Brexit and the Consequences

Atilla

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Not a fan then ?
This man's solution to UK departure of the EU was to adopt a Norwegian model of EU,
Leave EU to concentrate on trade with Commonwealth,
If he is ever elected to be PM, he wants to scrap the unelected HoLs and replace with what?

Some people say he was a successful businessman and trader before he became MEP. He talks a good shop but have you really looked at what he wants to do, the how, the why?

I have asked before what has he delivered other than pure criticism and mayhem?

When he did finally realise his dream of winning the referendum which was an equeal SHOCK to him, what does he do?

Resigns post to say his tired and takes another talk the hind legs of a donkey LBC radio show.


I sincerely think people need to do a double-take on Farage. He is an opportunist. Not a leader. He stirs and delivers nothing.

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barjon

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Hi Mike - where's this article from?
Wherever it’s from it wasn’t written by a remainer :D
Germany is going to get very frustrated by the useless Socialist states sponging off them.
Then what ?
A crack in the door for the extreme rightists ?
The workshy Spanish could expand their old people's retirement in the sun opportunities with not much effort.
No, it’s a price worth them paying in return for the advantages they get from a hugely undervalued currency. Imagine what the Deutschmark / drachma exchange rate would be - I doubt it would be parity as the euro makes it.
 

cantagril

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I see that Project Fear has wheeled out Tony Blair today. With his reputation for telling the truth why would anyone take notice of what he has to say?
When the Brexit dust has started to settle and I mount my coup d'état ( a People's Coup, of course!) and we start the Great Cull of the Thieves and Wasters in Parliament, the roll of honour for the firing squads will have Tony Blair at the top of all the lists. I'd like to think that after a not too lengthy manhunt he'll be found lurking in a sewer, denounced by one of the people he pretended to speak for.

As they used to say "Shootin's too good for him".....I believe we still make good quality piano wire in what remains of our industrial areas.
 

timsk

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. . .The workshy Spanish could expand their old people's retirement in the sun opportunities with not much effort.
Hi Pat,
I think you're labouring under a common misapprehension about the Spanish being work shy. I think this stems mainly from from their midday siesta. Many of them work in conditions and temperatures that would - quite literally - kill me if I had to do it. (I'm thinking of construction work and other hard manual labour.) The Spanish are many things, but workshy ain't one of them. While I'm about it, another misapprehension is the 'mañana syndrome'. Completely false. I've travelled by train a lot in Spain and their service knocks spots of any UK provider - bang on time every time - and relatively cheap too.
Tim.
 
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I rather agree with this: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...ners-and-plan-for-no-deal/#comment-4331963398

"Ravenscar2 hours ago
this isn't my comment (below) but very much in tune with my thinking, it synopsizes the choice although, of course imo: there is no choice - but OUT!

Let’s make no mistake – with the clock ticking down to 29th March, we have finally arrived at an existential turning point for both the United Kingdom and the European Union. Talk of compromises and cross-party consensus and some kind of semantic fudge that will make the Brexit-negating Withdrawal Agreement pass the Commons at the third attempt is a painful distraction from harsh political and historic realities.


Both the UK and the EU still face a stark binary choice, whether all parties acknowledge it or not. Leave or Remain. Double or quits. In or out. Sitting on the Brexit fence while making the right noises to the right people, in the hope that this decision can be delayed or permanently taken off the political agenda,is an abdication of responsibility that will soon no longer be an option.
For the UK, the choice can be summarised as one between democracy and permanent second-class statehood; freedom to hire and fire the people who make the laws we have to obey and pay for, or the triumph of pessimism due to the mistaken and craven belief that we aren’t mature and sensible enough to run our own affairs, and must cleave to a supranational body with minimal democratic legitimacy because we are too insignificant to defend our right to democratic self-government.


Remainers trying to subvert the referendum result by locking the UK into the EU, even as we are supposedly leaving it, have completely missed the point of the Leave vote. It was a vote of confidence in Great Britain and its institutions, flawed or otherwise. It was a vote by optimists, by people who believe in the regenerative, sometimes messy but always liberating, principle of democracy – which is that you make your own mistakes, and if you don’t like the way the ship of state is run, you chuck out the government and give someone else a turn at the wheel. There are ups and downs, but you always have a choice. And that choice is precious.

People across the world have died in countless wars to be able to have such a choice. It is sad indeed that many of the guardians of this ancient, disruptive, rambunctious democracy of ours are so afraid of it that they dare not stand up for it. Indeed, they would rather abolish it and have us ruled by an unelected European Commission, which continues to assume with Ancien Régime arrogance that the British people can be made to vote as many times as necessary until they sign up to the European Project. One might say when hell freezes over, but one hates to employ such clichés. Except when they are true.

Staying in a customs union with the EU, accepting close regulatory alignment with the EU, joining an EU army with imperial ambitions (as outlined recently by the French), allowing the EU to decide on vast areas of policy-making – as the Withdrawal Agreement does – is not only not Brexit and a failure to deliver on the referendum result. It is to collude in the death of functioning, open, plural democracy, which is the only safeguard against dictatorship.

So the choice is clear: a Brexit that restores supreme law-making powers to the UK, or the triumph of technocracy and the enforcement by a foreign court of perpetual protectionist mediocrity, to ensure that no member state of the EU is ever independent enough to question the power exercised by an unelected Politburo in Brussels, whose mission is to create the United States of Europe, by fair means or foul.

One country’s upsurge of democracy, of course, can be another’s constitutional catastrophe. For the EU, Brexit is no less of an existential issue. That the second largest financial contributor and the oldest democracy in the EU voted to leave is a damning indictment of the political failure that has marked the European Project in the last twenty years. The fury and insults heaped upon Britain after the referendum testify to the total incomprehension of the EU’s political class when confronted with legitimate dissent.

And that nothing has changed since 23rd June 2016 is evidenced by the ludicrous stories peddled by Project Fear in recent days… Apparently the Queen is to be evacuated if we leave the EU on WTO terms. Given that Her Majesty produces much of her own food on her own land, one wonders where she might go to avoid “the cliff-edge” if the Roquefort doesn’t show up in time for the cheese course. We hear that a third of UK businesses are thinking of relocating to the EU, only to see that the poll conducted by the IoD was of a tiny percentage of its members. Another headline claims that a majority of Chief Finance Officers believe that the UK will be worse off after Brexit – a majority of just one hundred CFOs surveyed by Deloitte. None of these surveys takes into account that a sovereign Britain can take whatever legislative and fiscal measures it deems fit to ensure that goods flow into this country unfettered and that our economy continues not only to function normally, but to thrive.

This acceleration of Project Fear in the media strengthens the belief that there will be no meaningful concessions on the Withdrawal Agreement before the next debate in the Commons. Indeed, EU leaders have repeatedly said that they will not reopen the legal text. Michel Barnier therefore has no mandate other than to listen politely to the Prime Minister and say no.
The EU will try until the bitter end to ram its appalling deal down our throats, because the slightest sign that it is willing to agree a pragmatic, mutually beneficial trade relationship with a former member state will be seen as a green light for other eurosceptic members to flex their muscles and stand up to the Franco-German juggernaut that intends to sweep them up in its imperial embrace.


The ‘Malthouse Compromise’ recently floated by a group of Tory MPs is likely to be shot down in flames – if indeed it is even tabled for discussion by Theresa May. Whatever she may
propose to break the impasse, negotiators in Brussels must cling to their position – that a centralised technocratic EU superstate is the ineluctable future.


It is, of course, the past: an attempt to create by red tape and judicial takeover what has not been possible to achieve through centuries of warfare. But it is hard-wired into the EU’s DNA, and it is a question of survival. For them a no-deal Brexit will be preferable to any ‘deal’ that fails to put Britain on the naughty step and keep it there until it begs to be let back into the
nursery.


To EU or not to EU, that remains the question. "

Hmm, I can read some of my influence in that [;)] .......actually, these are the words of a rather articulate and thoughtful civil servant - writing in Brexit Central - link
 

cantagril

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Whatever your views on Brexit the fact is that UK economy still grew faster in second half of 2018, than Germany, France and Italy, but hey Brexit uncertainty blah....
10:02 AM - 11 Feb 2019

Sooooo.... the economy grew because we're still in the EU?....or because we're on the point of leaving the EU?....or it has nothing at all to do with being in or out of the EU??:p
 

Signalcalc

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Germany is going to get very frustrated by the useless Socialist states sponging off them.
Then what ?
A crack in the door for the extreme rightists ?
The workshy Spanish could expand their old people's retirement in the sun opportunities with not much effort.
I'm beginning to think that the left/right terms are becoming less relevant when talking Globalists vs Populists. Just the same way that it has become irrelevant to label a Leaver as left/right, as new ideas and new thinking cuts across party lines.

I don't believe there is a 'far right' or a 'far left' waiting to take over control of governments as the MSM would have you believe, I believe there is a new style of politics emerging that doesn't conform to the mainstream labels. New governments will not consist of extreme anything, they will consist of ordinary voters who want change.

You can't go calling people racist, nazis, violent, xenophobic, fascist when the vast majority are peace loving, democratic voters who will never be involved in violent uprising, racism, bigotry or anything else that MSM like to throw around, most people wish to change regimes through peaceful democratic means.

The MSM are complicit in stirring up hatred, encouraging violence and wars, creating divisiveness and promoting what appears to be a Globalistic agenda.

When people are not happy and vote and demonstrate (peaceably) then there can be no problems unless manufactured, if governments change on the back of it, so be it, but to be using identity politics to separate and label ordinary, hard working tax payers is so yesterday and so immature.

New thinking is needed going forwards, nice to see many people are finally 'getting it' thanks to Brexit.

Change? Bring it on!
 
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