Brexit and the Consequences

tomorton

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It's true- in the UK, you vote for a person to be an MP to represent that constituency.
That person can then do whatsoever suits themselves as 'representation' until the next election.
They are not bound to any promises made, or to represent any particular views or any party.
You may have thought you could vote for a right or left wing party, or leave or remain but your MP can can do as they please once elected, including defecting to the Monster Raving Loony Hippey Yoga Party or casting votes in parliament that clearly do not reflect the views of the public that elected them. That's what we call democracy.

As to the 3 years of dither and delay, well, that's not over either, there's at least another year of being bound to the EU and all it's regulations to go yet, if not far, far longer.

To shorten the agony of the now inevitable, they might consider actually getting on with it. Ergo.

Cancel HS2 and use the money to restore Hadrians |Wall so that Scotland can have it's Inde-Ref ASAP.

Re-instate the Irish Border immediately, we're not in the bloody Schengen-Zone.

And for what rational reason are authorities 'rescuing' migrants out of the channel ? Sure, if they make it to dry land, by all means round them up and throw them in one of the concentration camps provided therefor. But if you're going to pick them up the moment they paddle into the North Sea, then just lay on some ferries and be done with it. The whole point of having a large stretch of water as a border is that it is difficult to cross. Countries don't have river and sea borders by accident.

Not suggesting that any of the above is morally righteous or even what people voted for, but it would bring a swift end to all the dithering, the years of wrangling, the floods of migrants and the end result of Brexit in name only with all of the drawbacks, rules and regulations still imposed but none of the benefits or any say in drafting them.

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Our election of MP's isn't perfect. I believe some European MP's are allocated to constituencies after their party has received so many votes in an election. so some Europeans cannot know the name of their MP at the ballot box because they haven't been appointed yet. Some countries allocate additional "bonus" seats in parliament to the winning party so that the party has a working majority and they avoid minority governments like Theresa May's - in that case the constituency receives whichever MP the party decides.

No system's perfect. MP's here who are no-shows or who switch parties tend to get voted out (eventually).
 

NVP

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I don't expect the UK government will ask for an extension of the 31/12 deadline for the end of the transition period. But I think many subjects of mutual interest between the UK and the EU will be subject to individual transition arrangements for years afterwards. Most of this won't be felt by the public . Probably the two governments will urgently press on with agreements covering critical trade areas like pharmaceuticals, plus the stuff that would really aggravate voters if it went wrong - travel to/from the EU etc.

But we won't be fully out for at least 5 years.
just waiting for Brexit to truly unravel now .........

Thats not what we were promised (hate to say this but a few porkies were told by the brexiteers)

Those shifty foreigners are screwing us (we left...divorce is generally painful for the instigator)

This is costing more than i thought it would ( as opposed to the last 4 years of UK value destruction ?)

Why cant I Travel freely or live in europe ? ( hello - earth to brexiteers ???)

Why is [China ,Russia , USA (insert country as appropriate)] ....F*cking us over ? - (because we are not now within the protection of a large and powerful Group)

wonder where it will come first ....my bets on those lovely friendly US trade negotiations ......Trump must be laughing his orange wig off .......

welcome to the brave new world ......where my flag again ?

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tomorton

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just waiting for Brexit to truly unravel now .........

Thats not what we were promised (hate to say this but a few porkies were told by the brexiteers)

Those shifty foreigners are screwing us (we left...divorce is generally painful for the instigator)

This is costing more than i thought it would ( as opposed to the last 4 years of UK value destruction ?)

Why cant I Travel freely or live in europe ? ( hello - earth to brexiteers ???)

Why is [China ,Russia , USA (insert country as appropriate)] ....F*cking us over ? - (because we are not now within the protection of a large and powerful Group)

wonder where it will come first ....my bets on those lovely friendly US trade negotiations ......Trump must be laughing his orange wig off .......

welcome to the brave new world ......where my flag again ?

N
Trump and Putin will be happy we have left the EU because it makes the EU weaker as a competitor economic bloc. However, UK policy should not be designed with simple objectives like making Trump and Putin angry.

Most economists agree that the UK' economy will not grow as fast in the short term due to Brexit: also that it could possibly contract but not so much as to be called a recession. But for the long term they cannot make an accurate prediction.

The UK will only have the clout it can muster within its own resources in the future, in dealings with third party countries we will not be able to lean on the EU's support. But was that ever so great?

And the consolation is that the UK will continue to exist as a sovereign nation state.
 

hhiusa

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We knew this was coming. What I found most funny was reading the old posts here about how we would Bremain. We all knew this was coming.

As an American, I am loving this. The pound has really never been cheaper. Put futures options all around. I hope Boris botches the economy with Brexit. Hey, I should write Dr. Seuss books with that.

Now I would read that.

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cantagril

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This is a bit different from what the Doom-mongers were telling us!
This seems more than suspect to me and flies in the face of what NIssan were saying up until very recently - see link to article referenced by CityA.M:


I would suggest that the Japanese are doing exactly what they did a couple of years ago when after some threats (veiled and not so veiled) they extracted a promise from the UK government that Nissan's plant and their presence in the UK would be protected.

At the same time, for a couple of years now, Nissan have been playing the Spaniels citing amongst other things, the Catalonian political crisis as an excuse to move production elsewhere. It's worth noting that production at the Barcelona plant has fallen drastically for reasons that have little to do with Brexit.

And since we're talking Europe, also don't forget that the Nissans made in France are churned out of a Renault factory. After he'd saved the company and was therefore surplus to requirements, they (the Nips) got rid of Carlos and they're now well on the way to regaining sovereignty over their hunk of the group and reversing the measures that shifted the balance of power to the French. Withdrawing production from the Yvelines factory (or at least, threatening to do so) gives them a sizeable bargain chip with both Renault and the increasing shaky grasp on power of Monsieur Macaroon.

Imo, Trump is merely one of a long list of folk looking at Brexit as an opportunity and Nissan is somewhere on that list. That said, I find it quite charming that in this age of Realpolitik we can still display such a degree of naïveté in thinking that we're actually making new friends rather than losing old ones.
 

cantagril

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How does one put it? Sherlock without shed...

Eh?? Shed? Don't get it.

The only "Sherlock" expression that I'm aware of is ...more excremental.

...but yes, let us "Unleash our potential":ROFLMAO:...you just couldn't make this stuff up...ah, wait a mo, somebody did...
 

Atilla

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Eh?? Shed? Don't get it.

The only "Sherlock" expression that I'm aware of is ...more excremental.

...but yes, let us "Unleash our potential":ROFLMAO:...you just couldn't make this stuff up...ah, wait a mo, somebody did...
Maybe I was thinking no shed Sherlock. Don't recall what I was thinking or drinking. (y)
 
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