Brexit and the Consequences

Atilla

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At least there are some daring heroes still left in parliament who are prepared to put national interest before party and career. (y)

Any change to the current status quo with the Purplelites taking over the country is good imo.
 

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At least there are some daring heroes still left in parliament who are prepared to put national interest before party and career. (y)

Any change to the current status quo with the Purplelites taking over the country is good imo.
I would say personal interest over party and democracy, But hey ho she’s gone now..Just read also that the EMA arnt leaving the UK after all, something to do with a big building and a 25 year lease on it... ooops
 
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Atilla

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I would say personal interest over party and democracy, But hey ho she’s gone now..Just read also that the EMA arnt leaving the UK after all, something to do with a big building and a 25 year lease on it... ooops
Where have you heard that and do you have a link plz. Googling and can find no reference.

Why do you say personal interest? Most would say it's a high risk move going to nowhere with just 11 bodies?
 

counter_violent

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At least there are some daring heroes still left in parliament who are prepared to put national interest before party and career. (y)

Any change to the current status quo with the Purplelites taking over the country is good imo.
No, they have left the party for the same reason that the Labour MP's have left their party. All of them lost the argument and decided that they had nowhere to go but out. Think of it as a dummy spit or a tantrum, spoilt child, hissy fit. :LOL:
 

Atilla

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No, they have left the party for the same reason that the Labour MP's have left their party. All of them lost the argument and decided that they had nowhere to go but out. Think of it as a dummy spit or a tantrum, spoilt child, hissy fit. :LOL:
It ain't over yet dude?

People's vote on the menu! (y)
 

timsk

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These three won't be missed at all. They were almost certain to face deselection anyhow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47306022
I think you're right c_v.
I don't know anything about Heidi Allen, but I suspect Anna Soubry would be on a very sticky wicket for the reasons provided in this post.

Over the years, I've taken a particular interest in Sarah Wollaston (SW) as she's my constituency MP. When she was first elected, she replaced Anthony Steen (infamous for the 'Duck House' expenses scandal) - who had been the sitting MP forever. By comparison, she was a breath of fresh air: my wife and I met her not long after she joined parliament and we were both impressed. She came across as being the genuine article, aware of the failings of her predecessor and, seemingly, happy to be a back bench MP and uninterested in climbing the greasy pole to high office. She started to get regular spots on MSM, invariably talking about health and the NHS - something she's eminently qualified to do as she's a very experienced GP. So far, so good. What happens next is just my take on things - and I could be very wrong - SW herself would certainly say so . . .

My impression is that as she started to impress those that matter and, as her prominence grew, a switch flicked in her head and she thought to herself: 'You know what Sarah, you're actually pretty good at this politicking lark and, if you want to, you could be more than just a humble back bench MP'. She certainly caught David Cameron's eye before the referendum as a woman to watch as a future candidate for a ministerial position. And then came the referendum, at which point everything started to go pear shaped for SW. She started off supporting leave - presumably because that what she believed was the right thing to do. Then, mid way through campaigning, she jumped ships to the remain side based - as I recall - on the poster showing would-be queues of Turkish migrants coming into the UK. The cynic in me can't help but think that either that was a pre-planned stunt and/or it was to ensure she didn't blot her copybook with Cameron and put a stop to her career ambitions. And that would have worked a treat but for one little detail: remain lost the referendum and Cameron walked. SW must have been properly gutted. Since then she's gone all 'hard remain', openly campaigning for a 2nd referendum and, in so doing, has alienated large parts of her own constituency, most notably Brixham which is one of the largest fishing ports in the country. SW literally can't set foot in the town for fear of being thrown off the end of Brixham Breakwater.

So, all in all, a sorry tale and, as c_v says, almost certainly she won't retain her seat at the next general election - or bye-election - not that she'll do the honourable thing and step down as an MP to trigger one.
Tim.
PS: Attached WS' letter that I received today saying why she's left the Tories
 

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No, they have left the party for the same reason that the Labour MP's have left their party. All of them lost the argument and decided that they had nowhere to go but out. Think of it as a dummy spit or a tantrum, spoilt child, hissy fit. :LOL:
Just like the UK did with the EU:p
 
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Atilla

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Post event fact check!

In 2017, Mr Fox said the UK would be able to replicate 40 EU free trade deals by Brexit day.

But so far the department has only been able to finalise "continuity agreements" with seven of the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.


There are facts and then there is fictitious promises.

These agreements are not with the EU nations but with the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.

I recall somebody (Davies or Fox) stating these would be the easiest trade deals ever to be completed.


(n)(n)
 
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Atilla

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Timsk, CV, Mikey and the rest of you not so true blues anymore... Are you Blukip or Purple Tories? :love::love::love:
 
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Post event fact check!

In 2017, Mr Fox said the UK would be able to replicate 40 EU free trade deals by Brexit day.
But so far the department has only been able to finalise "continuity agreements" with seven of the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.


There are facts and then there is fictitious promises.

These agreements are not with the EU nations but with the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.

I recall somebody (Davies or Fox) stating these would be the easiest trade deals ever to be completed.


(n)(n)

You guys not a trade deal with Hutt River yet.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/hutt-river-founder-prince-leonard-dies-aged-93-20190213-p50xlc.html
 

Atilla

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timsk

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Timsk, CV, Mikey and the rest of you not so true blues anymore... Are you Blukip or Purple Tories? :love::love::love:
Hi At',
I am not a 'true blue' - never have been and seriously doubt I ever will be. Historically, I've always voted Green or Liberal. Not any more: I'm now politically disenfranchised as there's no party that sufficiently reflects my views. I was conned into voting Tory for the first time ever at the last election because, foolishly, I thought they would deliver Brexit. The breakaway independent - supposedly centrist group - might, potentially, have been of interest to me - save for their opposition to Brexit. To my mind, that makes them anti-democratic - so I can't support them. Besides which, it looks to me as if their love of the EU is just about their only common denominator. So, when this mess is eventually resolved, I doubt there will be sufficient political glue to hold them together. If they are to survive - let alone prosper - the ex-Lab/Con members respectively will have to abandon some basic principles that they've championed for many years. I can't see that happening.
Tim.