Brexit and the Consequences

Signalcalc

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You really are not reading this Brexit fiasco very well at all are you SC.

Look at the facts.
Yes the referendum was acted upon and article 50 invoked.
Yes many lies were told and false assertions made by all sides.
No Brexit is not as simple as we were led to believe.

Yes Theresa May did go back to the people to get a bigger majority of her no deal is better than a bad deal and Tories only sensible party available to lead the nation. Duly lost her majority. This is important as elections and new government over turns any previous advisory referendums.

Since then many debates and motions voted upon and no consensus exists in Parliament for a hard no deal Brexit.

So for Brexiteers to keep banging this same old dribble as if they are the only ones who know what democracy is or that democracy is a one time event is pitifully pathetic.


Brexiteers and Eurosceptics really showing their true colours as UK descends into more chaos.


I beg to differ about Tories purging out the remainers. It is the eurosceptics who need to naff off to the Brexit party and leave the Conservatives. The soul of the Tory party is not dead just yet.


Has anyone heard from our know-it-all Tory CV? Not like him to lose his tongue. :unsure: (y)
I think the consensus is obvious, MPs thought a deal could be brokered, but the EU wasnt going to offer one that MPs could agree to because the terms are worst than the agreement we already have and probably even worse than the ones agreed to without consent in 1972.

Eurosceptic MPs thought OK we just leave without a withdrawal agreement.

Europhile MPs thought OK we remain.

That's the position we are in now, the EU is not going to offer a good enough withdrawal agreement.

So it's a stark choice: leave without agreement or remain forever.

There is no consensus on the withdrawal agreement (no deal was always a red herring as any trade agreement was always going to be sorted out following withdrawal).

So we leave without agreement on the withdrawal agreement, that is the correct democratic route that meets article 50 and the referendum result anything else does not meet the democratic criteria.

It's been stated often enough but it's worth repeating at this juncture to remind remoaners how far they have strayed from the true path of democracy, losers that still can't face they lost when Brexiteers won the referendum many moons ago.

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Also worth reminding remoaners that we were taken into the political union by parliament, without consent, both 1972 and 1993 were triggers for Brexit.

You don't have democracy without consent of the public, why don't remoaners see these simple democratic facts?
 
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Signalcalc

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And the kickers are the traitorous Tories of the past who continually rebelled against various Tory governments of the day (and the will of the people who supported the government EU policy). Now the boot is on the other foot and the kickers can’t take it so resort to bullying totalitarianism. Do you really want to run by such a Cummingsiam shower.
But the boot was placed on the other foot in the 2016 referendum, prior to that was a campaign to leave, no reason to change anything because the democratic process was followed despite the protests to leave.

Now it has been turned around, by the public, MPs don't want to accept it, why?
 

Atilla

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I think the consensus is obvious, MPs thought a deal could be brokered, but the EU wasnt going to offer one that MPs could agree to because the terms are worst than the agreement we already have and probably even worse than the ones agreed to without consent in 1972.
Hardly obvious. You are very much off-skew. It was said there is no way EU would give a better deal than the one we already have. Anybody who said they could were talking hot air.
Anybody who believed a better deal oculd be had as touted by Brexiteers were fools.

Why would EU do such a thing? Give green light to other countries to do the same. It is ludicrous to suggest that was obvious or the case. You really are distorting facts and your appreciation of the past events are worrying. Simply means Brexiteers don't have a handle on reality. Wishful thinking is just that wishful fanciful thinking we can do this and that and at the end of the day we'll get zilch.


Eurosceptic MPs thought OK we just leave without a withdrawal agreement.
Not so. Farage was touting the Norwegian deal. Boris touted the Canada ++++ deal. Swiss model was also shouted about. We can have that and this and +++++. Your memory is failing you my fwiend or you have very selective memory. Which is it?
 

Signalcalc

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Hardly obvious. You are very much off-skew. It was said there is no way EU would give a better deal than the one we already have. Anybody who said they could were talking hot air.
Anybody who believed a better deal oculd be had as touted by Brexiteers were fools.

Why would EU do such a thing? Give green light to other countries to do the same. It is ludicrous to suggest that was obvious or the case. You really are distorting facts and your appreciation of the past events are worrying. Simply means Brexiteers don't have a handle on reality. Wishful thinking is just that wishful fanciful thinking we can do this and that and at the end of the day we'll get zilch.




Not so. Farage was touting the Norwegian deal. Boris touted the Canada ++++ deal. Swiss model was also shouted about. We can have that and this and +++++. Your memory is failing you my fwiend or you have very selective memory. Which is it?
So what deal has been offered by the EU that is acceptable to remoaner MPs?

It's obvious what is happening, remoaners don't want a general election because they will lose, which in turn will result in Brexit, remoaners do not want Brexit under any circumstances end of, to pretend otherwise is, well, just pretending.

It's not going away, Brexit will happen sooner or later, the decision has been made article 50 has been agreed, the public want it, it's only the majority of MPs that want to remoan, all of which will be out of a job as soon as we have a general election :ROFLMAO:
 

Signalcalc

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Listen to Soubrey, remain or a deal, that's it, where's the democracy in that, it should be deal or no-deal she should be talking about, queen remoaner.
 

Signalcalc

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Hardly obvious. You are very much off-skew. It was said there is no way EU would give a better deal than the one we already have. Anybody who said they could were talking hot air.
Anybody who believed a better deal oculd be had as touted by Brexiteers were fools.

Why would EU do such a thing? Give green light to other countries to do the same. It is ludicrous to suggest that was obvious or the case. You really are distorting facts and your appreciation of the past events are worrying. Simply means Brexiteers don't have a handle on reality. Wishful thinking is just that wishful fanciful thinking we can do this and that and at the end of the day we'll get zilch.




Not so. Farage was touting the Norwegian deal. Boris touted the Canada ++++ deal. Swiss model was also shouted about. We can have that and this and +++++. Your memory is failing you my fwiend or you have very selective memory. Which is it?
You seem to be fixated on believing that people that voted to leave believed anything any politician had to say was true, that is the MSM message, strange then that leavers ignored project fear! Most people don't believe anything politicians say, to say people voted on what they were being told is disingenuous to the voting public.

Leavers voted on their own judgements not on the word of politicians or the MSM or project fear, what a strange view to take, which one is it that, in your view, people believed?

Oh no, now I remember remoaners told us that leavers were thick and racist, so we'll be back to that old, well worn, stupid argument again, move on pleeeeease.

Merkel had a great influence on Brexit in her actions, nothing she said, blame the EU, not Brexiteer politicians (y)
 

Atilla

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So what deal has been offered by the EU that is acceptable to remoaner MPs?
Matey, there are about 11 tiers of EU membership. UK can simply pick one.

Issue is UK wants a special unique membership. It's called having your cake and eating it.

As before a better deal than the one we have was never going to happen! Fact people believed the dribble from Brexiteers leads me to suspect all have been misled and hoodwinked. Should be becoming clear what leadership under these clowns will look like.

Think twice! (y)
 

Atilla

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So which one did the EU offer the UK ?
You playing silly buggers? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

UK is seeking a have your cake and eat it deal!

EU is under no obligation to offer anything. TM has conducted her negotiations and a deal has been chiselled out. Take it or leave it.

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barjon

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But the boot was placed on the other foot in the 2016 referendum, prior to that was a campaign to leave, no reason to change anything because the democratic process was followed despite the protests to leave.

Now it has been turned around, by the public, MPs don't want to accept it, why?
The majority of MPs have accepted the referendum result to leave. The argument has been about how that is done, not whether it should be done. There is a huge majority against no-deal - made up of both remainers and leavers - and who is to say there wouldn’t be a similar majority among those people who voted leave in the referendum as the implications sink home.
 

Signalcalc

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The majority of MPs have accepted the referendum result to leave. The argument has been about how that is done, not whether it should be done. There is a huge majority against no-deal - made up of both remainers and leavers - and who is to say there wouldn’t be a similar majority among those people who voted leave in the referendum as the implications sink home.
A naiive point of view to think that the majority of remoaner MPs want a deal, they do not, they wish to reverse Brexit, as many have publicly stated.
 

Signalcalc

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You playing silly buggers? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

UK is seeking a have your cake and eat it deal!

EU is under no obligation to offer anything. TM has conducted her negotiations and a deal has been chiselled out. Take it or leave it.

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OK, I'll rephrase the question - which of the 11 options have the EU allowed the UK to choose?

Otherwise, where is your argument that the UK can select one of the membership options?
 

Atilla

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OK, I'll rephrase the question - which of the 11 options have the EU allowed the UK to choose?

Otherwise, where is your argument that the UK can select one of the membership options?

UK will need to make a formal application. As I said before there was a lot of talk but no action. Farage with his Norwegian model, Boris with his Canadian ++++ and the Swiss.

You don't get it do you? Why should EU make any offers? It doesn't work like that.

UK are current members with a good deal. The application has to come from UK for EU members to consider. There is no reason one of the other arrangements can not be made to work. Norwegian model was discussed but deemed to be inferior.

You really are playing silly buggers. Wake up and just accept Brexiteers have duped you to believe a better deal could be SIMPLY negotiated. Now like a sulking disillusioned little boy with tail between legs people like Boris are quite prepared to put self interest above country. Cut nose off to spite ones face. Brexiteers can't bring them selves to see they have messed up big time.

I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest. Boris and Farage are self serving snakes in the grass. Deserters at the first point of call. When leadership is required they bottle it. Contemptible scoundrels. Moggy SH no different. Govey the back stabber. Leadsom some half baked wannabee with a made up CV. The whole lot of Brexiteer Eurosceptics are utterly useless bunch of feckless self serving opportunists.


There you are looking to blame the EU. They didn't make us any good offers??? You are being very naive indeed. You should look closer to home.
 

Signalcalc

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UK will need to make a formal application. As I said before there was a lot of talk but no action. Farage with his Norwegian model, Boris with his Canadian ++++ and the Swiss.

You don't get it do you? Why should EU make any offers? It doesn't work like that.

UK are current members with a good deal. The application has to come from UK for EU members to consider. There is no reason one of the other arrangements can not be made to work. Norwegian model was discussed but deemed to be inferior.

You really are playing silly buggers. Wake up and just accept Brexiteers have duped you to believe a better deal could be SIMPLY negotiated. Now like a sulking disillusioned little boy with tail between legs people like Boris are quite prepared to put self interest above country. Cut nose off to spite ones face. Brexiteers can't bring them selves to see they have messed up big time.

I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest. Boris and Farage are self serving snakes in the grass. Deserters at the first point of call. When leadership is required they bottle it. Contemptible scoundrels. Moggy SH no different. Govey the back stabber. Leadsom some half baked wannabee with a made up CV. The whole lot of Brexiteer Eurosceptics are utterly useless bunch of feckless self serving opportunists.


There you are looking to blame the EU. They didn't make us any good offers??? You are being very naive indeed. You should look closer to home.
There'll be no negotiation available now remoaners have gone and fecked up the whole process, yet again, what a bunch of useless twonks.

Answer me this, why didn't the Remoaners give Boris a chance to negotiate with the EU?
 

Signalcalc

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I feel it is shameful to treat elder statement who have devoted their lives and careers to Parliament the way they have. AND WHAT FOR? Simply for standing up for national interest.
Who Ken Clarke? The Bilderberger organiser, putting globalists interests above national interest, he's one traitor that deserves to lose his position.

You are an odd bod Att, on the one hand a progressive Libdem social justice warrior, eco Brighton open border loon, on the other hand sticking up for globalists, big business, bankster elitists with not a care for ordinary folk, I think you are politically conflicted just like most remoaners that can't tell true democracy from faux democracy. Bang on about the sovereignty of parliament but would rather hand that sovereignty to foreign powers and supranational rule. Would rather see the UK lose it's military defence capability and chain of command to an unelected foreign power for their own use and would rather see rule by no consensus than following a democratic process - bonkers the lot of ya o_O

Would rather wave a blue flag with yellow stars than a Union Jack, would rather be an EU citizen than a UK citizen!

Or do you just see £££££££££££

Like the SNP, committed nationalists, yet would rather be ruled by Brussels, the worst of the lot for hypocrisy, all they definitely see is freebie EU £££££ and leverage to leave the UK, absolutely double down bonkers.
 
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