Brexit and the Consequences

Atilla

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They have been at it since day one. We only have to look on here :LOL: and despite all the evidence that the EU will likely fail, they insist that we should stay part of it and fail alongside them, I assume:rolleyes:

Farage has been upping his interviews recently.

This is mind boggling stuff from the 2 women in this interview.:eek: But hugely entertaining and informative.

Thanks for this clip. Watched it with great interest and thought it was very good.

Nigel Farage comes across well but when you scratch the surface of what he says to go just a little bit deeper one discovers there is not much there that stands up to scrutiny.

It's all based around rubbishing what we have.

Towards the end he summarises what we gain as Parliament gaining independence and repeats CV's fanciful assertion EU is imploding on itself.

Earlier on he talks about removing House of Lords and reconstructing Parliament which is the oldest established democratic house in the World.

His obviously not a happy bean.


My view is that Parliament is Sovereign and independent. The Queen as Head of State also does a Sterling job. I think it should be clear that ULTIMATELY we can leave the EU anytime we want. It is a voluntary club with tiered membership which nations can sign up to if current members agree to application. All the other stuff about who can be elected and the democratic process and his dislike of Junker etc etc are just simple petty squabbling.

I thought both the ladies were spot on and reasonable. The two men obviously have their heads and egos in the wrong place unable to reason or see anything resembling common sense in the face of adversity which Brexit clearly has been.

Listening to Farage on another show he criticised TM (who went round EU countries trying to get support for UK) and said he would have at the start visited the car industries and big manufacturers who export to UK and get them to exert pressure on their governments to agree to UK requests. You have to think about this man's proposals and ideas before you think he talks a good shop. Would that have been any different to TM talking to government leaders?

Do you think getting rid of HoLs is a good idea without a plan as to what is going to replace it? (Think Brexit here folks).

People can think of all sorts of crazy and whacky ideas but to engage, plan and deliver those ideas are where all the little gremlins lie.

So once again Farage is all about nit picking and blaming and talking and shouting.

He says his a business man but made his mark in criticising and rubbishing all that is around him and made a career out of it. Much like our career politicians.

His now going round criticising the Norwegian half baked deal and issues with that solution. You've seen the clip posted sometime earlier how he thought Norway was doing super well in her position and how we too could be similar. Now his changed his tune somewhat. Norway hasn't changed her status wrt EU so I'm wondering why Farage has changed his words about Norway?


I thought it was good clip. The two ladies did super well. (y)(y)
 

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Not exactly Tim 😂😂 But their support for Brexit has been welcomed. Mind you, there’s the odd MP that’s kind on the eye, Esther McVey for example... I would probably visit her Saturday surgery 😂
 

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No appetite for a second referendum Tim.
Hi c_v,
Ta for the link.

No appetite for a second referendum amongst the general public. However, as we're all discovering - and you know better than most - Parliament doesn't give a monkeys about what the great unwashed think and want! When - not if - Jeremy Corbyn and Labour change their policy to reflect the wishes of party members, then the current minority of MPs calling for a second referendum will become a majority. And if, as expected, Mrs. May gets precisely nowhere tinkering with her lousy deal, then the prospect of a second referendum becomes ever more likely. I hope you're right and that we don't have one. However, as I've said before, I'd rather we took our chances by having one (so long as 'No Deal' is an option) than be lumbered with TM's BRINO plan.
Tim.
 

Atilla

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I think Labour and Corbyn are playing a clever game. No matter what is said they are doing really well and have very strong membership.

Labour do have a clear policy and approach to Brexit unlike what the MSM keep peddling out.

That decision will be made by their executive and then Corbyn will trumpet it as so.

Trade Unions are in favour but as to how their members think and feel is the unknown.

They can sway opinion nad the vote once Tories are dealt with.

As before only two options imo; new leader/elections or referendum.
 

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I think Labour and Corbyn are playing a clever game. No matter what is said they are doing really well and have very strong membership.
They are behind in the polls (I would agree that is a great achievement considering the hopeless government and leadership we have at the moment) and membership is dramatically falling – they are not renewing and a lot of the youngsters are now very unimpressed.

Labour do have a clear policy and approach to Brexit unlike what the MSM keep peddling out.
It would appear that each Labour shadow member cabinet has a clear policy and approach – it's just a shame that (like the Conservatives) they are so different. Witness Diane Abbott on QT last week!

That decision will be made by their executive and then Corbyn will trumpet it as so.
Presumably that will be like what they did at conference last year – but now a lot of them are giving a different version.

Trade Unions are in favour but as to how their members think and feel is the unknown.
Trade Unions no longer have the influence they used to possess but will probably continue misrepresenting what their majority members really want/think

They can sway opinion nad the vote once Tories are dealt with.
They will have to sway opinion "to deal with the Tories" – not making much progress so far!

As before only two options imo; new leader/elections or referendum.
Or – a Full English Brexit (y)
 

Atilla

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Or – a Full English Brexit (y)

They are behind in the polls (I would agree that is a great achievement considering the hopeless government and leadership we have at the moment) and membership is dramatically falling – they are not renewing and a lot of the youngsters are now very unimpressed.

It would appear that each Labour shadow member cabinet has a clear policy and approach – it's just a shame that (like the Conservatives) they are so different. Witness Diane Abbott on QT last week!

Presumably that will be like what they did at conference last year – but now a lot of them are giving a different version.

Trade Unions no longer have the influence they used to possess but will probably continue misrepresenting what their majority members really want/think


They were way behind in the polls when TM called the last elections. She called those elections because they had about 24% lead or there abouts. Just imagine what they can achieve in the next elections. Especially if they come away from Executive Council all singing and dancing the same tune?

Tories not much different. Labour MPs can say and quote as many different views as the Tories. Be all things to all people. There is no need for Labour to help the Tories out. Tories doing splendidly well tearing them selves apart. The onus is on the Tories not Labour. Once again Labour just playing politics.

Trade Unions do have power as they have money. If the executive agree staying in or another referendum big business will finance Labour. Tories hardly the party of business.

I have countless times witnessed and seen just how effective the Labour party machine is. They didn't have any councillors here and now making in-roads.


Don't forget a week is a long time in politics. Come the next elections Tories will be trashed I reckon. That's why they have been running scared and know they don't have much chance of winning and thus continue with TM.

Moreover, if Farage and Boris do form new party then that'll really split the vote.

Labour are playing a clever game and winning imo.
 

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Just listening to news and no deal is off the table. Not happening. Wakey wakey :)

No deal is suicide.

There is lack of reason or rational in the no deal.

The way I'm thinking is that peeps who are well to do have much more enriched lives and have connections in Europe. There are another set of people who are less well off and they don't have European interests or work relating to EU or just siimply pensioners who's livelihoods have no bearing on anything relating to the EU may feel No Deal is better for them. In fact these set of people probably see EU as a threat.

I don't blame either side and see their point of view.

I'm also a little peeved at having to pay £39bn when really the cost of another two years is effectively at £9bn p/a £18bn. Why we are paying double without future deal is crazy. Withdrawal agreement is not the final deal. It is simply a transition period to start negotiations on a new deal. I for Better In but find no justification for this some of money. We are simply changing membership from one level to another and thus extra sum of money is erroneous and there is no justification for it.


Anyhow, right now all options look really awful. From my perspective, no deal is bad, the withdrawal agreement at £39bn is a worse than the no deal bad deal. I'm astounded as to how HM Government can fall into such chaotic disarray.

Only reasonable option is to remain as we are now in Europe and go back to basics letting the dust settle down. Take article 50 off the table. Re-evaluate our position.

Eurosceptics have really screwed up the whole nation, including Scotland and Ireland. Ultimately, Tories and Eurosceptics need to be dealt with. That means removing them all from power. New elections.

Keep going round in circles and end up in the same position. TM MUST LEAVE, TORY PARTY MUST LEAVE POWER.

That is the only LEAVE play in town. I'm sincerely beginning to feel Corbyn and Labour were right all along.


Simple really. (y)
 
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Just listening to news and no deal is off the table. Not happening. Wakey wakey :)

No deal is suicide.

There is lack of reason or rational in the no deal.

The way I'm thinking is that peeps who are well to do have much more enriched lives and have connections in Europe. There are another set of people who are less well off and they don't have European interests or work relating to EU or just siimply pensioners who's livelihoods have no bearing on anything relating to the EU may feel No Deal is better for them. In fact these set of people probably see EU as a threat.

I don't blame either side and see their point of view.

I'm also a little peeved at having to pay £39bn when really the cost of another two years is effectively at £9bn p/a £18bn. Why we are paying double without future deal is crazy. Withdrawal agreement is not the final deal. It is simply a transition period to start negotiations on a new deal. I for Better In but find no justification for this some of money. We are simply changing membership from one level to another and thus extra sum of money is erroneous and there is no justification for it.


Anyhow, right now all options look really awful. From my perspective, no deal is bad, the withdrawal agreement at £39bn is a worse than the no deal bad deal. I'm astounded as to how HM Government can fall into such chaotic disarray.

Only reasonable option is to remain as we are now in Europe and go back to basics letting the dust settle down. Take article 50 off the table. Re-evaluate our position.

Eurosceptics have really screwed up the whole nation, including Scotland and Ireland. Ultimately, Tories and Eurosceptics need to be dealt with. That means removing them all from power. New elections.

Keep going round in circles and end up in the same position. TM MUST LEAVE, TORY PARTY MUST LEAVE POWER.

That is the only LEAVE play in town. I'm sincerely beginning to feel Corbyn and Labour were right all along.


Simple really. (y)
‘Tories and eurosceptics need to be dealt with, remove them from power’

Sounds a tad fascist to me.