bent as you like. Can you imaginehow corrupt Republicans are? Owned by NRA, big oil, big pharma. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Verifiable from actual US government records. US politics is a cesspit and the only way out of this is to educate the populus, and ban such evils as Fox News and the TV scamvangelists. We know they fund GOP too, keeping the gullbile in their place,denying first world levels of welfare, health care and housing, to keep a compliant uneducated work force. Again- read or watch the Comey Rule to get an understanding of the disgusting behaviour of Trump and the GOP criminals-and rememebr even when they were in power, many went to jail. The world cannot afford another shitshow so a few elites can sail their super yachts on their champagne lakes. Hillary won in 2016 but Putin engineered a very smart coup, thanks to the electoral college. Dems got it wrong andcan be accused of being remote and patronising. But when we see Trumpers being interviewed, the level of stupidity is staggering. Sorry but the US flourishes under Dems,and old Joe has done pretty well so far,when you know what a shitshow Trump created. And when I said nobody laghed at Clinton and Obama, of course Americans did-Fox News told them to. Globally they are still well respected for their intellect and for steering the GOP owned house of evil through the shitshows created by GOP.
Nothing good gets done when Republicans hold sway- just be thankful you're not a diabetic in the US.
 

Windlesham1

Established member
Yet again- Read or watch the Comey Rule-you'll start to get an idea of how appalling Trump is, and you will undretsnad that must never be allowed again. The reason they are not in jail now is because the low IQ masses would mobilise with their AR-15s and cause a civil war. The US is being played by Putin and GOP.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
Republicans block good laws at every turn.

Blocked by the NRA owned GOP- don't you know that?
I'd be fairly sure the NRA isn't rich enough to own the Republican party. And the NRA don't get a vote in either house surely? And didn't Obama control both houses for 2 years, the first president with such power for several decades?

It has to sound like you're making excuses for him doing nothing substantial when he had the chance by alleging corruption. Both before and subsequently, the democratic will of the American people is they don't want the sort of gun control that the Democrats want. Its always going to be the case that leftists blame the capitalism-democracy system for their own failures.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
Here's what we know about socialism, which, like for most of us in Northern Europe is the fairer distribution of wealth. Yes there is an element of capitalism.
North Korea is not socialist it's a dictatorship, but Americans are told that is socialism.
Regarding wealth creation, yes Musk has been amazing, Bezos too for persevering with what looked like a joke for 20 years. However they employ sweat shop tactics. Most wealth globally is inherited having been purloined from other people. The native Americans were treated appallingly. Slavery built the US, and to a degreee the British Empire, though the industrial revolution was a key driver giving the UK the edge. Americans are fed a pack of lies, Fox News etc -and like in 2008 those of us who trade the markets and have trusted news sources knew 100% that the sub prime crash had to happen.Thanks, I made £££. Who went to jail? Just one person. Iceland locked up a fair few banksters and recovered from the shambles. The US is of course owned by an elite and putting Trump in prison where he and his crime family belong has to be handled very very delicately. For the avoidance of doubt Trump's business is reliant on Russina mob money, brokered by Deutsche bank, who are as bent as you like. Can you imaginehow corrupt Republicans are? Owned by NRA, big oil, big pharma. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Verifiable from actual US government records. US politics is a cesspit and the only way out of this is to educate the populus, and ban such evils as Fox News and the TV scamvangelists. We know they fund GOP too, keeping the gullbile in their place,denying first world levels of welfare, health care and housing, to keep a compliant uneducated work force. Again- read or watch the Comey Rule to get an understanding of the disgusting behaviour of Trump and the GOP criminals-and rememebr even when they were in power, many went to jail. The world cannot afford another shitshow so a few elites can sail their super yachts on their champagne lakes. Hillary won in 2016 but Putin engineered a very smart coup, thanks to the electoral college. Dems got it wrong andcan be accused of being remote and patronising. But when we see Trumpers being interviewed, the level of stupidity is staggering. Sorry but the US flourishes under Dems,and old Joe has done pretty well so far,when you know what a shitshow Trump created. And when I said nobody laghed at Clinton and Obama, of course Americans did-Fox News told them to. Globally they are still well respected for their intellect and for steering the GOP owned house of evil through the shitshows created by GOP.
Nothing good gets done when Republicans hold sway- just be thankful you're not a diabetic in the US.
Whatever you say about North Korea it began life under socialism. As did many of the great dictatorships of modern history. So where has socialism worked well?
 

Windlesham1

Established member
Now think about it- $100 million buys a lot of votes from people who also take bribes from big pharma( keeping insluin prices sky high) big oil- killing the planet. GOP are opposed to tacking global warming while extreme weather events tell us it may already be too late. Why would they do that? They are immoral, and appeal to the less intellectually able. GOP have used the philibuster to block good laws too. Seen the Comey Rule yet? I hope you didn't lose a family member or medical professional in those early days when Jared was scamming the US Gov with a massive grift that causd an estimated excess 100,000 deaths. It's not that GOP are bad it's that they are vile, self serving, nasty, ignorant people who hate America's hard working poor.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
No no no -North Korea was a puppet of Communist China. And here's a link to the millions the NRA bribed GOP with:
And is China not one of the largest socialist regimes ever implemented? Does Communist China have democratic capitalist puppet governments then?

I can't get drawn into giving you a definition of what socialism is. I can definitely recommend "The Communist Manifesto" by Marx and "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis" by von Mises.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
Now think about it- $100 million buys a lot of votes from people who also take bribes from big pharma( keeping insluin prices sky high) big oil- killing the planet. GOP are opposed to tacking global warming while extreme weather events tell us it may already be too late. Why would they do that? They are immoral, and appeal to the less intellectually able. GOP have used the philibuster to block good laws too. Seen the Comey Rule yet? I hope you didn't lose a family member or medical professional in those early days when Jared was scamming the US Gov with a massive grift that causd an estimated excess 100,000 deaths. It's not that GOP are bad it's that they are vile, self serving, nasty, ignorant people who hate America's hard working poor.
It cannot have been a surprise to anyone when the US muffed the handling of covid. When your starting point is a dysfunctional healthcare system, a raft of bloated and inefficient federal government departments and a maze of responsibilities and power games between those government departments and 50+ state governments, an internal nationwide response is going to be a mess.

But the answer to poor government is not more people in government with more powers.
 

tomorton

Legendary member
Actually, going back to an earlier point, the US healthcare system is one reason why most of the west laughs at US presidents. If they can't even fix that, what are they good for?
 

Windlesham1

Established member
And is China not one of the largest socialist regimes ever implemented? Does Communist China have democratic capitalist puppet governments then?

I can't get drawn into giving you a definition of what socialism is. I can definitely recommend "The Communist Manifesto" by Marx and "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis" by von Mises.
China is not socialist -most of Northern Europe is. Semantics however. The US is terrified by the message of the elite who via MSM convince the weak minded that 'socialism' is bad, without any kind of rationality. America actually has a 'statue of liberty' while Trumpers call enlightened people libtards. Home of the manipulated, slaves to the dollar.
 

Windlesham1

Established member
Actually, going back to an earlier point, the US healthcare system is one reason why most of the west laughs at US presidents. If they can't even fix that, what are they good for?
We just pity an America that claims to be first world yet looks like a Zimbabwe if it was owned by rich people. Comey Rule....don't forget. You need to look 'under the hood' at the GOP crime party. You do know Republicans have blocked every single attempt at universal healthcare don't you? Obama was badly treated by the criminal GOP party. GOP are the problem and a handful of elites own the US.
 
 
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