Brexit and the Consequences

[Atilla]

I agree with Minicoop, total set up, craftily done, accidental leak ...Boris is a difficult one, He's obviously very intelligent man and I do share his brexit views, His problem is that he has this buffoon stigma attached and people struggle to take him seriously. Something I doubt he will never shake off. He's right about trump though, He would make a fantastic negotiator with his aggressive approach to business and deal making, Unfortunately something the UK lacks is a strong leader, there is nobody in politics I could even suggest, JRM is closest but not what i would exactly call strong leadership material..

Whats your thoughts on this half baked half in/out deal ? Its got to be worse than full membership hasn't it ???

Here I agree with you Mikey, I do not like this half in half out membership. I see no benefit in accepting all the rules of the EU whilst having no say in their making.

No point to being bound by rules of EU if we are unable to deliver on deals with rest of the World as Brexiteers like to remind us.

I said this before. Tiered membership of the custom union is more suitable for small countries like Norway or Switzerland. We lose many of the current advantages we have now for little gain.


We need to put the Eurosceptics to rest one way or another. So whether it takes 10-20 years or even another 40 if it is to be then let them have a good crack of the whip and people can see if UK is successful or not. I hope UK succeeds in becoming a stronger, better nation with higher standards of living than now. Don't see how but I could be wrong.

The fumdanmentals are simply not their imo and no case for Brexit has been made. Either way I feel all in or all out is the better path for the UK. Anything in between can only lead to continued bickering and distraction to UK & parliament dragging on for years to come.


I thought this might well be the case. Everything was so wrong about this Referendum from start to finish. We are seeing it play out. How anyone thinks this is all positive and will end well is beyond me. I do hope I'm wrong.

 

[sminicooper]

Here I agree with you Mikey, I do not like this half in half out membership. I see no benefit in accepting all the rules of the EU whilst having no say in their making.

No point to being bound by rules of EU if we are unable to deliver on deals with rest of the World as Brexiteers like to remind us.

I said this before. Tiered membership of the custom union is more suitable for small countries like Norway or Switzerland. We lose many of the current advantages we have now for little gain.


We need to put the Eurosceptics to rest one way or another. So whether it takes 10-20 years or even another 40 if it is to be then let them have a good crack of the whip and people can see if UK is successful or not. I hope UK succeeds in becoming a stronger, better nation with higher standards of living than now. Don't see how but I could be wrong.

The fumdanmentals are simply not their imo and no case for Brexit has been made. Either way I feel all in or all out is the better path for the UK. Anything in between can only lead to continued bickering and distraction to UK & parliament dragging on for years to come.


I thought this might well be the case. Everything was so wrong about this Referendum from start to finish. We are seeing it play out. How anyone thinks this is all positive and will end well is beyond me. I do hope I'm wrong.

Well said - agree nearly all.

 

[Atilla]

Well said - agree nearly all.

Mike agrees with you.

I agree with Mike. :smart:

You nearly agree with me.



Thanks SuperCooper, we are sort of getting there...

 

[Pat494]

Just one problem being all out is the Northern Ireland border problem.
I see Boris is talking about the North leaving the UK and being part of the South. Seems unlikely.
My solution is to have NO border controls north of the border. If the EU clowns want border posts then that is up to them.

 

[cantagril]

Engineered by Boris ....

Three words that should strike fear into the bravest of souls

 

[Atilla]

Just one problem being all out is the Northern Ireland border problem.
I see Boris is talking about the North leaving the UK and being part of the South. Seems unlikely.
My solution is to have NO border controls north of the border. If the EU clowns want border posts then that is up to them.

So all migrants from Calais move to Ireland from where they simply step across the border.

I thought we needed border controls to control who comes in and how we collect tariffs???

EU companies can locate in Southern Ireland and just drive goods into UK with out paying any tariffs.


Need more thought I reckon

 

[mike.]

So all migrants from Calais move to Ireland from where they simply step across the border.

Therefore, that would in fact turn a migrant into an illegal immigrant which is a different department and subject to deportation, possibly back to country of origin. Worth the risk ??

 

[Atilla]

Therefore, that would in fact turn a migrant into an illegal immigrant which is a different department and subject to deportation, possibly back to country of origin. Worth the risk ??

What's the point of giving them free access and then escorting them back out again???

Stop'm gaining access in the first place!


Go to your local Co Op and buy a few more lbs of thought I reckon. Top up. :cheesy:

 

[Signalcalc]

Therefore, that would in fact turn a migrant into an illegal immigrant which is a different department and subject to deportation, possibly back to country of origin. Worth the risk ??

What is the status of those attempting to cross at Calais anyway? If they are EU citizens then they get a free pass anyway, so the assumption is that they are already illegals and the (French) authorities should either be processing them or deporting them back to country of origin.

 

[Pat494]

So all migrants from Calais move to Ireland from where they simply step across the border.

I thought we needed border controls to control who comes in and how we collect tariffs???

EU companies can locate in Southern Ireland and just drive goods into UK with out paying any tariffs.


Need more thought I reckon

Goods are going to be smuggled back and forth across the border anyway, so why prolong the stupidy of tariffs ?

Some of UK goods might go South ? Have Paddy south of the border sticking on labels saying made in Eire.

 

[Atilla]

What is the status of those attempting to cross at Calais anyway? If they are EU citizens then they get a free pass anyway, so the assumption is that they are already illegals and the (French) authorities should either be processing them or deporting them back to country of origin.

France is a sovereign state.

That's their biz.

You tell'm what they should be doing


Question is what are you going to do about the border in Ireland?


Pat I see you've already started thinking about how to work the system.
Made me laff as instead of placing controls you are thinking about how to circumvent them. Top man

 

[Splitlink]

In the "troubles" there were thousands of troops in Northern Ireland plus helicopters and what have you. That did not stop arms and terrorists crossing the border.

How is Westminster going to control the border, now? The border runs across farmland. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible, in some houses, to go in the front door, in Eire, and out the back into N. Ireland.

I, really, don't think that Westminster realises the dangerous situation that is just waiting to happen all over again.

 

[counter_violent]

In the "troubles" there were thousands of troops in Northern Ireland plus helicopters and what have you. That did not stop arms and terrorists crossing the border.

How is Westminster going to control the border, now? The border runs across farmland. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible, in some houses, to go in the front door, in Eire, and out the back into N. Ireland.

I, really, don't think that Westminster realises the dangerous situation that is just waiting to happen all over again.

What danger?.....The troubles started proper when the troops went in......there's no talk of troops going in.

There is talk mind of a united Ireland, but that is yrs down the line and only if the north decides that that is the way to go.

 

[counter_violent]

France is a sovereign state.

That's their biz.

You tell'm what they should be doing


Question is what are you going to do about the border in Ireland?


Pat I see you've already started thinking about how to work the system.
Made me laff as instead of placing controls you are thinking about how to circumvent them. Top man

France lost it's sovereignty yrs ago. France is overrun and out of control. Large areas turned into ghettos, a bit like London.

I seriously think we should jettison London out of the UK.

 

[Atilla]

France lost it's sovereignty yrs ago. France is overrun and out of control. Large areas turned into ghettos, a bit like London.

I seriously think we should jettison London out of the UK.

Good to see you keeping up with the times CV.

Are you aware European Banking Authority is moving from London to Paris?

You may have missed it whilst TM was trying to remember her lines about Brexit means Brexit and look where we are now?

Does she or you know what Brexit actually means?


You make me laugh

 

[counter_violent]

Good to see you keeping up with the times CV.

Are you aware European Banking Authority is moving from London to Paris?

You may have missed it whilst TM was trying to remember her lines about Brexit means Brexit and look where we are now?

Does she or you know what Brexit actually means?


You make me laugh

I know but she doesn't.

But that's fine because she soon will know when the Brexiters rise up.

As things stand she is still playing the "see what we can get away with card", trouble is, the clock is ticking and that game can only go on for so long.

There will be open revolt if Brexit is anything other than breaking away from the failed EU project.

As has been pointed out previously, the dominoes are all falling which makes our job easier the longer it goes on.

On France and the wider EU. How funny is this?

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/eur...ess-ghettos-that-breed-and-harbour-terrorists

 

[Signalcalc]

France is a sovereign state.

That's their biz.

You tell'm what they should be doing


Question is what are you going to do about the border in Ireland?

Other than political BS, there is no real drama about migration across the border with Eire. It's cheaper to catch them and deport them than to allow them to stay in the UK, let them cross the border, let them be caught, let them be deported, create jobs in border security and processing, I say.

Now, if only that applied at Calais, there wouldn't be such a problem, trafficked migrants would just be throwing their money away, criminal traffickers would lose their profit making racket and it would be undoubtably be cheaper for the British and French tax payer not to pay for useless fences and the never ending media focus on migrant camps. In addition, innocent truck drivers wouldn't need to run the gauntlet at both the French side and on inspection at Dover.

Alas, the French (Macron) will continue just to stick to the EU line and refuse to do anything about it. Eire may do the same, however, as stated we just catch and deport, a problem for sure, but a far cheaper alternative than trying to control the Irish border and as a bonus creates hundreds of much needed jobs for NI.

What is blindingly obvious is that a govt with a backbone is needed to implement such policies, it won't happen with the current regime (Con/Lab flipflop), therefore a change of regime is the only answer, similar to the changes in regimes happening across Europe, governments that are willing to put words into action.

It's the only way a migrant crisis can be avoided, post-Brexit.

 

[mike.]

Question is what are you going to do about the border in Ireland?

Do you mean...

What is the EU going to do about its border in Ireland ?

 

[Atilla]

Other than political BS, there is no real drama about migration across the border with Eire. It's cheaper to catch them and deport them than to allow them to stay in the UK, let them cross the border, let them be caught, let them be deported, create jobs in border security and processing, I say.

Now, if only that applied at Calais, there wouldn't be such a problem, trafficked migrants would just be throwing their money away, criminal traffickers would lose their profit making racket and it would be undoubtably be cheaper for the British and French tax payer not to pay for useless fences and the never ending media focus on migrant camps. In addition, innocent truck drivers wouldn't need to run the gauntlet at both the French side and on inspection at Dover.

Alas, the French (Macron) will continue just to stick to the EU line and refuse to do anything about it. Eire may do the same, however, as stated we just catch and deport, a problem for sure, but a far cheaper alternative than trying to control the Irish border and as a bonus creates hundreds of much needed jobs for NI.

What is blindingly obvious is that a govt with a backbone is needed to implement such policies, it won't happen with the current regime (Con/Lab flipflop), therefore a change of regime is the only answer, similar to the changes in regimes happening across Europe, governments that are willing to put words into action.

It's the only way a migrant crisis can be avoided, post-Brexit.

Create useless jobs paying tax payers money with no productive benefit to the UK!

What will these Blade Runners be producing other than providing a special escort service for illegal migrants?

Now it seems you propose we play cat and mouse wasting tax payers money on catching illegal immigrants who will not be able to work or claim any benefits anyhow.

No mention of tariff collection.


You keep referring to the French as if it's of any consequence to us. Remember we are out of the EU and we need to control our borders. Take back control.

UK has very little border or custom control officers. I fail to see why you do not wish to do what is sensible and right but play some kind of cat and mouse games with a bunch of nobodies creating useless jobs.

You the cave-man version of Blade Runner I guess.


Mikey!
The EU knows exactly what to do with the border. Implement custom controls and charge tariffs. They'll be generating revenue as businesses relocate to Ireland to gain free access to the rest of the EU.

I strongly suspect NI will follow the money and join up with the rest soon enough.

 

[Splitlink]

What danger?.....The troubles started proper when the troops went in......there's no talk of troops going in.

There is talk mind of a united Ireland, but that is yrs down the line and only if the north decides that that is the way to go.

Oh dear! Where have I heard that line before.