Should vendors only be allowed to post a 'vendor section'

Should vendors only be allowed to post in a 'vendor section'

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 12 30.0%

  • Total voters
    40
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barjon

Legendary member
10,236 1,539
...................such blatant advertising/soliciting......................

blatant? I think if you look through all DT's posts you will find little mention of his product and then usually in response to questions he has been asked. For the rest of it I, personally, find his posts interesting and informative despite the fact that he has a bee in his bonnet about TA (don't others?) and takes to kicking me from time to time :).

This, I think, highlights one of the problems - would you deny members that interesting and informative stuff just because there is a product lurking in the background? Or are members' interests better served by having it?

Current policy leans towards the latter, but it seems to be causing so much angst that it wouldn't surprise me to see it change.
 

wackypete2

Legendary member
10,177 2,032
blatant? I think if you look through all DT's posts you will find little mention of his product and then usually in response to questions he has been asked. For the rest of it I, personally, find his posts interesting and informative despite the fact that he has a bee in his bonnet about TA (don't others?) and takes to kicking me from time to time :).

This, I think, highlights one of the problems - would you deny members that interesting and informative stuff just because there is a product lurking in the background? Or are members' interests better served by having it?

Current policy leans towards the latter, but it seems to be causing so much angst that it wouldn't surprise me to see it change.
Lurking in the background?? How about his avatar? Not blatant enough? It's seen in every post he makes trashing everyone else's trading methods. I hope the new guy, Steve, can see through all this because honestly this stuff seems to be way over the heads of the admin and mods. You guys just aren't getting it at all.

Peter
 
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gktk

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so a spreadbetter is gonna suddenly buy a product that reports bid /ask ? yeah right.

they don't even have volume on their charts

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they would also have to open a real futures account, min $5k, with a real data feed - just to use DT's software....mmm

yes ET does have a larger mix of successful traders. they would not tolerate such blatant advertising/soliciting. (is there a correlation??). pro traders would not be interested in his product as they dont tend to use retail trading platforms to execute through.



on the contrary these people are his target market.
 

the hare

Senior member
2,949 1,283
This, I think, highlights one of the problems - would you deny members that interesting and informative stuff just because there is a product lurking in the background? Or are members' interests better served by having it? .
This always comes back to the same argument. Why would a trader sell a product for a couple of hundred dollars ?

Answer, they wouldn't, and therefore you have to question if anything the vendor is promoting is serving anyone's interest (other than their own etc)

Even if DT is spanking the market using this tool, or by reading the ladder, then its got nothing whatsoever to do with tape reading etc, its because he's applying the same fundamental principles that I use tossing coins. That stuff isn't discussed because most here are not aware of it, or if they are they want cats to stay in bags etc

If you want posts to provide entertainment, or to stimulate debate between like-minded individuals then losing DT's posts would be detrimental. If by serving the members best interests you mean getting them profitable, I'm not so sure (well I am but I'm being diplomatic :LOL:)
 
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barjon

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..................you mean getting them profitable........................
:)no, I don't mean that at all - I mean things about trading that they find interesting to read and discuss. That, after all, is what the site is meant to be about, isn't it?
 
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wackypete2

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so a spreadbetter is gonna suddenly buy a product that reports bid /ask ? yeah right.

they don't even have volume on their charts

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they would also have to open a real futures account, min $5k, with a real data feed - just to use DT's software....mmm
Believe it or not some people right here on t2w have spent much more than that on software or training and ended up losing it to a scam. I doubt DT is trying to scam anyone but I'm just pointing out that people DO lay out a lot of cash for what they think could help them. $5k isn't even close to the high number on that.

Peter
 
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pboyles

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Believe it or not some people right here on t2w have spent much more than that on software or training and ended up losing it to a scam. I doubt DT is trying to scam anyone but I'm just pointing out that people DO lay out a lot of cash for what they think could help them. $5k isn't even close to the high number on that.

Peter
Several people admitted to losing over $100,000 to Senen Pousa so there are plenty of idiots just dying to spend $4000 or $5000 on whatever crap they can get their hands on. You only have to tell them how rich they're going to be and they're falling over themselves to give their money away.
 

ChocolateDigestive

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so a spreadbetter is gonna suddenly buy a product that reports bid /ask ? yeah right.

they don't even have volume on their charts

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they would also have to open a real futures account, min $5k, with a real data feed - just to use DT's software....mmm
You can open futures accounts for $500, AMP offer this. $400 ES margin. I really don't think that disqualifies anyone does it.
 

Lord Flasheart

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It would be interesting to see how many have purchased DTs software and how they view it now. There seems little comment either way. By that am I to assume that the site actually generates little business for a software vendor. Im more concerned about the £600 for a days training courses that are offered on here
 

DionysusToast

Legendary member
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exactly. Generally speaking, the type of person who typically stumbles over t2w looking for tarding advice believes that such tools can provide an edge.

DT has his niche demographic, and t2w is a target rich environment. Admittedly, its not the only forum, but it is one of the few who would tolerate this type of thing, (worse still they actually ENCOURAGE it !)

DT isn't the worst offender, but he's playing the same league.
Didn't you say earlier that it only has 25 active members?
 

ChocolateDigestive

Experienced member
1,153 280
Believe it or not some people right here on t2w have spent much more than that on software or training and ended up losing it to a scam. I doubt DT is trying to scam anyone but I'm just pointing out that people DO lay out a lot of cash for what they think could help them. $5k isn't even close to the high number on that.

Peter
I don't think DT is trying to scam anyone he is just selling a product a product he knows won't help anyone become profitable. If it did it would be proprietary and he would reap the financial rewards from it. The problem is he spams threads and solicits by using 'intelligent Untruths', as Hare has pointed out. If you don't realise what is going on there really is no hope of you ever being profitable, that will upset some but sometimes the truth is unpalatable. Take the recent 'TA debunked' thread perfect example of newbie preyed upon and deliberate mistruths. It's comedy gold though watching him back pedal. Think of all the forums he is on, frantically typing away in the Thailand heat.
 

gktk

Member
68 12
what i mean is there is significant work involved if you choose to go the route of DT's software.

ie open another account (whatever the minimum is),
buy a good data feed (spreadbetters wont like having to fork out another $100+ pm or so for IQfeed)
buy DT software
etc. etc.

all i am saying T2W is generally a waste of his time if he is trying to sell such niche software as various imply he is.

You can open futures accounts for $500, AMP offer this. $400 ES margin. I really don't think that disqualifies anyone does it.
 

the hare

Senior member
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Didn't you say earlier that it only has 25 active members?
There's probably less than 25 who actively contribute. Probably less than 5 who contribute anything remotely useful :LOL:

They do claim that 250,000 or so have passed through the doors, and its those numptys who are the target market !

honestly you vendors twist and turn like twisty turny things :LOL: