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The Dutch Clown

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It seems to be somewhat boring but it has also a degree of comfort that the multi year Elliott Wave Analysis sticks to the TripleZigZagC pattern as the preferred one. And I consistently keep the alternative pattern scenario alive in the back of my mind (see previous weekly’s) and add that for the short and medium term trading it will not differ trend wise. The character of the pattern has extreme implications for future directions which you will read in numerous publications. But an alternative scenario with opposite direction is not so far from this scenario and might very well enter the arena. In order to get some grip on the long term outlook I have done a bit more Cycle Analysis because it was simply far to long ago I did some work in this area.

The obvious choice for Cycle Analysis is the 4 year’s cycle which bottomed in the DJIA in October 2002 and the AEX in March 2003. Primarily the DJIA October 2002 4 years cycle bottom is the focus of attention in numerous publications and warnings for a serious correction to come. Personally I favor the Benner 56 years Cycle that fits perfectly the March 2003 bottom in a series of tops and bottoms throughout the last century. Mind you that the DJIA dropped also in March 2003 but did not place the absolute low. This implies the next relevant event is a top due 2010 but does not exclude a correction although it should be seen differently within the larger picture.

Mr. W.D. Gann also viewed the stock market movements in a cycle way but his conclusions are I would say typical Gann so not quite easy to understand and multiple conclusions are made by as many different Analysts. However if one uses the findings of Mr. Gann one will find that the year 2006 is the last of three years that typical show panic (even the word Crash is used) related to 4 year periods. If we take a look at the Gann cycle performance of the DJIA in the last century or so we find: 16,22% in 98 days and 23,41% in 619 days; 86,60% in 813 days;16,24% in 363 days and 13,54% in 31 days; 21,85% in 379 days with large drops and reactions; 41,16% in 56 days. If we project the Gann cycle idea’s to the near future a serious drop is expected towards the end of 2006 to start and the low is formed in the next period 2007-2008 followed by a couple of years rising.

Relevant to us at this stage is an answer to the question: Is the top (DJIA 11670 and AEX 478,44) there or is there more to come before the decline is executed? We might find some help in the work already done by a number of people to isolate one dominate cycle as appose to using a number of cycles which is traditionally done by measuring the number of bars between lows. Well what can I say relevant lows in the AEX present swing are 217 and 307 which is 365 bars. The next relevant low is 345 which is 181 bars from 307 and the next there after is 375 which is only 49 bars and if you remember the date and event it was the London hit last year. If we forget the London attack the next relevant was 383 at 130 bars. Using single frequency trigonometric regression one can find a single dominant cycle, to keep this contribution focused I just tell you that the AEX dominant cycle is 134 day’s.

In order to move further we need to read a couple of books to get into the grooves but I will summarize conclusions since I am not all together up to speed in this area yet. This forecasting technique can be used on different time frames so I have checked day, hourly and 5 minute charts and found that it’s more likely to expect lower AEX values than higher ones although the daily chart is about to turn positive. No surprise since this technique does not work properly in non trending markets as we have seen on the AEX the last couple of day’s. This technique has some similarities to what we call a flag in Technical Analysis where the AEX moving sideways could be considered a consolidation phase. The set-up is there it’s just a matter of confirmation and we are on our way. So At this stage I have to conclude that although Cycle Analysis is indicting serious short opportunities it can not help us right now by telling that the time has come to go full blown short yet.

Why so much effort spend? Well for cross checking I use the DJIA and where the AEX multi year EWA prefers a last wave up in the total swing from 217,80 the DJIA multi year EWA has a preference for a scenario where the 11670 is the high for quite a while and future projections match the Cycle Analysis idea’s of Mr. Gann. An other observation is the EWA from the high on 478,44 which indicates that a TriangleExpC pattern is active with the accelerating wave presently active moving down with targets below the recent low on 409,56. For the bulls, it has to be mentioned that this pattern is a complex one and frequently changes due course into an other pattern.

To earn some money in the meantime I use the layered charts like you have seen in previous weeks. At random and when I feel like it I might update some charts, in general I think you can work with to given outlines yourself given the fact that everything can be found in books I already referenced several times.

S6 and remember to Trade to Win.

Disclaimer: these weekly thoughts are for educational purposes.
 
maandag 14 augustus 2006.

10.00u
Intraday OB followed by ND and scalped a good point, now PR and looking for PD to go long.... all supported by the relevant Gann Fans.
 
Good morning Clown

We are back in business... confusing conclusion this time... expecting a short squeeze on the AEX (?)... have a nice day!

Gogo
 
Gogo27,
FKA...059

Do not use words like short squeeze they express emotions which a trader can not use in his trading. When trading you need to have a plan by which you can act, it is not about expectations it is about the conditions or outlines if you like.

Just look at what your charts tell you and use what you have learned about indicator patterns and conditions. This morning we had quite an OB situation on the intraday graph which was followed by Negative Divergence playing with the 1x1 line from the 446,34 Fan ... just too good to let it pass for a short scalp.... than the RSI scored a positive Reversal (the spread is a bit large but this is the part where the other techniques come in) on the intraday chart just below the 3x1 line from the 447,52 Fan and closed the shorts taking 1 index point times euri 200 times number of fti's minus some small change for the broker.

Now just look at what ever comes first, that will be positive divergence or a "hidden" reversal signal, taking in account that a trading potential of minimal 1 index point is around.
Easy does it and just pick the nice ones so you keep trading to win and earn your weeks income monday morning in the first trading hour so you will have the rest of the week for some extra.

Have Fun I know I will anyway.

PS the PR signal in the EOD chart is still there, although the exit intraday (only) was executed.
 
Clown,
concerning the long term I reached the same conclusions you did. For the cycles you only have to extend the pattern Prechter showed in his book. Your Elliot analysis is exactly the same as mine. About Gann, I'm still not experienced enough to thrust my calculations, however if they coincide with my other calculations, it makes me happy.
Keep up the good work.
Pacito
 
The Dutch Clown said:
Gogo27,
FKA...059

Do not use words like short squeeze they express emotions which a trader can not use in his trading. When trading you need to have a plan by which you can act, it is not about expectations it is about the conditions or outlines if you like.

Just look at what your charts tell you and use what you have learned about indicator patterns and conditions. This morning we had quite an OB situation on the intraday graph which was followed by Negative Divergence playing with the 1x1 line from the 446,34 Fan ... just too good to let it pass for a short scalp.... than the RSI scored a positive Reversal (the spread is a bit large but this is the part where the other techniques come in) on the intraday chart just below the 3x1 line from the 447,52 Fan and closed the shorts taking 1 index point times euri 200 times number of fti's minus some small change for the broker.

Now just look at what ever comes first, that will be positive divergence or a "hidden" reversal signal, taking in account that a trading potential of minimal 1 index point is around.
Easy does it and just pick the nice ones so you keep trading to win and earn your weeks income monday morning in the first trading hour so you will have the rest of the week for some extra.

Have Fun I know I will anyway.

PS the PR signal in the EOD chart is still there, although the exit intraday (only) was executed.

My charts are from stone age times... I still use drawer and pencil for my conclusions... therefore I was all looking to your charts to make my work easy(er)...

but I do not let emotions take my decisions! I took my positions in due time and will finalise soon this trade...

Now let's take a drink first...

Cheers

Gogo
 
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Pacito,

The EWA of the DJIA indicates that 11670 was the top for quite a while and this is "the red flag" for the AEX EWA which prefers a wave 5 up to wrap the 217 swing up. Now I have slept one more night over it I came up with an other thought... they might be both right and the difference is made by the Eur/Dol??!!.. and if I recall my latest EWA outlook on the eur/dol it was a wave 4 down (1,2981-1,2457) and now 5 up.... the FED will stop raising the intrest rates where as the EU start to raise.....

Mr. Gann is known from his wheel as C. Brown explains in the book but it's not the thing I use. Mr. Gann did work on many things fi charting, price/time targetting and cycles. The last one is quite unknown and a whole different ballgame. As I stated previously I consider the long term outlook interesting but the failure rate is a bit high and costly, so I work with my trading systems on the short term to eat pudding now not in a few years, where I transform them into the larger timeframes in a later stage if the pudding is of my taste. But the systems work so extremely well on the short term that I now question whether or not I should ride the long waves anyway.

Sandwich time.
 
The Dutch Clown said:
... But the systems work so extremely well on the short term that I now question whether or not I should ride the long waves anyway.

Sandwich time.

Bon appétit!

If the systems works than you should stick on it...

A mechanical system is valid as long it does not fail...

Time for lunch!

Didi
 
Clown,
Maybe you're right. As I don't put all my money in futures or options, I can choose between shares or cash. I like to see the no-trading part of my money grow without bothering about it. So its important to me to know if we are in an uptrend or a downtrend just to know if I can keep my shares or change the lot into cash.
Pacito
 
Pacito said:
Clown,
Maybe you're right. As I don't put all my money in futures or options, I can choose between shares or cash. I like to see the no-trading part of my money grow without bothering about it. So its important to me to know if we are in an uptrend or a downtrend just to know if I can keep my shares or change the lot into cash.
Pacito

Well Pacito, it seems that you have a money management problem... It is very important ... Good luck in your quest!

Have a nice evening!

gogo
 
gogo27 said:
Well Pacito, it seems that you have a money management problem... It is very important ... Good luck in your quest!

Have a nice evening!

gogo
It seems to me that we all have some problems (except clown maybe for the time being). The reason we post and read a lot is to learn from others and not because we have the best systems in the world. Otherwise we all would be in the quote 500 and leave those brainwrecking calculations to our secretary's.
Pacito
 
No Problemo

All set to go,

Just did the final calculations for the yesterday afternoon before closing opened shorts... Yes Sir I have quite a number of fti's short.... okay just a tiny bit minus in the closing... but guess what you might have seen what happened in Yanks Land.... and the DJIA has not met it's NR target yet.....

Well Pacito what can I say I too have stock and given the thoughts in post 1 I do look at insuring the lot with put options for a while... but my fti trading covers all and I consider buying on the dip extra stock outof the fti profits.

It is pure luxery and no problemo..

Have fun and see the NR


EDIT:
I just notice that my broker did close my fti's yesterday with 0,1 index point profit.....oeps..... end now...
 
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We all see different things because we look from different angles. I see yesterday's Dow move as a pullback in the start of a downtrend that started at the beginning of the month.and today will be testing time for the support that is just below the close. Will Europe be watching that , too? If it is, then the morning will be quiet again with main interest in the afternoon.

Split
 
Dear Clown

Didn't I tell you about the confusion? !
I took only 4 points from the ride... But I'm satisfied with the result...
By the way I'm really missing your charts, you know!

Now let's prepare a good diner...

Have a nice evening!

Gogo
 
dear clown,

it might be interesting to put the whole "circus" gann, elliot, etc. on the 10 or 30 year t-bond and or, the euro/dollar index. the outcomes might give a clue for the stock markets.

regards,

salomo
 
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