Brexit and the Consequences

[hhiusa]

Hi trendie,
I think there are two groups who supposedly fit into this category:
1. Youngsters who were not old enough to vote in 2016 but have since come of age. Every single one of these is a remainer, apparently.
2. The millions upon millions of people who voted leave last time because they were too stupid or too gullible (or both) to vote the 'right' way. Presumably, their intelligence quotient hasn't risen in the last three years but, so long as they remain gullible they may be persuaded by Project Fear on Steroids to vote the 'correct' way next time. Correction, I do of course mean be persuaded by facts and simple logic.

There is a nominal third group comprising the oldies that have died since 2016 but, by virtue of being old and largely senile (they must have been to have voted leave), they don't really count as 'people'. Put that lot into the wash and what comes out the other end is a 'People's Vote'.

Tim.

The vote on MV2 again will determine no deal Brexit right? Why are they tabling all these debates?

 

[barjon]

I agree, let free speech prevail

Just cos Brexiteers don't like it, well tough, we all have our days

I would like to know the proportion of the 3M that could be determined to be valid voters given that the numbers have risen so rapidly in such a short period of time, given that there are a good proportion of foreign signatures, this reeks of corruption and interference , therefore I declare it invalid, what is really telling is the way MSM are promoting it.

Keep it going chaps, nothing to lose, information and insight to gain.

Well they want your name and address and e-mail (your vote comes from a link they send you in the e-mail) so I guess it’s partly protected and avoids double voting. I’d need some stronger evidence than your scent of reek to call it phoney

 

[barjon]

re: Peoples Vote

I still dont get the "Peoples Vote" thing.
A referendum was called. Everybody who could vote, voted. Or chose not to.

What group of people would vote in a "Peoples Vote" that were denied a vote in the referendum?

(I am a remainer, but since the call was to exit the EU, so be it. And damn the consequences.)

Well, it’s like this, trendie. When we have an election and vote in a conservative/ labour/libdem/monster raving loony party we do not say that’s it for evermore. No, we have another go after a few years and make a fresh assessment based on how well the government has done, whether circumstances have changed to make their platform less attractive (or others more attractive) and we cast our vote. Most died in the wool party adherents never change their mind but there’s a large pool of uncommitted (floating voters) who very often change their minds as well as a lot of newly eligible voters. So, why wouldn’t you do the same for referendums?

It wouldn’t even be a remote thought if the damn politicians had done their job and reached a concensus to enable us to depart on time. I think the term “people’s vote” is just to distinguish it from those madcap politicians !!

 

[Atilla]

I do not understand why when ever any reasonable question or doubt is raised there is an onslaught of we've had the vote let's get on with it cry. It's the will of the people init guv?

What does anyone lose if another second opinion is sought given such a complex and intense decision we are looking at with such severity of impact across all walks of life, industry and geography?

I mean what will the leavers lose simply clarifying positions.

Nobody would buy a car like this based on promises from Mr crafty politician would they? Surely not without seeing it, trying a test drive or simply just sitting in it.

The belligerent way Brexiteers are quite happy to rough shot over riding any due caution or dilligence as if they have a carte blanche cheque to do as they wish from now on to the point of requesting all MPs who represent leavers should resign their seats as well is just absolutely shocking behaviour and conduct.

Other than time what is the cost of having new leader elections coupled with national elections on the will of the people?

Will of the people will still be kicking around. This will of the people will not simply just pmppphhhhh and evaporate. No I'm sure it won't as we'll have Farage reminding us until thy kingdom come.

Why are Brexiteers so hell bent on shutting down any debate including Parliament, just based on some ill thought out and purely conducted referendum that was incredibly close as constitutional referendums go?


Has Mr Reason left the UK?

 

[timsk]

. . . So, why wouldn’t you do the same for referendums?

That's all well and good Jon - but don't you think we ought to implement the first one before having another one! ;-)

It wouldn’t even be a remote thought if the damn politicians had done their job and reached a concensus to enable us to depart on time. I think the term “people’s vote” is just to distinguish it from those madcap politicians !!

There's a remainer who posts on YouTube I quite like who's in favour of a second referendum, but instead of calling it a 'People's Vote' he calls it a 'Ratification Referendum'. To be fair to him, that's miles better than a 'People's Vote' which, as trendie rightly points out, is nonsense.
Tim.

 

[timsk]

The vote on MV2 again will determine no deal Brexit right? Why are they tabling all these debates?

Gawd knows hhiusa. I can only assume that they're suffering from a collective outbreak of HCS. (Headless Chicken Syndrome.) The serous answer (that the MPs themselves give) is that if they can't unite around Mrs. May's deal, then they need to find something that they can unite around. Holding these 'indicative votes' as I think they're called is a way of achieving that. Their problem though is that they may be able to reach broad agreement around something, but if that something is anything other than the existing Withdrawal Agreement (which they've rejected twice) then the EU will simply say 'go whistle'.
Tim.

 

[counter_violent]

Well they want your name and address and e-mail (your vote comes from a link they send you in the e-mail) so I guess it’s partly protected and avoids double voting. I’d need some stronger evidence than your scent of reek to call it phoney

The map is far more interesting than the numbers. It shows us where all the numpties democracy deniers live.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584

 

[barjon]

That's all well and good Jon - but don't you think we ought to implement the first one before having another one! ;-)


There's a remainer who posts on YouTube I quite like who's in favour of a second referendum, but instead of calling it a 'People's Vote' he calls it a 'Ratification Referendum'. To be fair to him, that's miles better than a 'People's Vote' which, as trendie rightly points out, is nonsense.
Tim.

Yes, I do, except so far as Brexit is concerned you can’t keep leaping in and out of the EU every few years. Unfortunately the politicians have made such a pigs ear of the thing that it’s beginning to look as if they might grab hold of it as the only way out the hole they have dug for themselves.

 

[barjon]

The map is far more interesting than the numbers. It shows us where all the numpties democracy deniers live.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584

Oh, yes. Is that a flag I see pinned over your house

 

[counter_violent]

I do not understand why when ever any reasonable question or doubt is raised there is an onslaught of we've had the vote let's get on with it cry. It's the will of the people init guv?

What does anyone lose if another second opinion is sought given such a complex and intense decision we are looking at with such severity of impact across all walks of life, industry and geography?

I mean what will the leavers lose simply clarifying positions.

Nobody would buy a car like this based on promises from Mr crafty politician would they? Surely not without seeing it, trying a test drive or simply just sitting in it.

The belligerent way Brexiteers are quite happy to rough shot over riding any due caution or dilligence as if they have a carte blanche cheque to do as they wish from now on to the point of requesting all MPs who represent leavers should resign their seats as well is just absolutely shocking behaviour and conduct.

Other than time what is the cost of having new leader elections coupled with national elections on the will of the people?

Will of the people will still be kicking around. This will of the people will not simply just pmppphhhhh and evaporate. No I'm sure it won't as we'll have Farage reminding us thy kingdom come.

Why are Brexiteers so hell bent on shutting down any debate including Parliament, just based on some ill thought out and purely conducted referendum that was incredibly close as constitutional referendums go?


Has Mr Reason left the UK?

Single issue politics never ends well. Revoke article 50!!! And the rest of the policies are?

 

[counter_violent]

Oh, yes. Is that a flag I see pinned over your house

What's a flag? I thought all flags had been banned by the council so as not to offend all the interlopers.

 

[barjon]

What's a flag? I thought all flags had been banned by the council so as not to offend all the interlopers.

Signifies you signed

 

[counter_violent]

Massive trouble coming down the line.

https://www.westmonster.com/public-opinion-has-shifted-in-favour-of-no-deal-brexit-poll-finds/

 

[cantagril]

The map is far more interesting than the numbers. It shows us where all the numpties democracy deniers live.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584

I was also interested to see that some of the main petition votes are coming from university towns - perhaps there is a correlation with the mispending youth quotient or perhaps just higher education....then again, I see that Hornsey and Brighton are also in there so perhaps higher education isn't entirely to blame for these ridiculous ideas.

 

[Atilla]

I was also interested to see that some of the main petition votes are coming from university towns - perhaps there is a correlation with the mispending youth quotient or perhaps just higher education....then again, I see that Hornsey and Brighton are also in there so perhaps higher education isn't entirely to blame for these ridiculous ideas.

What's so special about Hornsey? Is that Hornsey Holloway London? Just curious?

Brighton is a super place if not THE best in my informed opinion

 

[Signalcalc]

I was also interested to see that some of the main petition votes are coming from university towns - perhaps there is a correlation with the mispending youth quotient or perhaps just higher education....then again, I see that Hornsey and Brighton are also in there so perhaps higher education isn't entirely to blame for these ridiculous ideas.

So that's what they've been doing all day Thursday and Friday, not like they've got any lectures or studies to attend to

 

[cantagril]

What's so special about Hornsey? Is that Hornsey Holloway London? Just curious?

Brighton is a super place if not THE best in my informed opinion

I wondered if that would provoke a response As for Hornsey: dunno. I lived there briefly in a previous existence and I can't recall anything remarkable, not that I can recall much of anything really. What's this thread about again?

 

[Signalcalc]

The map is far more interesting than the numbers. It shows us where all the numpties democracy deniers live.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584

Proves my point that it's corrupted in some way, it's skewed by something, is it students, is it someone/something that doesn't actually understand the UK distribution and it was too difficult to program into the bots anyway?

It does show the richest hotspots however, Edinburgh/London/Oxford/Cambridge/Central Manchester/Sheffield/Brighton....

What is it telling us?

 

[Atilla]

I wondered if that would provoke a response As for Hornsey: dunno. I lived there briefly in a previous existence and I can't recall anything remarkable, not that I can recall much of anything really. What's this thread about again?

Only good thing about Hornsey is it's proximity to Crouch End and Muswell Hill. Ally Pally is just up cardiac hill and can't think of anything else. Just wondered if there was a new European joint there or somefink.

I used to go swimming there many moons ago. Small world we live in.

 

[counter_violent]

I was also interested to see that some of the main petition votes are coming from university towns - perhaps there is a correlation with the mispending youth quotient or perhaps just higher education....then again, I see that Hornsey and Brighton are also in there so perhaps higher education isn't entirely to blame for these ridiculous ideas.

Perhaps our educators offered them a little grade inflation if they spent their time wisely promoting socialist nonsense.