Sticky How can T2W better serve its community?

[foroom lluzers]

Fair enough.

You say your "own thread" but could you be a little more specific, please.

Which of the 60 threads you've started since April are you referring to?

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/ind...ndices-dow-dax-nasdaq-s-p-64.html#post2935160

 

[timsk]

In fairness, Timsk did say he'd make Sharky and the Mods aware of this recent feedback and would comment when they had considered it.

Hi all,
I said I'd reply on the specific issue raised by cantagril in this post about modifying the existing 'ignore' feature - once I had consulted Sharky and the Mods. Thank you to those of you who had faith in me - apologies for the delay.

In a nutshell, the suggestion cantagril made is to add a statistic that would appear on each member's profile page and/or beneath their avatar to the left of every post that indicates the number of people who have them on 'ignore'. Additionally, cbrads suggested that rather than indicating each and every post that's not shown, to have a short message at the bottom of the screen stating something to the effect that 'posts are missing because one or more members are on ignore'. When considering proposals of this kind, there are two key questions to answer. Firstly, are they technically doable? Secondly, if we were to implement them, would they have the desired effect, i.e. would they result in genuine improvements to the forum which are of real benefit to members?

Technical Doability
Both suggestions would require custom development, as neither of them are existing features of the vBulletim software that T2W uses. Therefore, whilst they are both doable, they are not straightforward to implement. Experience tells us that anything that is not already a standard option and requires specialist coding - is usually a pain to get right.

Member Benefits
Our feeling is that if we implemented this feature that it would highlight a negative rather than a positive. Prior (bitter!) experience with the now defunct reputation system tells us that these features are prone to abuse. Whilst most members will use them for the purpose they are intended, there will be a few who will delight in doing the exact opposite. (Would you Adam 'n Eve it - more people have timsk on 'ignore' than any other member! )

After careful consideration, for the reasons stated, the feeling is that on this occasion the benefit to members is uncertain and is outweighed by the time and expense of custom coding. Thanks for the interesting idea - do please keep posting your ideas.
Tim.

 

[foroom lluzers]

I think T2w needs more positive threads by those who can perform in real time and show others how , to create a more vibrant atmosphere , it is for others to judge how much vibrancy there is.Threads like these

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/technical-analysis/224404-when-will-you-trade-vod.html#post2936488

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/tra...ofitable-dow-dax-weekly-100-ticks-profit.html

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/ind...g-indices-dow-dax-nasdaq-s-p.html#post2920018

If Barjon puts on some trades and shows how to put on live profitable trades , it will help

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/technical-analysis/224018-wot-happens-next-2-a.html

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/futures-options/224072-775-profit-option-trade-set-forget.html

The above is the correct way of creating a positive environment , in a market where 95% lose.

 

[foroom lluzers]

I hope he doesn't fk that thread up too. The FTSE thread was getting good again with more ppl contributing. But when these pariahs start vomiting all over the thread nobody wants to post. It's a damn shame...

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/indices/30470-ftse-professional-scalping-13.html#post2936576

I have already moved to the professional ftse thread , put you on permanent ignore .You complain ,then visit and try to ruin a thread.It is a shame.

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/tra...ax-weekly-100-ticks-profit-2.html#post2936312

 

[Atilla]

Hi guys,

Quick update from me. I did miss T2W and interacting with many of you and have been off and on having a quick lurk to see what's happppp...

I've discovered that in the last month or two so many posts by a few people have just got my back up. So checking T2W frequently during the course of the day I was finding people and posts I simply wanted to ignore and wondering why I'd read it as it was just trash.

I found I was unsubscribing from my favourite threads just to avoid the noise. Even the jokes thread... I mean how sad is that??? Yep very sad. Jokes not funny anymore. Has the World turned flat???

I also find it amazing that some body comes to T2W with the name of Forum Losers and continues to trash and spam the site with most of the threads and T2W maintains and supports his conduct.

I recall many months ago there was one body who'd always slag off the mods and the site and yet continue to troll taking snipes. He was banned after a while and I see this new blogger (aka POS) as a reincarnation of the same ilk.

I do hope T2W wakes up to the snake in the grass and the effect he is having on the site.

Ofcourse there is the possibility we have a super dooper traaaadarrrr in our midst and I'm having a bad hair day in which case I better get my head sorted

 

[Dowser]

Hopefully, if enough ppl voice their concerns there maybe some action. Normally, site members of this ilk buzz off after a few weeks when they realise they're not getting the attention they crave - but this clown just keeps lingering like a really bad smell

 

[Charlton]

Community Constitution

I agree with you Atilla. In addition one suggestion I would like to add to the constitution is "To avoid making excessive use of links back to a poster's own threads elsewhere on the site". This seems to me to be trying to "add legitimacy" to a point you are making by adding references to back it up, which are no more than your own posts elsewhere.

Although the following points from the Community Constitution do not specifically cover this practice, I think that the practice goes against the spirit of these guidelines:

1.4 Don't post just to increase your post count.

1.6 Do not spam. This is posting forum messages that offer no significant value to the topic. Most of these kinds of posts are just single-word posts that have no meaning or value whatsoever.
1.7 Keep your posts related to the topic of the thread. Irrelevant posts, particularly those which are intended to take the thread completely off topic, will be moved to a new thread, or may be removed altogether.
1.8 Please don't double post (two posts in a row). If you need to amend a post, do so by using the edit button next to your original post.
1.9 Don't post the same message more than once, in different forums.

I am not sure how you could enforce this with the software, but I am thinking about limiting the number of links that a poster can make to their own posts or threads within a specific period.

I too am getting fed up with seeing this, particularly the constant reference to psychology. I think we all know the message by now, which can in any case be summed up on 1 or 2 sides of A4.

[Added for information: the existing T2W Community Consitution, part of which I quoted in italics above can be found here: http://www.trade2win.com/boards/faq.php?faq=faq_site_guidelines]

 

[Trader333]

Mods don't have the time to read every thread and act based on reported posts more than anything else. We are also restricted by the rules and if they are changed will act based on any new ones that are implememented. So if we receive a reported post that explains why the community constitution has been breached then it helps. That said, there is limited time so if we suddenly receive a large number of reported posts based on historical and previously unreported issues, we are unlikely to have the time to address them all. This is not the case where clear transgressions have occurred and more to do with interpretation of the spirit of the community constitution.

 

[foroom lluzers]

I agree with you Atilla. In addition one suggestion I would like to add to the constitution is "To avoid making excessive use of links back to a poster's own threads elsewhere on the site". This seems to me to be trying to "add legitimacy" to a point you are making by adding references to back it up, which are no more than your own posts elsewhere.

Although the following points from the Community Constitution do not specifically cover this practice, I think that the practice goes against the spirit of these guidelines:

1.4 Don't post just to increase your post count.


Nobody does that purposely


1.6 Do not spam. This is posting forum messages that offer no significant value to the topic. Most of these kinds of posts are just single-word posts that have no meaning or value whatsoever.

Agreed .But these may be beneficial for advertising clicks .T2W would know.

1.7 Keep your posts related to the topic of the thread. Irrelevant posts, particularly those which are intended to take the thread completely off topic, will be moved to a new thread, or may be removed altogether.

A lesson in hypocrisy?


1.8 Please don't double post (two posts in a row). If you need to amend a post, do so by using the edit button next to your original post.

Agreed .Same law for everybody Debilitating law for quality posters and quality content.

1.9 Don't post the same message more than once, in different forums.

Agreed , if a paragraph of information is relevant to both threads , not your own , what do you do?It is pointless give half information ,little information is dangerous.


I am not sure how you could enforce this with the software, but I am thinking about limiting the number of links that a poster can make to their own posts or threads within a specific period.


Different aspects of different related subjects require the same content , but mixing different subjects in same thread is pointless and confusing.

I too am getting fed up with seeing this, particularly the constant reference to psychology. I think we all know the message by now, which can in any case be summed up on 1 or 2 sides of A4.

Can we please stop place limits on psychology threads or new psychology threads by an individual poster?

This applies only to me?

I won't do it .

Anybody willing to write great articles from material provided and post in t2w ?.Somebody with posh grammar and reader friendly writing skills required.

Hollywood should ban film remakes , equally t2w should not listen to Dark Tone and there should be rewrites of threads , with the first post of the new threads containing all the bullet points of the original thread. T2W needs quality content in place of amateur opinions .The articles idea is good , the articles contain the bullet points , the threads contain discussions/opinions by all level posters .

 

[foroom lluzers]

Hi guys,


I found I was unsubscribing from my favourite threads just to avoid the noise. Even the jokes thread... I mean how sad is that??? Yep very sad. Jokes not funny anymore. Has the World turned flat???

We should have new trader-lulz thread .The jokes are not funny to the receiver or the character , but a joker finds them funny .Mike finds them funny .

The trader lulz thread is for jokes on traders , which they don't find funny , because they are on them.

Everybody has a different sense of humor , so not everybody finds same jokes funny .Some are jokes are too daft to understand .

 

[Trader333]

......t2w should not listen to Dark Tone and there should be rewrites of threads , with the first post of the new threads containing all the bullet points of the original thread.

There is no resource to do any of this and even if there was there are other things that would take priority over it.

 

[piphoe]

 

[cantagril]

We are also restricted by the rules and if they are changed will act based on any new ones that are implememented. So if we receive a reported post that explains why the community constitution has been breached then it helps. That said, there is limited time so if we suddenly receive a large number of reported posts based on historical and previously unreported issues, we are unlikely to have the time to address them all. This is not the case where clear transgressions have occurred and more to do with interpretation of the spirit of the community constitution.

Thank you for your response.

Understandably (standard inertia etc) new rules and modifications will not happen until critical mass is reached. As it would seem that we are not there yet then the only possibility is to act within the existing rules and constraints.

In the light of your remarks about historical posts and the reporting of previously unreported issues, it would seem that there is just one recourse , which I understand to be:

To report posts and/or behaviour that goes against the letter and/or spirit of the Constitution and Guidelines (and referring back to Timsk' recent post on this thread) and include a reference to the relevant rule/guideline and an explanation of why the post / behaviour constitutes a breach.

If that fails, then as back-up one can put a particular member on Ignore, Ignore the thread or start a journal. The first "Ignore" option sort of works but others' quotes often makes "Ignoring" a waste of time. Ignoring the whole thread doesn't really help at all and is essentially cutting off one's nose to spite one's face....which leaves Option 3: starting a Journal to retain the filtering ability.

I'm aware that some journals have been started to deal with the issues in question and it would seem (in the current environment) that for members who remain unhappy that this is indeed the most practical way forward.

For myself, I now have 3 people on Ignore (as I understand it, the front-runners in the "Most-Unwanted" list) which because of the multiple post problem can sometimes make for an amusing situation where the nearly the whole page is taken up with "Ignored" messages.

As an only intermittently active participant in T2W, I don't feel it's my place to start a Journal to keep noise level down but I would certainly be happy to join such ...if, of course, I were to be accepted

 

[foroom lluzers]

There is no resource to do any of this and even if there was there are other things that would take priority over it.

I don't mind helping everybody understand the risks in trading , that means I have to be truthful and honest.

Today I asked a question to Lee Shepherd , he replied and I was grateful .

Later today I found an answer for my question , so I started a new thread adding my own quality input whilst thanking the previous posters who contributed quality input.I hope others benefit from it.

Instead of writing the new hollywood articles , I started new rewrites (but doing an honest job ) and here is the thread for you to judge.

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/psy...ment/224958-impulsive-trades-impulsivity.html

 

[Atilla]

Mods don't have the time to read every thread and act based on reported posts more than anything else. We are also restricted by the rules and if they are changed will act based on any new ones that are implememented. So if we receive a reported post that explains why the community constitution has been breached then it helps. That said, there is limited time so if we suddenly receive a large number of reported posts based on historical and previously unreported issues, we are unlikely to have the time to address them all. This is not the case where clear transgressions have occurred and more to do with interpretation of the spirit of the community constitution.

I'm surprised you've even replied to a stupid remark about rewrite of threads. You for real Trader???

Rewrite of threads!!! Why? Who decides? Who sanctions them? It is clear to me and probabbbbbbbllllllllyyyyyyyyy 9999999999.9999999999% of all other bloggers but one. Rewrite threads ROTFLMAO!!!

What about the original poster objecting to a rewrite of his post??? Whole can of worms there. Obviously, the thinking process is not there in some people. No **** Sherlock comes to mind about stating the bleeding obvious.


The point is there are so many of these and you want someone to report it to you... Shocking request!

1.03 Don’t post rubbish. This isn’t You Tube, it is a site dedicated to Trading and should be treated as such. There are plenty of places where you can post whatever you like. We don’t want it here unless it is about trading.

Last couple of weeks there have been about 250 p/week.


I'm sorry if I don't have the patience or subtlety of other more esteemed colleagues but there is sufficient evidence from quite a few posters on this thread. You want more???

That's like torture asking some poor soul to read through them imo but I may be biased.

 

[foroom lluzers]

I'm surprised you've even replied to a stupid remark about rewrite of threads. You for real Trader???

Rewrite of threads!!! Why? Who decides? Who sanctions them? It is clear to me and probabbbbbbbllllllllyyyyyyyyy 9999999999.9999999999% of all other bloggers but one. Rewrite threads ROTFLMAO!!!

What about the original poster objecting to a rewrite of his post??? Whole can of worms there. Obviously, the thinking process is not there in some people. No **** Sherlock comes to mind about stating the bleeding obvious.


The point is there are so many of these and you want someone to report it to you... Shocking request!

1.03 Don’t post rubbish. This isn’t You Tube, it is a site dedicated to Trading and should be treated as such. There are plenty of places where you can post whatever you like. We don’t want it here unless it is about trading.

Last couple of weeks there have been about 250 p/week.


I'm sorry if I don't have the patience or subtlety of other more esteemed colleagues but there is sufficient evidence from quite a few posters on this thread. You want more???

That's like torture asking some poor sole to read through them imo but I may be biased.

I knew t2w had genuises to learn from like Attilla the Hoon.

 

[foroom lluzers]

:p[/QUOTE] You missed the Big John cuddle/candle which is a money spinner

 

[barjon]

I knew t2w had genuises to learn from like Attilla the Hoon.

I don't suppose it bothers you one jot that all the recent unhappiness about the site expressed here and elsewhere is down to you and your constant drivel all over the place. Everyone is really pizzed off with it (and you). Can't you do us all a favour and go elsewhere and leave us with the peaceful T2W we enjoyed before you came on the scene.

 

[Trader333]

The point is there are so many of these and you want someone to report it to you... Shocking request!

So you think it is shocking to ask that posts are reported ? I am not sure where you are coming from but whether you like it or not it is the most effective way of addressing issues as Mods are part time and dont have the time to read all posts and judge whether they are in the spirit if the community constitution or not.

FYI there has also been the exact same accusations levied at you as you are now making to others so if we acted on it you would no longer be a member of T2W.

 

[Dowser]

which leaves Option 3: starting a Journal to retain the filtering ability.

I'm aware that some journals have been started to deal with the issues in question and it would seem (in the current environment) that for members who remain unhappy that this is indeed the most practical way forward.

For myself, I now have 3 people on Ignore (as I understand it, the front-runners in the "Most-Unwanted" list) which because of the multiple post problem can sometimes make for an amusing situation where the nearly the whole page is taken up with "Ignored" messages.

As an intermittently actively participant in T2W, I don't feel it's my place to start a Journal to keep noise level down but I would certainly be happy to join such ...if, of course, I were to be accepted

This is a great idea. If this new, main trading thread/journal had a time span, say 3 months, we could all take turns at being the thread starter/moderator. So, for example, Atilla could start a Journal 'Trading Thread 3rd Quarter 2017' and invite regular and sensible contributors. At the end of his tenure he could invite someone to start the next thread. A thread with a time limit will never get too long so searching it will be easier (The FTSE futures thread runs over 10000 pages) If a contributor starts upsetting too many ppl, they could be suspended until the next thread starts, or banned or whatever.