Brexit and the Consequences

[counter_violent]

Italian elections !

The most interesting thing going on in Europe currently are the Italian elections.

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The presence in Rome this weekend of Steve Bannon, right-wing populist architect of Donald Trump's White House campaign, was an indication of the stakes.

Roberto D'Alimonte of Rome's LUISS University said such an outcome would be "catastrophic" for the markets. But he said the 5-Stars will have to decide if they're going to join the right or the left if they're going to move from their longtime perch in the opposition to actually help govern.

"This will be the moment of truth," he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/04/as-italy-votes-europe-fears-populist-euroskeptic-gains.html

 

[Atilla]

Why do you say this Atilla?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...conomy-set-to-be-best-in-decade-idUSKBN1DE17N

 

[mpups]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...conomy-set-to-be-best-in-decade-idUSKBN1DE17N

yeah a solid performance in the ezone, IMF not projecting an overtaking of the US over the next 2yrs though

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2018/01/11/world-economic-outlook-update-january-2018

(table at bottom of page)

 

[counter_violent]

8. BREAKING: ITALY FIRST EXIT POLL
BERLUSCONI 13-16%
LEGA 13-16%
5 STARS 29-32%
PD 20,5-23,5%
LEU (left) 3-5%
#ItalyElection2018

 

[Oscar Reed]

8. BREAKING: ITALY FIRST EXIT POLL
BERLUSCONI 13-16%
LEGA 13-16%
5 STARS 29-32%
PD 20,5-23,5%
LEU (left) 3-5%
#ItalyElection2018

Markets like the result.
Brexit is history.

 

[sminicooper]

Markets like the result.
Brexit is history.

First of the dominoes? If Brussels have got any sense they'll now start talking sensibly with us about Brexit.

 

[counter_violent]

What a complete farce this EU project is. Member countries cannot agree among themselves on what the EU is there for. The voters in each country are at polar opposites on what the EU is about. Border security is non existent and the whole place is being overrun.

Remoaners over here can't make a case for why we should stay in. Yet they have no intention of backing down and uniting behind policy to move forward.

So, i'd just like to say, that there is zero chance that Brexiters will be backing down or compromising in any way.

 

[Atilla]

My my you Brexiteers are so easilly excitable.

FGS what have they achieved exactly?

We had the same with the Austrian Dutch and German elections. Oh and the Greek and Irish vote too.

The only difference being when peeps confronted with hard realities of life outside the EU going back to old days dawns on them most get a reality check.

What have these parties delivered at the moment other than a few promises much like the Farages and Moggies of our world. Much hot air.


Geessshhh you ain't seen noting yet, do settle down and contain your selves before you wet your pants.

 

[sminicooper]

Sadly, I fear much slow down and a painful stepping off the pedestal until the WW2 bods eventually expire and get relinquished with a brand new young and brave Brit to restore our position in Europe.

It does seem to be a fairly common view among Remainers that all you need to do is wait until the GOGs (grumpy old gits) fall off their perch and the remaining brain power will see us all right. I've long thought that this idea is fundamentally flawed since many of the GOGs were themselves once upon a time, the forward-thinking and internationalist centre politics type of people so admired by the Europhiles. Today's Remainers are tomorrow's GOGs. (You know what they say: if you're not a socialist at 20 then you haven't got a heart; if you're still one at 30 you haven't got a head).

Another nail in the coffin of "it's all the GOGs fault": take a look at the Italian Five-Star results and you will see that they did very well in areas with a high percentage of under 30 year olds. And this is starting to look like a trend.

I think that we are seeing a significant change in politics. The EU has failed the younger generation and they've had enough.

 

[Atilla]

It does seem to be a fairly common view among Remainers that all you need to do is wait until the GOGs (grumpy old gits) fall off their perch and the remaining brain power will see us all right. I've long thought that this idea is fundamentally flawed since many of the GOGs were themselves once upon a time, the forward-thinking and internationalist centre politics type of people so admired by the Europhiles. Today's Remainers are tomorrow's GOGs. (You know what they say: if you're not a socialist at 20 then you haven't got a heart; if you're still one at 30 you haven't got a head).

Another nail in the coffin of "it's all the GOGs fault": take a look at the Italian Five-Star results and you will see that they did very well in areas with a high percentage of under 30 year olds. And this is starting to look like a trend.

I think that we are seeing a significant change in politics. The EU has failed the younger generation and they've had enough.

First CV now you. What has domestic policy gripes have to do with EU.

You too need to understand what you really want as Brexit will not give you safety from Corbyn coming to power.

You lot really confused about Brexit saving you from socialism. Personnaly I feel it will expedite a Cornyn win.


Side question how is it that you are a GOG surrounded by your beautiful pictures. Get out an have some fresh air :cheesy:

 

[sminicooper]

First CV now you. What has domestic policy gripes have to do with EU.
- I wasn't trying to make that point - so apols if that's what it seemed. I was just saying that the young of today are tomorrows GOGs (and also YGOGs - Younger GOGs).

You too need to understand what you really want as Brexit will not give you safety from Corbyn coming to power.
The danger from Corbyn will be there regardless of Brexit. He's just an opportunistic politician who will sell his soul to gain power.

You lot really confused about Brexit saving you from socialism. Personnaly I feel it will expedite a Cornyn win.
Never said it would. Sure, the EU is a socialistic organisation, but as we've seen it doesn't wash with the UK electorate and it would also seem, it 's starting not to with the EU's.

Side question how is it that you are a GOG surrounded by your beautiful pictures. Get out an have some fresh air :cheesy:

As a YGOG I indulge in my filthy capitalist habit of acquiring (what is to me at least, and probably not to the connoisseurs) some fine art. Corbyn would like to stop us all here making a few bob with skills and mindset that he just doesn't understand - that's why I like him so much

My simple point in all of this is that the world is changing and that we need to recognise it.

 

[counter_violent]

As a YGOG I indulge in my filthy capitalist habit of acquiring (what is to me at least, and probably not to the connoisseurs) some fine art. Corbyn would like to stop us all here making a few bob with skills and mindset that he just doesn't understand - that's why I like him so much

My simple point in all of this is that the world is changing and that we need to recognise it.

Have China and Russia not rejected socialism, communism, marxism. I thought they had, but maybe it was just a dream.

 

[Atilla]

Have China and Russia not rejected socialism, communism, marxism. I thought they had, but maybe it was just a dream.

Brexiteers are true to their colours that's for sure.

We've moved on from fighting illusionary enemies what with the World Wars Churchill to now fighting socialism communism and Marx's ideology which some can argue is what Brexit as the outcome is really what it is all about. Uneven distribution of EU wealth horded by SE Englanders.

Once again I'm dumb struck as to just how retarded sentiment on the street is.

Same as the US of A, red necks voting for Trump, Brexiteers and your Northern labourer voting for Moggie sorts who are only interesting accumulation of more skewed income and wealth in the hands of the few.

The debate and fundamentals of the argument are really crazy for an intelligent alien who may have accidentally taken a wrong turn and finds it self on planet Earth.

I mean SuperMC sounds like that lil ol sweet lady in Clapham on Sea who'd like Clapham to be like the 60s and SMC fighting communism and having the need for that self righteous finger pointing suggesting we were right we told you so.

Then on the other hand there is BRIC countries led by China and Russia to a large extent tweaked their economies and are doing it their way as Frank Sinatra sang once upon a blue moon. Russia and China nothing like US or UK. Or EU for that matter.


All crazy stuff.


All this stuff is really deflection because I have no idea why we've moved on to socialism, communism and Marxism when the debate is what are the Brexiteers going to do about Ellesmere Port and recent announcement from Vauxhall chief.

By the way for all you Brexit fans out there, that includes Peugeot and Citroen production too.

In the absence of a deal Nissan and Renault will also follow.


I dunno perhaps there are a far more GOGs out there then one might imagine who are upset about whatever and the Brexit silver bullet should make them all happy again.

 

[sminicooper]

I mean SuperMC sounds like that lil ol sweet lady in Clapham on Sea who'd like Clapham to be like the 60s and SMC fighting communism and having the need for that self righteous finger pointing suggesting we were right we told you so.

God help us - NO! Clapham was an awful place in the 60s. No need to fight communism - Maggie & Ronnie won that battle years ago. But we were right and we did tell you so.

Been called many things but never a "lil ol sweet lady" - I'm obviously coming over too nice. Note: must be more aggressive and remember what it was like fighting the Cold War.

 

[Atilla]

God help us - NO! Clapham was an awful place in the 60s. No need to fight communism - Maggie & Ronnie won that battle years ago. But we were right and we did tell you so.

Been called many things but never a "lil ol sweet lady" - I'm obviously coming over too nice. Note: must be more aggressive and remember what it was like fighting the Cold War.

You should be a politician old boy... :cheesy:

Eheeemmmm skirted nicely around Ellesmere Port and recent announcement from Vauxhall chief???


:whistling

Spot the difference!!!

 

[sminicooper]

You should be a politician old boy... :cheesy:

Eheeemmmm skirted nicely around Ellesmere Port and recent announcement from Vauxhall chief???
:whistling

Agree that no one should welcome that news but on the other hand Vauxhall/GM have been running down operations in this country for many years – isn't there generally an overcapacity of production in Europe in the car trade?

That's why the ideological determination of the EU to be a socialist state is so damaging: as an economic union without all the political baggage it could have been so much more successful, and the reasons for a referendum would probably never have arisen. In the main, it's the politics of the EU that I dislike.

And thanks for the tip about an alternative career: I'm obviously slipping into bad habits through too much exposure to our glorious leaders. I think I'll stick to trading – at least the spreadsheet tells me honestly where I stand.

 

[counter_violent]

Agree that no one should welcome that news but on the other hand Vauxhall/GM have been running down operations in this country for many years – isn't there generally an overcapacity of production in Europe in the car trade?

That's why the ideological determination of the EU to be a socialist state is so damaging: as an economic union without all the political baggage it could have been so much more successful, and the reasons for a referendum would probably never have arisen. In the main, it's the politics of the EU that I dislike.

And thanks for the tip about an alternative career: I'm obviously slipping into bad habits through too much exposure to our glorious leaders. I think I'll stick to trading – at least the spreadsheet tells me honestly where I stand.

I expect there is over production, especially German stuff with dodgy software.

Yep, politics of the EU is cobblers and so are the finances and lets not forget the disaster that is the Euro, which we have been telling them about since the early 80's.

Free movement = how to pi55 everyone off with one gigantic clusterfek of a dumb policy.

Whatever you do, don't mention the lack of secure borders.
I mentioned it once....think I got away with it.

 

[Atilla]

Agree that no one should welcome that news but on the other hand Vauxhall/GM have been running down operations in this country for many years – isn't there generally an overcapacity of production in Europe in the car trade?

That's why the ideological determination of the EU to be a socialist state is so damaging: as an economic union without all the political baggage it could have been so much more successful, and the reasons for a referendum would probably never have arisen. In the main, it's the politics of the EU that I dislike.

I think you only enjoy talking politics and not quite with the idea of production, jobs and creative thinking. Fall back into your comfort zone about EU being a socialist state. So you suggesting Russia and China are now a capitalistic state and EU a socialist??? I think you need your batteries or dipers changed.
I really do. :cheesy:

And thanks for the tip about an alternative career: I'm obviously slipping into bad habits through too much exposure to our glorious leaders. I think I'll stick to trading – at least the spreadsheet tells me honestly where I stand.

Stick to trading yes. That is the best thing you've said all day.



You are an exemplary display to all our laymen following political leaders who only talk about politics who really don't have a clue about manufacturing or industry.

Very sad and feel very disappointed how someone can dismiss literally 000s of jobs consigning so many people to a life on the dole in search of some whishy washy slogans about taking back control and sovereignty only for Parliament to waste time and effort debating EU laws, directives and regulation in parliament when the correct place of representation and discussion is the EU parliament by MEPs nominated by our Parliament to represent UK.

 

[Atilla]

I expect there is over production, especially German stuff with dodgy software.

Yep, politics of the EU is cobblers and so are the finances and lets not forget the disaster that is the Euro, which we have been telling them about since the early 80's.

Free movement = how to pi55 everyone off with one gigantic clusterfek of a dumb policy.

Whatever you do, don't mention the lack of secure borders.
I mentioned it once....think I got away with it.

Nothing to stop UK hiring more custom border officers.

Single currency has nothing to do with UK. Don't even know why you mention it as it should be to UK's advantage if it's such a bad deal. Hardly an argument. More finger wagging. How I told you so ho ho ho!

How is UK borders going to be any more securer when we are out of the EU. Free movement of labour is only going to lead to skills shortage and brain drain.


All talk and much hype. EU nationals leaving of their own accord. Your problem is with migrants from commonwealth and war torn countries.


If you opened your eyes and clean out your ears and go on a diet of Omega 3's you brain might function a little better.

 

[counter_violent]

Nothing to stop UK hiring more custom border officers.

Single currency has nothing to do with UK. Don't even know why you mention it as it should be to UK's advantage if it's such a bad deal. Hardly an argument. More finger wagging. How I told you so ho ho ho!

Yeah, the same knobheads that advocated joining the Euro are the same ones telling us Brexit is a mistake

How is UK borders going to be any more securer when we are out of the EU. Free movement of labour is only going to lead to skills shortage and brain drain.

Yeah, that's why the Italians, the Dutch, the French, the Germans, the Austrians voted for the populists. Because the EU has secure external borders.

We're gonna build a great big beautiful wall. I know how to build walls.
Good, the majority of people will get a pay rise then.

All talk and much hype. EU nationals leaving of their own accord. Your problem is with migrants from commonwealth and war torn countries.

My problem is not with skilled people from anywhere. My problem is with over capacity, mass unskilled unqualified labour pool, which serves only to keep everyone down.

If you opened your eyes and clean out your ears and go on a diet of Omega 3's you brain might function a little better.