Brexit and the Consequences

[sminicooper]

Yeah total scumbag. Former lawyer, so clearly well versed in scumbaggery.

I think the elitists and their apologists are going to get a rough ride soon, both in the UK and Europe. We can't be too far away now from escalation and eventual collapse.

Some EU members are just starting to wake up to the fact that very soon they won't be getting any of our Red Bus money! Some of them are even suggesting, heaven forbid, that the EU should trim its budget – that won't go down well with the socialist project architects who quite brazenly and unsympathetically just seem to think that it will be no problem for members to increase their contributions – they really don't get it do they? You never know – for the first time in its history we might even see a set of audited and properly signed off accounts! Now that Merkel appears to be on her way, the EU is in for a very rocky time. But at least they will be able to blame it on the Brits.

 

[cantagril]

Yeah total scumbag. Former lawyer, so clearly well versed in scumbaggery.

Question: What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?

Answer: One's a scum-sucking bottom feeder... and the other's a fish

 

[counter_violent]

Don't know if this was ever posted.

Class act.

 

[Atilla]

Don't know if this was ever posted.

Class act.

 

[Atilla]

Enjoy

 

[counter_violent]

Have you checked the latest odds?
Jezza the unelectable slipping away
Moggmentum on the rise.

Unsurprising really, eh wot.

 

[mike.]

Well, at least it’s perfectly clear where Labour stand on Brexit...:whistling


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...ella-creasy-clash-over-labour-s-brexit-policy

 

[sminicooper]

Enjoy

I take it you're not a fan of JRM then?

The Chancellor's grant to Wentworth is certainly a better deed than the one by the post-war socialist government that dug a coal mine in its back garden out of sheer bloody-mindedness spite!

Of course, that joke cartoon fails to mention that Wentworth is a Grade 1 country House of national importance, with landscaping by Humphrey Repton - one of history's most famous gardeners. Now owned by a preservation trust the connection with JRM's spouse is purely historical.

I don't suppose Jezza and his Communist and Marxist mates will like it either!

 

[Atilla]

I take it you're not a fan of JRM then?

The Chancellor's grant to Wentworth is certainly a better deed than the one by the post-war socialist government that dug a coal mine in its back garden out of sheer bloody-mindedness spite!

Of course, that joke cartoon fails to mention that Wentworth is a Grade 1 country House of national importance, with landscaping by Humphrey Repton - one of history's most famous gardeners. Now owned by a preservation trust the connection with JRM's spouse is purely historical.

I don't suppose Jezza and his Communist and Marxist mates will like it either!

What on earth ever gave you the idea that I'm not a fan. Can't imagine for the life of me.

I thought he was rich enough to afford maintenance him self. Key question I would ask is if the property of what you say as being National importance belongs to National Trust or his estate. Key distinction to take note of would you not say?

Do you think it's reasonable that he cuts benefits for the needy whilst accepting government charity for maintenance of his estate?

 

[Atilla]

Anyhow - enough about the silly snot...

What is important is shortage of doctors and GP surgeries in Newport Cardiff.

Very sad. Very very sad indeed.

So much time, effort and money is spent looking after the elderly in contrast, such a young precious life ends prematurely from pure lack of resources and prioritisation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-43196732


How is Brexit going to sort these out, I have no idea.

 

[counter_violent]

Anyhow - enough about the silly snot...

What is important is shortage of doctors and GP surgeries in Newport Cardiff.

Very sad. Very very sad indeed.

So much time, effort and money is spent looking after the elderly in contrast, such a young precious life ends prematurely from pure lack of resources and prioritisation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-43196732


How is Brexit going to sort these out, I have no idea.

Another BS story where a little common sense could have gone a long way. The doctor who turned the patient away need not have taken that action. She could simply have seen the next patient in the queue and seen the latecomer out of turn. The fact is it was a hastily arranged emergency appointment, so to turn her away without even seeing her was a grave error, One which surely warrants further action.

Lo and behold, Dr Rowe received a warning which will stay on her record for 5 yrs. The GMC held a meeting in private and issued the sanction without explanation.

Not quite good enough I don't think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39101581

Oh it gets even better. Dr Rowe was " a specialist in safeguarding children" at the surgery and had already been informed by the school that the child was at risk.

Dr Rowe's practice had been warned by a paediatrician that Ellie-May was at risk of a life-threatening asthma attack.

She was sent home from school early on 26 January, 2015 because teachers were concerned her asthma was "deteriorating".

 

[Atilla]

Another BS story where a little common sense could have gone a long way. The doctor who turned the patient away need not have taken that action. She could simply have seen the next patient in the queue and seen the latecomer out of turn. The fact is it was a hastily arranged emergency appointment, so to turn her away without even seeing her was a grave error, One which surely warrants further action.

Read this see the date for the article. Mistakes and accidents will happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423

Survey of UK GPs
25%

Percentage of GPs definitely leaving the service before 60

30% Will probably leave

32% Probably not leaving

6% Definitely not leaving

6% Don't know

SOURCE: ComRes survey of 1,004 GPs in January 2015 (Percentages have been rounded)


One of us has a case of... but who remains to be seen???

 

[sminicooper]

Anyhow - enough about the silly snot...

What is important is shortage of doctors and GP surgeries in Newport Cardiff.

Very sad. Very very sad indeed.

So much time, effort and money is spent looking after the elderly in contrast, such a young precious life ends prematurely from pure lack of resources and prioritisation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-43196732

How is Brexit going to sort these out, I have no idea.

Best ask Jezza. NHS is run in Wales under the devolved Welsh administration and compares pretty poorly with the rest of UK – which in turn is certainly not "the envy of the world".

The NHS will always need more money but that's not the only or even main problem: it's the system that's wrong, and it needs to be reformed in the way things are done on the continent where outcome per £ is significantly better than we achieve.

 

[counter_violent]

Read this see the date for the article. Mistakes and accidents will happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423

Survey of UK GPs
25%

Percentage of GPs definitely leaving the service before 60

30% Will probably leave

32% Probably not leaving

6% Definitely not leaving

6% Don't know

SOURCE: ComRes survey of 1,004 GPs in January 2015 (Percentages have been rounded)


One of us has a case of... but who remains to be seen???

I don't suppose you bothered reading the mail's article.

I've no idea why you think that highlighting shortages has some bearing or excuses that particular doctors behavior.

It's obvious that she is grossly negligent and yet she seems to have got away with a slapped wrist, a six month paid holiday and an undisclosed warning from the GMC who decided to hold a disciplinary meeting in private.

Couldn't make this sh1t up. She should be facing charges in court and the GMC should have struck her off. It's that clear cut.

 

[Atilla]

All I can see is that we will continue to face shortage of GPs, Doctors and Nurses with our aging population.

Cutting bursaries for training nurses, having ridiculously long working hours for junior doctors and limiting GP's coming from outside the UK without replenishing with new trained doctors the situation will only get worse.

Whilst not having enough skilled workers we will also be seeing existing employees retiring or just leaving early as working conditions are so bad with under funding and the rest.


https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783

10% of doctors and 7% of nurses are EU Nationals. If you look at stats numbers coming/joining from EU are falling whilst those leaving are increasing.



What ever you feel is the solution I'm sure you are right. However, the question remains how does Brexit help with this situation?

 

[sminicooper]

What on earth ever gave you the idea that I'm not a fan. Can't imagine for the life of me.
Attilla – I've got you rumbled now and I know why you like JRM so much! It is because of course, that he's just like you and me – the only difference is (certainly in my case) he's made a load more dosh from the markets than we have. But at heart he's just a trader. (He owns half a hedge fund).

I thought he was rich enough to afford maintenance him self. Key question I would ask is if the property of what you say as being National importance belongs to National Trust or his estate. Key distinction to take note of would you not say?
Certainly! And he really is rich enough to pay for all the damage done by socialist government punitive measures that were even deprecated by the local union and mining community who saw the estate owners as being model employers. But of course, that had no effect with Manny Shinwell – that great class-war warrior.

As for your key question : neither National Trust (they turned it down because it didn't come with a wad of money) nor JRM have anything to do with Wentworth. It was sold off as a particularly worthless asset and was only rescued by the Wentworth Woodhouse preservation trust – so that ordinary people like you and me can visit and see worthwhile examples of art, architecture and landscape.

Do you think it's reasonable that he cuts benefits for the needy whilst accepting government charity for maintenance of his estate?
That would certainly be most unreasonable if it were true. But Wentworth ain't his (or hers)! That would have been a bit like Champagne Socialism wouldn't you say?

Forget the class war – if/when Jezza gets the keys to Number 10 he'll do it for us.

 

[Signalcalc]

Desperation is setting in here, it must be something to do with Corbyns Brexit backpedaling! Divert away by trying to conflate an individual doctors gross negligence with a poorly run NHS run by a left wing govt with a growing elderly population and a tiny survey of well paid doctors with nice pensions that want to retire before 60 from 2015 and then mix in another small percentage of a minority percentage of EU leavers from the NHS and not forgetting poor working conditions of course. Then asking how Brexit will help the situation.

Wow my head is spinning trying to put those links together.

Nope can’t do it, so it just looks like scraping the barrel to me in an attempt to cover more lefty mistakes and a poor show by Corbyn.

Oh and conveniently forget to mention the pressures on public services caused by uncontrolled mass migration, for the many, not the few, how very droll.

Next?

 

[counter_violent]

All I can see is that we will continue to face shortage of GPs, Doctors and Nurses with our aging population.

Cutting bursaries for training nurses, having ridiculously long working hours for junior doctors and limiting GP's coming from outside the UK without replenishing with new trained doctors the situation will only get worse.

Whilst not having enough skilled workers we will also be seeing existing employees retiring or just leaving early as working conditions are so bad with under funding and the rest.


https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783

10% of doctors and 7% of nurses are EU Nationals. If you look at stats numbers coming/joining from EU are falling whilst those leaving are increasing.



What ever you feel is the solution I'm sure you are right. However, the question remains how does Brexit help with this situation?

Nothing to do with Brexit and I couldn't give a toss if EU nationals want to move on. The fact is that EU nationals have had unrestricted access to the UK because of EU membership arrangements with the UK. Just stating the bleedin obvious I know, but when the UK leaves the EU and terminates the FOM then EU nationals will have to compete with the rest of the world for access to jobs in the UK. What is the problem with this?

As for the UK, this and future govt's will indeed need to train up more nationals to fill skills shortages. This is what Brexit voters voted for isn't it !

 

[hhiusa]

Well, at least it’s perfectly clear where Labour stand on Brexit...:whistling


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...ella-creasy-clash-over-labour-s-brexit-policy

Are you Labour Mike? I feel like you might be more Tory. Regardless, I still can't see a major differences in stances.

I really like this spirited debate between Labour & Conservatives. I found that one meme of Nigel by A especially funny.

Your Conservatives aren't conservative. Basically, your politics have always been the choice between limousine liberal Hillary Clinton and socialist liberal Bernie Sanders. Guess which party is analogous to which! Lol.

 

[Atilla]

Forget the class war – if/when Jezza gets the keys to Number 10 he'll do it for us.

As for your key question : neither National Trust (they turned it down because it didn't come with a wad of money) nor JRM have anything to do with Wentworth. It was sold off as a particularly worthless asset and was only rescued by the Wentworth Woodhouse preservation trust – so that ordinary people like you and me can visit and see worthwhile examples of art, architecture and landscape.

Knowing you to be a fair and standup body of integrity dear SuperMini I can only assume you are not quite clued up on creative accounting as perhaps other hedge fund managers or tax avoiders out there in the big wide world of UK.

If the NT turned down the property than there can be one of two reasons; property is not a national treasure bearing any significance or importance as you suggest but one of many stately homes dotted up and down the country.

The other one is likely to be that being a grade 1 listed building, maintenance and upkeep must conform to strict rules and cost of bringing it up to reasonable state of repairs and public access more than likely not viable for NT.

Then there is the other side of the coin you also prefer to ignore. Giving away assets as charity to a registered trust are all forms of tax avoidance, loopholes call it what you will. Not all trusts are in public interest. I would question and challenge the integrity of your man as if he was a true Brit with national interest at heart, I fail to see why he would walk away from our esteemed and highly valued National Trust (which I was a member of for good many years whilst our children were growing up).



Another point is that you keep referring to Marxism as you do to Churchill and really must point you in the right direction showing you the way out of your cave.

fwiw we are in the year 2018, February 27th Tuesday morning. :cheesy: