Brexit and the Consequences

Signalcalc

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If there is one single reason why we need a clean break, this is it. Macron talks empire, verhofstadt talks empire (at the illibdem conference of all places), May's administration tried hard to keep us in because of it. Global consequences for the 5 eyes community and NATO, nuclear defence, conscription.

EU Defence union, starts around 30 mins in.

 

Atilla

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They are the party who gave you the referendum and who bough majority in HoCs.

You really are living in an alternative reality aren't you.

Bordering on fascist dictatorship mentality where nothing will be quite good enough for you unless it conforms to your view of the World.
 

NVP

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is it just me halucinating or is Boris going to deliberately irritate and incite every european leader he meets over next 6 weeks in the hope that a few of them veto the deal on 31st October and throw us out

he has said he will not ask for an extension ....which means he would still be lying if they veto it ...as it means he would have still had to request it ....

but i do wonder .....jees it dosnt take much to upset chiron does it ?

N

what are the implications if the EU throw us out instead ? ...does that change anything in regards the process or rules ?
 

counter_violent

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is it just me halucinating or is Boris going to deliberately irritate and incite every european leader he meets over next 6 weeks in the hope that a few of them veto the deal on 31st October and throw us out

he has said he will not ask for an extension ....which means he would still be lying if they veto it ...as it means he would have still had to request it ....

but i do wonder .....jees it dosnt take much to upset chiron does it ?

N

what are the implications if the EU throw us out instead ? ...does that change anything in regards the process or rules ?
Who's chiron?

If the EU throw us out then this will play better to the UK home audience. We can then start the blame game both at the Europeans and any remain opposition parties.

Honestly....I never in my wildest dreams thought we would ever get this much mileage out of Brexit, but it has far surpassed my expectations. Argument of the century......ace ! (y)
 

Atilla

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Who's chiron?

If the EU throw us out then this will play better to the UK home audience. We can then start the blame game both at the Europeans and any remain opposition parties.

Honestly....I never in my wildest dreams thought we would ever get this much mileage out of Brexit, but it has far surpassed my expectations. Argument of the century......ace ! (y)

The argument of the century for Britons only.

EU and Europeans do not really care what we or the yanks do.

Self indulgence and intoxication with thy self has gone berzerk. Wait for the fallout.

There is a clear division of allegiances in the old Western alliance and a new strategy forming which will determine outlook for the next 10-20 years if not longer. This is clearly visible in the strains experienced by NATO. Not just here but also with members like Turkey which used to be a lynchpin for the US. US and UK are burning up their old alliances and turning friends into competitive opposition.

Who believes we will be led to the promised land by the likes of our great visionary leaders such as Boris, Farage, Moggy boy and Govey?

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timsk

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. . . EU and Europeans do not really care what we or the yanks do. . .
I beg to differ At',
Discontent with the EU among other member states is high and if we do finally manage to leave and survive - let alone prosper - then some of them may well follow suit. Non other than George Soros himself has stated repeatedly that the EU faces an existential crisis if it doesn't reform - something it shows no sign of doing. Soros isn't pumping hundreds of thousands of pounds into anti Brexit campaign groups just for the fun of it; he wants to stop Brexit because he knows the effect it will have on the EU. Talking of money, let's not forget the gaping hole in the EU's finances that will result from our departure. So, contrary to your assertion, I'd say the EU and Europeans care a great deal about Brexit and what we do.
Tim.
 

Atilla

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I beg to differ At',
Discontent with the EU among other member states is high and if we do finally manage to leave and survive - let alone prosper - then some of them may well follow suit. Non other than George Soros himself has stated repeatedly that the EU faces an existential crisis if it doesn't reform - something it shows no sign of doing. Soros isn't pumping hundreds of thousands of pounds into anti Brexit campaign groups just for the fun of it; he wants to stop Brexit because he knows the effect it will have on the EU. Talking of money, let's not forget the gaping hole in the EU's finances that will result from our departure. So, contrary to your assertion, I'd say the EU and Europeans care a great deal about Brexit and what we do.
Tim.
Gaping holes in US and UK budgets too alongside aging population and pension crises with rising tax burdens. What is the UK response? Cut taxation and stop young educated people migrating to the UK. LOL.

G1.
 

Signalcalc

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They are the party who gave you the referendum and who bough majority in HoCs.

You really are living in an alternative reality aren't you.

Bordering on fascist dictatorship mentality where nothing will be quite good enough for you unless it conforms to your view of the World.
Call me a fascist, call me a nazi, call me extreme whatever, the left and remainers have lost their marbles over Brexit, just as they have over Trump in the US.

What happened to that good old British spirit of being a good loser, of accepting you will have wait your turn, patience, etc?

52% have been very patient for the last 3+ years, 52% have kept their collective sh1t together, not resorted to insults, have maintained the argument, have kept discourse open.

The remoaner 48% appear to have been collectively taken over by some as yet unnamed disease or mental Illness, I can't wrap my head around it, it baffles me and millions of others, wheres it come from? What is the reason for it?

Everytime this question is asked, there is never an answer, never any rationale put forward, the question is dismissed with personal insults, a fascist, a Nazi, a racist and on it goes.

It's just wierd.
 

barjon

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Call me a fascist, call me a nazi, call me extreme whatever, the left and remainers have lost their marbles over Brexit, just as they have over Trump in the US.

What happened to that good old British spirit of being a good loser, of accepting you will have wait your turn, patience, etc?

52% have been very patient for the last 3+ years, 52% have kept their collective sh1t together, not resorted to insults, have maintained the argument, have kept discourse open.

The remoaner 48% appear to have been collectively taken over by some as yet unnamed disease or mental Illness, I can't wrap my head around it, it baffles me and millions of others, wheres it come from? What is the reason for it?

Everytime this question is asked, there is never an answer, never any rationale put forward, the question is dismissed with personal insults, a fascist, a Nazi, a racist and on it goes.

It's just wierd.
It may have escaped your notice that, Liberals aside, the referendum result has been accepted. The continuing argument since has been - and is - about how we leave, not whether we should do so. At the start everyone thought a deal would be forthcoming (except cv maybe :)) and the majority opinion is that no deal would be too damaging. The argument seems to be coalescing between “no deal is better than a bad deal” and “staying in is better than no deal”.

Oh, and just because one side loses it doesn’t preclude them for continuing to express their opinions however much you might like to duck away from uncomfortable truths.
 

Signalcalc

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It may have escaped your notice that, Liberals aside, the referendum result has been accepted. The continuing argument since has been - and is - about how we leave, not whether we should do so. At the start everyone thought a deal would be forthcoming (except cv maybe :)) and the majority opinion is that no deal would be too damaging. The argument seems to be coalescing between “no deal is better than a bad deal” and “staying in is better than no deal”.

Oh, and just because one side loses it doesn’t preclude them for continuing to express their opinions however much you might like to duck away from uncomfortable truths.
Well said and thankyou for not referring to leavers as fascists, nazi's, racists or any other insult that happens to be used by remoaners.

The term 'liberals' has become a joke, there isn't a liberal amongst them anymore.
 

Signalcalc

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It may have escaped your notice that, Liberals aside, the referendum result has been accepted. The continuing argument since has been - and is - about how we leave, not whether we should do so. At the start everyone thought a deal would be forthcoming (except cv maybe :)) and the majority opinion is that no deal would be too damaging. The argument seems to be coalescing between “no deal is better than a bad deal” and “staying in is better than no deal”.
I'm not sure if you have been following the news recently, Labour, Libdems, SNP, there isn't a left wing party that has accepted the referendum, they are all claiming to be 'the' party of remain, despite what Corbyn says, the rest of the Labour party are remain.

Show me a left wing political party that has accepted the result of the referendum and is commited to seeing it through deal or no-deal.
 

Signalcalc

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They are the party who gave you the referendum and who bough majority in HoCs.

You really are living in an alternative reality aren't you.

Bordering on fascist dictatorship mentality where nothing will be quite good enough for you unless it conforms to your view of the World.
Talking of fascists o_O

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timsk

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It may have escaped your notice that, Liberals aside, the referendum result has been accepted. . .
Hi Jon,
Joking aside and in all seriousness, only remain voters think this. Most - if not almost all leave voters - are of the view that the politicians and political commentators who say this actually think like Jo Swinson and the Illiberal Anti-democrats. They just aren't honest enough to say so. Gina Miller is perhaps the best example of this: I'd respect her more if she stopped pretending she's got no issue with Brexit and just wants to ensure parliament follows due process. It's so disingenuous and insincere. I will say one thing for the LibDems though: at least they've had the courage to come out and say what they really think and have dropped the pretence of wanting to abide by the referendum result even though they don't agree with it. There's a certain sort of honesty there - although I suspect it will backfire on them at the next general election - especially if BoJo does somehow manage to make Brexit happen on Oct' 31st. And, as Sig's cartoon neatly embodies, the other political parties will portray the LibDems as a party that's not only undemocratic but also one that can't be trusted.
Tim.
 

barjon

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Hi Jon,
Joking aside and in all seriousness, only remain voters think this. Most - if not almost all leave voters - are of the view that the politicians and political commentators who say this actually think like Jo Swinson and the Illiberal Anti-democrats. They just aren't honest enough to say so. Gina Miller is perhaps the best example of this: I'd respect her more if she stopped pretending she's got no issue with Brexit and just wants to ensure parliament follows due process. It's so disingenuous and insincere. I will say one thing for the LibDems though: at least they've had the courage to come out and say what they really think and have dropped the pretence of wanting to abide by the referendum result even though they don't agree with it. There's a certain sort of honesty there - although I suspect it will backfire on them at the next general election - especially if BoJo does somehow manage to make Brexit happen on Oct' 31st. And, as Sig's cartoon neatly embodies, the other political parties will portray the LibDems as a party that's not only undemocratic but also one that can't be trusted.
Tim.
Well you may be right , Tim, but I reckon if the backstop bit had been resolved we’d already be out, albeit not in a way that would please the hard liners.

Btw, what happened to that deal which was supposedly offered by the EU and on the point of being finalised by DD and crew before TM barged in? Very funny we’ve heard nothing about it since. You don’t think DD and crew rather egged the pudding in front of the select committee do you? Heaven forfend!!
 
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Signalcalc

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Well you may be right , Tim, but I reckon if the backstop bit had been resolved we’d already be out, albeit not in a way that would please the hard liners.

Btw, what happened to that deal which was supposedly offered by the EU and on the point of being finalised by DD and crew before TM barged in? Very funny we’ve heard nothing about it since. You don’t think DD and crew rather egged the pudding in front of the select committee do you? Heaven forfend!!
The backstop is a confected problem designed to frustrate the process, and it's worked. Whatever happened under the May administration can't be trusted, she is a remainer, sat next to (and most likely colluding with) Ken Clarke the arch remainer in the Tory party was just rubbing Boris's nose in it when he was stood at the ballot box recently, she was an absolute disgrace to the country along with her civil service minions, working on behalf of the EU to.........frustrate the process.
 

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