Hi At',I think it's more likely to be the quality of debate that has lost Cantagril's attention span.
Thank you for your kind words Tim, and I feel the same likewise about you and everyone else's help in setting me straight on some areas. That old adage two heads better than one certainly true. Thank goodness we have Parliament and HoLs to save us from our selves.Hi At',
I've participated/contributed to the comments section of a few YouTube channels devoted to Brexit and, based on those experiences, I can say with complete confidence that the standard of debate here on your thread is of a much higher standard than it is on YouTube. Okay, a few of us here (on both sides of the argument) can be a bit blunt and a bit rude occasionally - but it's thankfully devoid of the vitriol that some YouTubers dish out to anyone - regardless of what they write - based simply on which way they voted in the referendum. Whilst the same arguments do tend to get repeated ad nauseam, I can honestly say that I've learnt a lot from this thread (and the Brexit thread that that preceded it) and, in part, my views have been shaped as a result of it. I have you to thank for that - although I imagine you'll be disappointed that I started out as a default remainer pre-referendum and am now a keen Brexiteer! ;-)
Brexit Party will attract real Tories as opposed to all those fakers who might as well be LibLabCon MP dross, who make up the majority in the HOC. Tory party split as MP's jump One way or the other post EU election drubbing. Maybe the Brexit Party will break through into mainstream politics.I just find it highly suspicious that 40% of Tory councillors appear to be defecting in some way to the Brexit party. Is there a cynical takeover going on to prevent the Tories from collapsing into a heap or is it genuine defection from the Tories?
Devastating poll shows 40% of Tory councillors back the Brexit Party
The exclusive Mail on Sunday survey shows that an astonishing 40 per cent of Conservative councillors are planning to vote for Nigel Farage’s new Brexit Party in May’s European elections.mol.im
Or is this the daily rag stirring it up, whilst promoting the Brexit party?
Looks to me to be more of a protest vote against the current Tory leadership, EU elections don't really matter to Tory Eurosceptics, MEP''s won't be there as soon as we exit.Brexit Party will attract real Tories as opposed to all those fakers who might as well be LibLabCon MP dross, who make up the majority in the HOC. Tory party split as MP's jump One way or the other post EU election drubbing. Maybe the Brexit Party will break through into mainstream politics.
As far as I can see, there will be just One outcome to all this. The people continually voting for any party who puts their name to a No Deal exit. After the dust settles, the EU will come begging for a trade deal.
It appears the compromises that would have to be made (ie BRINO) to appease remainers are compromises too far.I’ve been lounging on my sunbed by the pool for the past couple of weeks and musing gently about Brexit.
With all this talk of betrayal etc it seems to have escaped notice that the Government is doing its damndest to leave and deliver on the voice of the people (well, 52% of them anyway). Ah, I hear you say, but May’s deal is leaving in name only. Well, if you’ve taken the trouble to read it you will know that it is much more than that - as well as protecting our trade (particularly services) for the future.
So what about “no deal”? Yup, that would get us out without any obligations to the EU unless, of course, we wish to interact and trade with them in which case it would be on WTO terms. That would mean we would immediately have to accept a whole raft of EU rules and regulations in order to trade with them and our services (probably our most important sector nowadays) would be less protected than under May’s deal. This is probably worth a read https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf .
I still really struggle to see how we would be better off overall out of the EU and I also struggle to see how we can just do whatever we want after having “taken back control”. After all, unless you want to be a hermit you have to take account of other people if you want to interact with them. Life (and politics) is about compromise.