Brexit and the Consequences

Signalcalc

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Here's some more racists (I'm having trouble figuring out what race has to do with Brexit, maybe a leftie can explain)? o_O

 

Atilla

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Still missing the point I see. What is the point of having a vote if anti-democratic politicians see fit to not implement such a vote?

Answer - there is no point. What has 3 years of political meddling achieved when it could have been so simple.
Hi SC,

From my perspective, I'm afraid you still don't understand the errors of judgement that is inherent in public perception of our politicians. You are also in denial about our great parliament and how it works.

First off Cameron or Osborn saying they'll do this and they'll do that are simply campaign pledges. What they say does not become law. What any politician says does not become law and should not be perceived in that way.

imo Politicians are a little like tortured souls who will say anything to get and retain power. So when Boris said they'll give £350m to the NHS on the side of that red bus, he really should have also said Wales will no longer get regional aid from the EU rebates because ALL of it will be given to the NHS. Then the Welsh Assembly and people could have made a real informed vote on Brexit. As it happens they too are not happy. Scotts and NI peeps aren't happy either. So many broken promises on all sides.

You see these campaign slogans and words and so called promises aren't really what they are made up to be. They do not become law - until our Sovereign Parliament gets to debate and vote on those expressions of interest before it does.


So all those people out their banging their drum about the narrow referendum vote (purely advisory) for Parliament to debate and vote on simply DO NOT understand and equally worse do not recognise the other 48% of the vote to remain in.


Cameron did recognise that he made a grave error of judgement and stepped down because he realised he told a pack of lies and could not deliver, had no desire to deliver and no doubt understood what it meant to even attempt to deliver Brexit.


Simple Brexit indeed. Easiest in History. Rest of the World queuing up to Trade with us.


In fact, I heard one lady on telly the other night who said Italy has now piped down rhetoric after EU citizens have seen what a mess the great UK government have become after their love affair over Brexit. No more desire in their politicians trumpeting Italy to leave the EU. So Brexit is really helping the unification and solidarity amongst members in the EU.


Having said all that, our politicians are NOT anti-democratic. They are simply doing their job with Parliament looking out for the interest of the nation representing the true will of the people coz lies will not be tolerated in Parliament unlike our MSM media which you are so fond of selective promotion.

(y)
 

cantagril

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Here's some more racists (I'm having trouble figuring out what race has to do with Brexit, maybe a leftie can explain)? o_O
OK, I'm game...even though strictly speaking I don't fall neatly into the leftie bracket - for some reason I'm reminded of the saying "Leftie loosy - Rightie Tighty.":

As you so pertinently drew attention to the gathering of racists and the fact that there were some as yet unlynched darkies amongst them, I feel I should point out that racism ain't what it used to be. Gone are those halcyon days of clarity and "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". Like a great deal of language, use and abuse has diluted the original meanings to suit the present users' ends. I can now score points by branding someone "racist" when really I mean "xenophobe".... and anyway "racist" has only two syllables and is a word that fits neatly into headlines and doesn't need looking up in the dictionary. Xenophobia can have an entirely rational basis where racism cannot and it depends almost entirely on prejudice, whether unjustified or justified. These days, when I shout rude things about the Belgians (or the Welsh - one of my favourite targets) I find that somehow I've gone from being a proud chauvinist to something that I don't recognise or understand.

Possibly because of my residual Englishness, I am filled with a degree of cultural shame - not because of what we once were but what we have become. I realise now that I too am not what I thought I was and that there is a perfectly good reason (by today's standards) for my self-loathing and embarrassment: I'm a racist.

...and I nearly forgot to give a nod to the Brexit bit. It's time for a song again and those paragons of all that is good in England knew what was what, what?

"Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?"

 
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Signalcalc

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Hi SC,

From my perspective, I'm afraid you still don't understand the errors of judgement that is inherent in public perception of our politicians. You are also in denial about our great parliament and how it works.

First off Cameron or Osborn saying they'll do this and they'll do that are simply campaign pledges. What they say does not become law. What any politician says does not become law and should not be perceived in that way.

imo Politicians are a little like tortured souls who will say anything to get and retain power. So when Boris said they'll give £350m to the NHS on the side of that red bus, he really should have also said Wales will no longer get regional aid from the EU rebates because ALL of it will be given to the NHS. Then the Welsh Assembly and people could have made a real informed vote on Brexit. As it happens they too are not happy. Scotts and NI peeps aren't happy either. So many broken promises on all sides.

You see these campaign slogans and words and so called promises aren't really what they are made up to be. They do not become law - until our Sovereign Parliament gets to debate and vote on those expressions of interest before it does.


So all those people out their banging their drum about the narrow referendum vote (purely advisory) for Parliament to debate and vote on simply DO NOT understand and equally worse do not recognise the other 48% of the vote to remain in.


Cameron did recognise that he made a grave error of judgement and stepped down because he realised he told a pack of lies and could not deliver, had no desire to deliver and no doubt understood what it meant to even attempt to deliver Brexit.


Simple Brexit indeed. Easiest in History. Rest of the World queuing up to Trade with us.


In fact, I heard one lady on telly the other night who said Italy has now piped down rhetoric after EU citizens have seen what a mess the great UK government have become after their love affair over Brexit. No more desire in their politicians trumpeting Italy to leave the EU. So Brexit is really helping the unification and solidarity amongst members in the EU.


Having said all that, our politicians are NOT anti-democratic. They are simply doing their job with Parliament looking out for the interest of the nation representing the true will of the people coz lies will not be tolerated in Parliament unlike our MSM media which you are so fond of selective promotion.

(y)
You contradict yourself, one the one hand politicians are liars for votes, on the other our great parliament is just doing its job, upholding democracy and looking out for the interests of the nation.

What is it to be, it can’t be both?

You are deluding yourself because we all know what politicians are and are not, are you trying to hoodwink a class of 3 year old here ?
 

Atilla

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You contradict yourself, one the one hand politicians are liars for votes, on the other our great parliament is just doing its job, upholding democracy and looking out for the interests of the nation.

What is it to be, it can’t be both?

You are deluding yourself because we all know what politicians are and are not, are you trying to hoodwink a class of 3 year old here ?

Matey it is a process. They may have the best intentions in the World. It's possible Boris not exactly the brightest of sparks much like your self and CV may have misunderstood him self how the EU works or what a rebate is or how much UK gets. You can put all kinds of reasonable arguments which can make one go arrrgghhh ?


Point remains, it is Parliament that debates, votes on and passes laws. Not one or two politicians shouting slogans to win votes, hearts and minds.


How those actual laws get enacted is the nitty gritty bit you fail to grasp.


fwiw I saw Tim Loughton few days ago with just 'one' of his minions. Yesterday evening I saw Labour peeps wearing their rosettes calling door to door along Brighton Road. I counted 5 on one street. Window posters already up. Labour working hard. Tories becoming endangered species, facing extinction around here.


:eek:
 

Atilla

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OK, I'm game...even though strictly speaking I don't fall neatly into the leftie bracket - for some reason I'm reminded of the saying "Leftie loosy - Rightie Tighty.":

As you so pertinently drew attention to the gathering of racists and the fact that there were some as yet unlynched darkies amongst them, I feel I should point out that racism ain't what it used to be. Gone are those halcyon days of clarity and "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". Like a great deal of language, use and abuse has diluted the original meanings to suit the present users' ends. I can now score points by branding someone "racist" when really I mean "xenophobe".... and anyway "racist" has only two syllables and is a word that fits neatly into headlines and doesn't need looking up in the dictionary. Xenophobia can have an entirely rational basis where racism cannot and it depends almost entirely on prejudice, whether unjustified or justified. These days, when I shout rude things about the Belgians (or the Welsh - one of my favourite targets) I find that somehow I've gone from being a proud chauvinist to something that I don't recognise or understand.

Possibly because of my residual Englishness, I am filled with a degree of cultural shame - not because of what we once were but what we have become. I realise now that I too am not what I thought I was and that there is a perfectly good reason (by today's standards) for my self-loathing and embarrassment: I'm a racist.

...and I nearly forgot to give a nod to the Brexit bit. It's time for a song again and those paragons of all that is good in England knew what was what, what?

"Darling you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go?"

LOL thanks for volunteering for the leftie bracket old bean. Indeed you are brave to step forward on such an emotive and most divisive delicate subject matter.

I wouldn't be so humble as you to feel any shame as if it is a genuine feeling then best to let it out rather than keeping it in as my dear mummy always likes to remind me.

I would like to simply point out that there is a bluring distinction between prejudice (some call this unconscious bias) and racism. Whether we like it or not we all have them. One can often see this at play on the fringes when one gets into public transport where there is a choice of seating available. I appreciate this may sound silly but it nevertheless imo makes the grand point.

I do like the independents and really adore Anna Soubry. I'd love to sit next to her. :love::love::love:
 

Signalcalc

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Matey it is a process. They may have the best intentions in the World. It's possible Boris not exactly the brightest of sparks much like your self and CV may have misunderstood him self how the EU works or what a rebate is or how much UK gets. You can put all kinds of reasonable arguments which can make one go arrrgghhh ?
What a crock, I'm sure you understand perfectly why myself and CV voted leave.


Point remains, it is Parliament that debates, votes on and passes laws. Not one or two politicians shouting slogans to win votes, hearts and minds.


How those actual laws get enacted is the nitty gritty bit you fail to grasp.
Yes they passed a law called Article 50 with an exit date 2 weeks ago, simples! We all know how parliament is supposed to operate, it's called democracy, alas they have shown themselves not to follow those particular rules and just gone ahead with their own loser plan.

fwiw I saw Tim Loughton few days ago with just 'one' of his minions. Yesterday evening I saw Labour peeps wearing their rosettes calling door to door along Brighton Road. I counted 5 on one street. Window posters already up. Labour working hard. Tories becoming endangered species, facing extinction around here.


:eek:
So you think Tories replaced with Labour will bring about any change? Poor misguided fool you are.

Tories should face extinction on a wider scale and take the LibLab cabal with them, not holding much hope for it though as daft people will continue to vote for them.
 

Signalcalc

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LOL thanks for volunteering for the leftie bracket old bean. Indeed you are brave to step forward on such an emotive and most divisive delicate subject matter.
Nothing leftie about it, well, maybe the self loathing, self hating and guilt trip aspects are.

I wouldn't be so humble as you to feel any shame as if it is a genuine feeling then best to let it out rather than keeping it in as my dear mummy always likes to remind me.
But you must if explaining the leftie PoV

I would like to simply point out that there is a bluring distinction between prejudice (some call this unconscious bias) and racism. Whether we like it or not we all have them. One can often see this at play on the fringes when one gets into public transport where there is a choice of seating available. I appreciate this may sound silly but it nevertheless imo makes the grand point.
Straight out of the leftie playbook, silly it is yes, I agree with you.

I do like the independents and really adore Anna Soubry. I'd love to sit next to her. :love::love::love:
Soubrey is a racist and a bigot, you would be in good company.
 

Atilla

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Nothing leftie about it, well, maybe the self loathing, self hating and guilt trip aspects are.

You go around calling others bigoted and opinionated ladiladilaaa but you are not much different are you.

But you must if explaining the leftie PoV

My reference to shame has nothing to do with being a leftie or not. Don't do empathy or regret. It's life. Learn to deal with it. :)

Straight out of the leftie playbook, silly it is yes, I agree with you.



Soubrey is a racist and a bigot, you would be in good company.
Anna Soubry is a hard working very smart lady who has held a number of important posts in government. She is more informed and better educated than most.

Bigoted opinions are cheap and most peeps have a kilogram or two in their possessions. Hard work, brains and experience more difficult to come by.

You really are brandishing this racist label a lot aren't you? Every other blog carries the racist label. You feeling ok?

Are you a racist as well or are you pure gold or made of something perhaps even better?

(y)
 

Signalcalc

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Anna Soubry is a hard working very smart lady who has held a number of important posts in government. She is more informed and better educated than most.

Bigoted opinions are cheap and most peeps have a kilogram or two in their possessions. Hard work, brains and experience more difficult to come by.

You really are brandishing this racist label a lot aren't you? Every other blog carries the racist label. You feeling ok?

Are you a racist as well or are you pure gold or made of something perhaps even better?

(y)

Racist....

LOL I'm sure they are all fine upright standing ladies n gentlemen of the finest pure white breed. ;)
Bigot....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2645720/Another-goal-Tories-The-minister-says-constituents-racist.html

https://www.politicmag.net/politics-news/brexit-news-dorries-says-soubrys-speech-worst-moment-ever-in-chamber-politics-news-uk-1472-2018/

How you manage to hold up Soubrey as your new hero as someone clever is beyond me, that is like you saying Farage is a hero and clever to a Brexiteer, what's the difference?

The difference is one has actually achieved something: Farage and Brexit, whereas Soubrey is a traitor to her own party and a bigot thrown in with it! Good grief man, get a grip. Which one of these two is the more clever, really (be honest with yourself)?
 

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Stockpiles of anti-Brexit economic news running low
https://reaction.life/stockpiles-anti-brexit-economic-news-running-low/
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"The UK posted stronger-than-forecast first quarter GDP after consensus economists were once again surprised by stronger than expected gains.

GDP gained 0.2% from January, when it jumped 0.5%, economists had expected output to flat-line. The pickup in February was broad based, with manufacturing rising 0.9% and construction gaining 0.4%. Good luck to remainers attibuting the rise in construction to “stockpiling”…

The trade deficit narrowed marginally in February. Exports rose and there was little evidence in the data of firms supposedly hoarding foreign goods in case of a no-deal Brexit, with imports falling in both value and volume terms. Pharma was an exception – suggesting there will be no interruption in supplies in the event of a no deal exit.

GDP grew at the fastest rate since 2017. Despite Brexit!"
 

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