Brexit and the Consequences

Atilla

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There's probably not much danger of it ending even if the vote goes the wrong way by a few percent - I'm sure the Continuers would be able to keep stringing it along for years through a series of debates and votes designed to frustrate the Enders until finally it would be euthanised by the EU Sharky..... or maybe just continue just as things were before the first vote to End it.
Wow that's a loaded statement dude. Mamamia!

Which direction, constitutes the wrong way? Clarification required :eek::LOL::eek: :love:
 

NVP

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Uncertainty costs time and money. Everybody loses.

Colossal waste of two years plus reputational damage.

Hope lessons learned worth it? (y)

the MP's will learn lessons from it ?.......jees thats a stretch.....
 

NVP

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we are out in canaries at moment and visiting a lot of friends who live out here .........one of the old guys that lives here actually voted to exit the EU because he still hates germans .....and he loves to be contentious

some of us explained to him that unless he takes spanish residence we brits will soon come under the Schengen agreement where non europeans can only spend 6 months a year in europe (max 90 days in any 180 day cycle) and he would not be able to live out there anymore......

he was furious and said no one told him that

laughed i nearly cried ..........

god bless the old-uns in this country
 

0007

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If you are interested in the sovereignty aspects of Brexit (as opposed to the economics) you may find this explanation by Prof. Vernon Bognador (leading UK constitutional expert) of interest. The first part of his talk covers how parliamentary sovereignty (as opposed to national sovereignty) has transferred to the control of the courts/judiciary during EU membership; and how Brexit (if enacted truly) will reverse it to the former arrangements. Put simply - how Brexit could take back control.

It's quite a long piece - so you'll need a quiet cup of tea or only a very mild sharpener if you're to maintain concentration. He does however explain it all very succintly. If on the other hand it's of no interest to you but you are having difficulty in getting to sleep at night, this could be a lot more effective than a bottle of pills!

 

Signalcalc

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we are out in canaries at moment and visiting a lot of friends who live out here .........one of the old guys that lives here actually voted to exit the EU because he still hates germans .....and he loves to be contentious

some of us explained to him that unless he takes spanish residence we brits will soon come under the Schengen agreement where non europeans can only spend 6 months a year in europe (max 90 days in any 180 day cycle) and he would not be able to live out there anymore......

he was furious and said no one told him that

laughed i nearly cried ..........

god bless the old-uns in this country
Is this another remainer misconception or just cracking a joke with friends?

It's not quite as you explain Schengen:

https://www.etiasvisa.com/schengen-visa
 

Atilla

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Reflecting on the referendum and the assault on democracy touted by all the non-experts, increasingly it is not so much the will of the British people that is the sticking point but more the reasons why the referendum was called, the way it was organised and conducted and the consequences on many businesses and lives in the UK resulting from a very narrow difference.

I sincerely hope that once Article 50 is cancelled, the new dedicated Brexit Party formed by Nigel Farage can forge the way towards Brexit in future elections. He will need time to setup and prepare his party so this really would help all sides in the debate. Let the stewing pot settle a little. People get a grip on events and then onwards and forwards we can all roll.

It will ultimately be the best way to wrap up the last couple of years.

I don't feel the Tories or Labour are electable anyhow. LibDems also, have some more soul searching to perform as Vince Cable announced he is stepping down. By then I also hope each of these parties will have new elected leaders too. Get rid of dead wood. :)


The future is certainly very exciting. Should help sell some more papers.
 

Atilla

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I agree with that statement and that was announced some time ago that legally we can leave the EU without having to pay a penny, nothing at all.

That's always been the case.

The transition period as it was initially referred to (Supposedly not required by UK and we would only agree to one if EU wanted one - according to Davies at the start of negotiations) is required for sure. Especially, in light of the last two wasted years by Tories and in particular TM's planning team.


Given the incompetence of UK.Gov stock of MPs are the British public really ready to hand governance to these useless self serving privileged few?
 

barjon

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I agree with that statement and that was announced some time ago that legally we can leave the EU without having to pay a penny, nothing at all.

That's always been the case.

The transition period as it was initially referred to (Supposedly not required by UK and we would only agree to one if EU wanted one - according to Davies at the start of negotiations) is required for sure. Especially, in light of the last two wasted years by Tories and in particular TM's planning team.


Given the incompetence of UK.Gov stock of MPs are the British public really ready to hand governance to these useless self serving privileged few?
Whatever we might be able to do legally if we walked away without paying so much as a penny piece it would be reneging on obligations which we would be expected to honour. Not doing so would leave our reputation for fair dealing in tatters and who would trust us then?
 

Atilla

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Whatever we might be able to do legally if we walked away without paying so much as a penny piece it would be reneging on obligations which we would be expected to honour. Not doing so would leave our reputation for fair dealing in tatters and who would trust us then?
Legal law states we do not have any obligations to the EU. UK looking fool hardy in negotiations not knowing what she wants. I don't see what's trust got to do with it as legally we are in the right. It's simply business negotiations. Beg to differ here.

It is merely payment for working out transition dues whilst the new arrangements worked out. What obligations cost £39bn?

Similar to golf club membership, we make annual payments to the club and once we leave, that's it. £39bn is a lot of money.

I'm still struggling with the £39bn for a withdrawal agreement that doesn't give us any future deal. EU says we must first leave before working out new arrangement. Ok so we leave first and keep our £39bn. I always thought that'll be money establishing some new trading agreement. Not fees to demonstrate intentions to start one.

They are playing hard ball game and given those terms I'd simply leave let the dust settle and then embark on some new arrangement if desirable otherwise WTO rules. Not ideal but better than paying £39bn for nothing.


I'm all for the EU and the deal we have now is the best one we're going to get and I really think Brexiteers, TM and Tories messed up big time. The referendum, the withdrawal agreement and our current predicament beyond any repair at the mo, imo.

Best way forward is to cancel Article 50 let the dust settle and UK to elect new leaders and allow course of events to unfold in whichever outcome transpires. (y)
 

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