Terrorist Attacks in London?

History tends to be viewed from only the personal localised perspective.
As has already been mentioned, Russia suffered by far the greatest in WW2, yet we see only the "relatively" small losses by the UK and the US.

America itself, while it stayed neutral, made money as its companies continued to manufacture on behalf of Hitler, notably Ford Motor Company.

The general reference to the French being cowardly insults the valour of the Free French.
( their losses already described )
The Polish Air Force squadrons fought alongside the British in its time of need, and were repaid when their own country was liberated by the british.
Canadians, sensing the urgency of the unfolding horror in Europe travelled and volunteered to fight out of personal conscience.

Most of the US economic achievements were because of the plundering of the german scientific elite.
( would America have reached the moon without the Nazi-V2 rocket scientist Werner von Braun ? )

Even if we give due credit to the US for liberating Europe from discrimination and tyrrany, why did it take another twenty years before america gave their own black population equal rights.
( in germany, if you were a jew, you wore a yellow star as a badge to identify you as different and a lesser human being. in america, you wore your badge in the colour of your skin. )

I am sure america is a good country, but the majority are being fooled into following a short-sighted and narrow-viewpointed administration.
( The majority US tax-payers are shouldering the burden of the "war on terror", but the minority well-connected businessmen are gettign lucrative contracts to sell Iraqi oil for their own profit, "rebuild Iraq" for their own profit. The "spoils of war" go to the few, while the majority pay for it. )

Historians like to say how many american lives were saved by the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The saving of so many adult men by the obliteration of so may innocent women and children.

What if someone told you the "war on terror" could be solved as quickly. That so many highly trained soldiers, men who have chosen to devote their lives to the art of human butchery, could be saved by the nuclear bombing of any two cities, resulting in the obliteration of homes, schools, hospitals.

Which two cities would you choose to bomb ?

Today is a time, more now than anytime on the last few years, to see beyond the simplistic, tabloid stereotypes, and realise that the solution comes from genuinely believing in equality, human rights, and civil liberties, based on basic values, not on whether you can get multi-billion dollar military contracts, and turning a blind-eye to suppression.
 
trendie said:
History tends to be viewed from only the personal localised perspective.
As has already been mentioned, Russia suffered by far the greatest in WW2, yet we see only the "relatively" small losses by the UK and the US.

America itself, while it stayed neutral, made money as its companies continued to manufacture on behalf of Hitler, notably Ford Motor Company.

The general reference to the French being cowardly insults the valour of the Free French.
( their losses already described )
The Polish Air Force squadrons fought alongside the British in its time of need, and were repaid when their own country was liberated by the british.
Canadians, sensing the urgency of the unfolding horror in Europe travelled and volunteered to fight out of personal conscience.

Most of the US economic achievements were because of the plundering of the german scientific elite.
( would America have reached the moon without the Nazi-V2 rocket scientist Werner von Braun ? )

Even if we give due credit to the US for liberating Europe from discrimination and tyrrany, why did it take another twenty years before america gave their own black population equal rights.
( in germany, if you were a jew, you wore a yellow star as a badge to identify you as different and a lesser human being. in america, you wore your badge in the colour of your skin. )

I am sure america is a good country, but the majority are being fooled into following a short-sighted and narrow-viewpointed administration.
( The majority US tax-payers are shouldering the burden of the "war on terror", but the minority well-connected businessmen are gettign lucrative contracts to sell Iraqi oil for their own profit, "rebuild Iraq" for their own profit. The "spoils of war" go to the few, while the majority pay for it. )

Historians like to say how many american lives were saved by the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The saving of so many adult men by the obliteration of so may innocent women and children.

What if someone told you the "war on terror" could be solved as quickly. That so many highly trained soldiers, men who have chosen to devote their lives to the art of human butchery, could be saved by the nuclear bombing of any two cities, resulting in the obliteration of homes, schools, hospitals.

Which two cities would you choose to bomb ?

Today is a time, more now than anytime on the last few years, to see beyond the simplistic, tabloid stereotypes, and realise that the solution comes from genuinely believing in equality, human rights, and civil liberties, based on basic values, not on whether you can get multi-billion dollar military contracts, and turning a blind-eye to suppression.
O.K.
 
pttrader said:
so the U.S. had nothing to do with the war being won? It was won because the Japs and Hitler messed up?

No, you need to read my post more closely. The point is, if Japan hadn't attacked the USA, when would the USA have seen fit to join the global war, that she has already dodged for two years?

The US didn't simply come riding in to rescue the world from the Nazis, it had to save itself from tyranny too.
 
trendie said:
The Polish Air Force squadrons fought alongside the British in its time of need, and were repaid when their own country was liberated by the british./QUOTE]

If only that were true!

One in eight Battle of Britain pilots were Polish, and they were the best pilots, having already fought over the skies of Poland in Black September and over the skies of northern France. The had plenty of battle experience.

They Polish pilots had the highest kill ratio of all participants.

Biggils didn't win it in a Spitfire. It was a narrow victory, swung by the Poles in Hurricanes.

And what did we do to repay the Polish?

France and Britain had to declare war on Germany, as both countries had a treaty with Poland to that effect. And in the end we let the Russians keep Poland! Roosevelt wasn't too fussed as long as the war ended, Churchill was seething.

And to add insult to injury, the British submit to Stalin's wishes, and ban the Poles from marching down the Mall in the victory parade. The Argentinians who joined the war three weeks from the end, without fighting, marched down the Mall.

That's what you might call being shafted!
 
zigglewigler said:
No, you need to read my post more closely. The point is, if Japan hadn't attacked the USA, when would the USA have seen fit to join the global war, that she has already dodged for two years?
Nope, we probally wouldn't have gotton involved. Isn't strange that today when we do get involved we get hammered on by others. So, what does the world want us to do get in or stay out? As you know it has been out in the news OBL group is in Iraq and even taken responsibility for the hotels in Jordan. ..etc. So, may I ask what are we to do? Go after OBL group or leave them alone? They are in Iraq. Should we leave them there or go after them?

QUOTE=The US didn't simply come riding in to rescue the world from the Nazis, it had to save itself from tyranny too.[ From who? Hitler? He hadn't even made it over here. Lucky for the rest of the world we decided to join. We only did so because Japan attacked us and when we get attacked ..well as Patton said "americans like a good war": so we kicked tail. Know what i mean man?

P.S. I have a book written by and signed by Pattons personal aid. Fortunately, for the rest of the world we had 2 good kick butt generals, MacArthur and Patton. Churchill was a great leader and he knew that for the war to be won the U.S. had to get involved. My uncle marched across the snow in Germany with Patton. The germans would march just so they could surrender to Patton! That says something about the man. I must say Churchill saved England by his leadership. Without him you guys were goners. Without the ole meddling USA well there is no telling how the war would have ended. You might be speaking German or flying around in a zero. It is just so hard for you to acknowledge anything the US has done to save your countries hide isn't it? With all this anti-american sentiment floating around you just can't bring yourself to say that US involvment was critical to the winning of the war. Then after the war we paid to rebuild Japan and Germany. So how is that? Whip our enemy's then stoop down to help them out. But we are still labeled the "ugly american". So, because that the world is against America I am against the world. The US should pull out of the UN. The US should pull all troops out of all countries. The US should cancel ALL trade Agreements. The US should discover a new energy source and get off foreign oil. We can do it. we have the technology. Then the Arabs would cry for our business! The US should kick out ALL illegals. The US should only allow english on all packaging..drivers license instructions..etc. The US should stop ALL foreign aid (by the way whose choppers was it that was FIRST flying to rescue people in the Tsunamia? US of course). So the world doesn't like us..then don't help the world. Let them handle their own wars and own problems. Stop ALL transfer of all US technology. Allow NO foreigners in our Universities to learn our technology. Become an isolationist nation. Build star wars so no nation would dare attack us. Sounding better and better...goodbye world.. No biggest market in the world to buy your goods and to make you rich...good bye world...
 
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pttrader said:
No biggest market in the world to buy your goods and to make you rich...good bye world...

Yeah, then we foreigners would dump the dollar and your currency hence disappears down the toilet. :LOL:
 
zigglewigler said:
Yeah, then we foreigners would dump the dollar and your currency hence disappears down the toilet. :LOL:
Sounds good to me! We will start all over with a new currency based on gold. Dump it! The faster the better.
 
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Hello, pttrader,
this link was posted before:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Have your read it? For it is not just any wooly thinking. It is a peer reviewed paper by an American Physicist no less!

Can you find any fault with the hypothesis presented in the paper. And do the facts of a limited investigation as established therin sit well with your world view and your regard of your self?

Many thanks for your thoughtfull reply.
 
sp1 said:
Hello, pttrader,
this link was posted before:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Have your read it? For it is not just any wooly thinking. It is a peer reviewed paper by an American Physicist no less!

Can you find any fault with the hypothesis presented in the paper. And do the facts of a limited investigation as established therin sit well with your world view and your regard of your self?

Many thanks for your thoughtfull reply.
so who would done it and why? For what reason and how would they have gotton the airplanes hijakers to agree to the plot...etc. Or did the terroroist plant the explosives in that building or what? If they didn't then who did?
 
hmm interesting read....... michael moorer raised a point about OBL being given a three month head start by the elite forces after the attack? spin and disinformation everywhere.. maybe need to open an X file on this one.... crikey.. hmm by the way who shot JFK ? lordy..... pttrader let us know what you americans find out on this one... all governments lie right ? or disinform (for our best interests of course) and yet they like to preach moral values and how to live your life as a good citizen... very grey areas. can we get honest leaders someday.... has there been any..... must be a tough job.....
 
fxmarkets said:
hmm interesting read....... michael moorer raised a point about OBL being given a three month head start by the elite forces after the attack? spin and disinformation everywhere.. maybe need to open an X file on this one.... crikey.. hmm by the way who shot JFK ? lordy..... pttrader let us know what you americans find out on this one... all governments lie right ? or disinform (for our best interests of course) and yet they like to preach moral values and how to live your life as a good citizen... very grey areas. can we get honest leaders someday.... has there been any..... must be a tough job.....
Michael Moore LOL!!! here is an article on ole mikey boy. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47174 Here is another. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47060 Me thinks his motive and actions are well.....questionable IMO . Here is yet another one: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47233

and another

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47245

You guys will have to come up with better stuff than people only "talk the walk but don't walk the talk"

Here are some comments. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3267

Look at this site. Note post 11and the link in this post, also see posts 13, 15,16, 19,20,26,29,30

How could all this supposed planning go off so smooth??
 
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pttrader said:
Michael Moore LOL!!!

You guys will have to come up with better stuff than people only "talk the walk but don't walk the talk"
he's a funny guy to watch..... thank you :)
 
pttrader said:
so who would done it and why? For what reason and how would they have gotton the airplanes hijakers to agree to the plot...etc. Or did the terroroist plant the explosives in that building or what? If they didn't then who did?

What a load of b*lls*it !

Obviously this "physicist" has no other thing to do and must be a complete failure in whatever he's doing... so what better to do for earning some quick money? become another "conspiracy theorist" and write some cr@p - which at some stage will sell as an autobiography etc... or make a damn movie!

I'm no great admirer of "cowboy" Dubya and his henchmen, but this seems too far-fetched...
 
karmit said:
What a load of b*lls*it !

Obviously this "physicist" has no other thing to do and must be a complete failure in whatever he's doing... so what better to do for earning some quick money? become another "conspiracy theorist" and write some cr@p - which at some stage will sell as an autobiography etc... or make a damn movie!

I'm no great admirer of "cowboy" Dubya and his henchmen, but this seems too far-fetched...
I can't believe I finally found a Brit who agrees that this conspiracy theory is fertilizer for the garden. Thank you sir!
 
hmmm i can understand his point though about the building that collapsed straight into its own footprint? maybe just coincedence , but might raise an eyebrow of oddity for some.
 
fxmarkets said:
hmmm i can understand his point though about the building that collapsed straight into its own footprint? maybe just coincedence , but might raise an eyebrow of oddity for some.
How else were they to fall since the planes didn't knock them over. They had no way to go but straight down.
 
I thought a building of that size to naturally fall because of ? as you say no plane flew into the no. 7 building and to get a building to collapse contained within its own footprint takes very specialized demolition. but perhaps they were designed to implode on themselves anyway.

Interesting paper though..

hmm one of his main observations was that the symmetry of the buildings collapse which wasn't hit by a plane was too exact to be natural collapse due to fire, which he argues wouldnt of been intense enough anyway, hence he wants more thorough examination of the steel melting points. this with the buildings symmetrical drop straight down into its own footprint in 6 seconds seems like a remarkable exact demo job.
 
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fxmarkets said:
I thought a building of that size to naturally fall because of ? as you say no plane flew into the no. 7 building and to get a building to collapse contained within its own footprint takes very specialized demolition. but perhaps they were designed to implode on themselves anyway.

Interesting paper though..

hmm one of his main observations was that the symmetry of the buildings collapse which wasn't hit by a plane was too exact to be natural collapse due to fire, which he argues wouldnt of been intense enough anyway, hence he wants more thorough examination of the steel melting points. this with the buildings symmetrical drop straight down into its own footprint in 6 seconds seems like a remarkable exact demo job.
The point is he puts forth the theory that all the buildings were rigged with explosives. At least that is my understanding. But to do so would require alot of cable and explosive set at key locations. It would seem almost impossible that nobody in the buildings would have never seen this work going on. It ain't like you can just hide a few explosives and a wire or two and bring a building of that size down. Demolition teams I imagine take a few days at best to rigg a building. Is is possible that this could have been done and NO one know about it? Very unl ikely.
 
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