Trump Presidency and the Consequences

Signalcalc

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Not very funny - he's teetotal & shows great respect for the Queen, unlike the absent "leading politicians".
Ahh a nice hip flask of iced tea would do very well. It’s surprising how poor the tea can be in some of these establishments.

Of course the queen has excellent tea, so there’s no need, but emergency hip flask is sometimes needed.



Don’t worry the never Trumpers don’t know dot about Trump and don’t want to either, who can blame them, I mean who wants to know anything about HRC other than she has medical problems and is not fit to run a country and can’t get elected?
 
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Well lets hope the long suffering taxpayers got their millions of dollars money worth ?
Melania looking as gorgeous as ever.

Hope Charlie managed to convince him that the planet is at risk with pollution/climate change etc.

All the weapons in the world won't do any good if the planet fries or chokes to death.
 

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India to impose retaliatory tariff on 28 U.S. goods from Sunday - government statement


Yanks playing hard ball.

I see more isolation and move away from international stage for Uncle Sam.

Bully boys seeking acceptance by throwing sand in faces of independent states. Will not lead to fruitfull outcomes.

There is something very wrong with US foreign policy. :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

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The Iran situation shows Trump's character. He excuses retaliation for the downed drone by saying he doesn't want 150 Iranian casualties. Empathy for the first time.
I have a feeling that Israel which is always prodding Uncle Sam into action wants the Iranian nuclear facilities taken out once and for all. This is about the last chance the West has to do it before the Iranians get nuclear bombs operational. Not enough of an excuse this time but next time when there are more US aircraft carriers in the area it will happen. The Iranians live in their own little bubble and can't see it coming. which is worrying. Trump will make sure there is a next time and not too distant in the future.
 

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Yes partially true perhaps but there is more at stake than just US Israeli and Saudi interests here. I see this as knocking away at US of A. Russia, China and more recently India are behind Iran. Much like the games US and imperial powers play on other smaller countries to bring them down to their knees.

Iran doesn't have much to lose so it is the spear head facing US.

US wants this war and has been itching for years being manipulated by Saudis and Israeli lobby groups. However, imo it faces losing the US dollar standard. It is not a war it can win. Russia, India and China in fact much of the rest of the world will benefit. US "WILL" lose.

Much like UK in WW1 & WW2 which it lost in economic terms, when US rose to precedence. Fighting wars 1000s of miles from home will just see it bleed money and reserves. Not something it has the ability to finance. Saudi's may foot the bill but they are not exactly cash rich anymore either. The future is about building, not destroying.


Iran is no different to any other country. Has been bullied pillar to post since US and Iraq attacked in after deposing Shah of Iran.
 
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The Iranians probably remember their glory days of taking down first the Greek empire ( with help ) and then the Romans.
They should not under estimate Trump. He would rather have a peaceful trading arrangement but would relish a short war.
The shot down drone must have " lit up " where the defences are and what they carry.
 
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I think it all will be good for USA in the long run for first choice and nothing else really matters here anyway. I think he should continue his policies and we will see what will be next in advance here totally and completely. All that global trades are very ineffictive for United States of America and it's time to be out of them, for first it will hurt a little but then it will be all good. Time to get back to traditional jobs not only for Information Technology and so on out there, so keep that in mind please. And your opinion is how ?
 

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The Iranians probably remember their glory days of taking down first the Greek empire ( with help ) and then the Romans.
They should not under estimate Trump. He would rather have a peaceful trading arrangement but would relish a short war.
The shot down drone must have " lit up " where the defences are and what they carry.
Nitpicker here again :)

Whilst the Persians won both battles and wars, essentially it was those resourceful moslems who did for them in the 7th century sometime whilst the Greeks got hoovered up by the Romans much earlier.

With regard to Trump and his "short war": this doesn't fill me with ravenous anticipation as I understand that the shortest of all wars will be the nuclear one to come, which will drag on for several minutes. I'd rather that Trump ( or anyone, for that matter) refrain from lighting the blue touch-paper as there will be nowhere to stand well back.
 

cantagril

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I think it all will be good for USA in the long run for first choice and nothing else really matters here anyway. I think he should continue his policies and we will see what will be next in advance here totally and completely. All that global trades are very ineffictive for United States of America and it's time to be out of them, for first it will hurt a little but then it will be all good. Time to get back to traditional jobs not only for Information Technology and so on out there, so keep that in mind please. And your opinion is how ?
I'm not sure that you're up to speed on just how much the US is part of the global trade system. I agree completely that in theory complete autonomy and self-sufficiency are possible but the duration of the upheaval to achieve them will last more than a few years, as evidenced by the current difficulties in sorting out steel and aluminium which are arguably the easiest sectors to address. After all the dust has settled, will you and the rest of the American public be happy with the magnitude of the price rises?
 

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I'm not sure that you're up to speed on just how much the US is part of the global trade system. I agree completely that in theory complete autonomy and self-sufficiency are possible but the duration of the upheaval to achieve them will last more than a few years, as evidenced by the current difficulties in sorting out steel and aluminium which are arguably the easiest sectors to address. After all the dust has settled, will you and the rest of the American public be happy with the magnitude of the price rises?
The US tried isolation in the 1930s and it was a disaster. Hitler got away with occupying border areas after the US had withdrawn from the League of Nations and rendered it useless. There is no reason it will not be the same again. The US foreign policy of building coalitions will find it hard to get partners if they go with Trump's selfish ideas. The US was big enough to have contacts abroad but poorly run.
 

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The US tried isolation in the 1930s and it was a disaster. Hitler got away with occupying border areas after the US had withdrawn from the League of Nations and rendered it useless. There is no reason it will not be the same again. The US foreign policy of building coalitions will find it hard to get partners if they go with Trump's selfish ideas. The US was big enough to have contacts abroad but poorly run.
According to wikipedia the US was never a member of The League of Nations!