Should vendors only be allowed to post a 'vendor section'

Should vendors only be allowed to post in a 'vendor section'

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 12 30.0%

  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .

scose-no-doubt

Veteren member
4,630 954
why not just do adverts for booze and fhm and other male things instead of "trading" (lol) related stuff? I'd be more interested in a marks and spencer tv offer, some nice work shirts on discount or £10 off a £100 spend at tesco offer than half of the sh*t that I saw before I got me adblock plus on the go. No one can complain then. Strange how a bunch of people who have been running a trading website have no idea how to hedge their bets through a bit of diversification lol.
 

timsk

Legendary member
7,085 1,877
The needs of those TWO members are being placed above the best interests the remaining quarter of a million members (and yes I know t2w only has about 25 active members, but my ratio sounds better if I bend the truth a little, and lets be fair its t2w who claims the inflated number, not me !)
:LOL::LOL::LOL:
If you ever decide to knock trading on the head and wonder what to do with your time - may I suggest you become a writer. Fiction and comedy are the genres you display considerable talent for! You could plunder your own posts on here as the basis of your first novel. Anyway, back to this particular piece of fiction, indulge me please with more hilarity by suggesting a motive? Also, if Mr. Charts is one of the vendors, who is the other?
Tim.
 
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Lord Flasheart

Legendary member
9,796 975
Agree with a lot of what being said but what about software vendors, to me they should be held accountable as well. Software vendors often charge more and often offer less.
Surely there has to be a way that t2win can somehow have a badge awarded to both type of vendors that offer value for what they charge. lets say Barjon was to charge £149 (no claims) for a days trading followed by a room fee of £30 a month,then that has to be considered value to any newbie etc. Same sort of thing with software etc,if we feel it offers some sort of value for the fee then whats the harm.
There are also grey areas that need attention. The thread starter recently sort of advertised for traders to join his team and learn a proven method etc. Whilst accepting CDs intentions are genuine and I hope it works for him we have seen this sort of thing before and there is nearly always a pants down situation further down the line once the exchanges go underground. Ive also been approached a few times in this way and I'm sure others have.

I guess nothing will change and we will all stick to our various roles and angles we fight from.
 

pboyles

Legendary member
8,072 1,301
Surely there has to be a way that t2win can somehow have a badge awarded to both type of vendors that offer value for what they charge. .
The problem with that is that the outsourced badging company will make the odd (same) mistake over several years (due to inexperienced staff) and award badges to all sorts of unworthy sorts offering 900% a year nazi boxes.
 

Steve

Well-known member
437 108
This vendor situation needs fixing. It is high on my list of priorities because things can't carry on like this. Changes have to be made and we'll make them. It is obvious from the diversity of views that whatever we do will upset somebody but I can't believe that there isn't a way forward that will work for the majority of members.

I can try and do this on my own or you can help me. I have obviously read all the background to this stuff and I will not get dragged into that. We are where we are and i'll go forward from here. So if any of you want to get involved then tell me. I'll not respond to sarcasm, conspiracy theories or downright rudeness but I will respond to sensible debate, even if I might not like what I am hearing.

So i'll be working on this in the coming weeks and, with or without your help, i'll get it sorted and tell you what we are doing and why.
 

pboyles

Legendary member
8,072 1,301
This vendor situation needs fixing. It is high on my list of priorities because things can't carry on like this. Changes have to be made and we'll make them. It is obvious from the diversity of views that whatever we do will upset somebody but I can't believe that there isn't a way forward that will work for the majority of members.

I can try and do this on my own or you can help me. I have obviously read all the background to this stuff and I will not get dragged into that. We are where we are and i'll go forward from here. So if any of you want to get involved then tell me. I'll not respond to sarcasm, conspiracy theories or downright rudeness but I will respond to sensible debate, even if I might not like what I am hearing.

So i'll be working on this in the coming weeks and, with or without your help, i'll get it sorted and tell you what we are doing and why.
The majority of vendors range from somewhat unethical (using fake photos to claim they are helping Nepalese orphans) to out and out criminals involved in fraud (taking money for training and then disappearing).

To be honest they can be easily spotted if anyone were to take the time. I calculated that it would have taken 15 minutes work a month to spot the scams that went out in T2W partner offers over the last 3 years. It's hard to believe that a blind eye wasn't turned.

I'm not sure you would need that much help to spot them but if you do just let me know.
 

wackypete2

Legendary member
10,213 2,048
This vendor situation needs fixing. It is high on my list of priorities because things can't carry on like this. Changes have to be made and we'll make them. It is obvious from the diversity of views that whatever we do will upset somebody but I can't believe that there isn't a way forward that will work for the majority of members.

I can try and do this on my own or you can help me. I have obviously read all the background to this stuff and I will not get dragged into that. We are where we are and i'll go forward from here. So if any of you want to get involved then tell me. I'll not respond to sarcasm, conspiracy theories or downright rudeness but I will respond to sensible debate, even if I might not like what I am hearing.

So i'll be working on this in the coming weeks and, with or without your help, i'll get it sorted and tell you what we are doing and why.
Good luck :)
Just remember most of us with strong opinions (and even some sarcasm) are genuinely interested in fixing things up. That's why we are still here posting our opinions even though they may sometimes be harsh.

Peter
 

rsh01

Experienced member
1,184 299
why not just do adverts for booze and fhm and other male things instead of "trading" (lol) related stuff?
a very good point, its not as if we are a complex demographic. marketing agencies wld pay good money to have access to some decent analysis on members post content, and to then be allowed to broker ad space here. or t2w cld do this themselves.
 

neil

Legendary member
5,167 746
yes spot on. The sad thing is another vendor will pop up in this thread soon generating more clicks on their website, trying to push the agenda back to 'I'm not selling anything'. :(
And there is a steep rise in new posters making multiple posts per day to build up a post count - for what purpose? Some future spam or scam operation maybe.
These guys disrupt the time related order of posts by posting add ons to dead posts thus making it difficult for the reader to follow active posts:confused:
 

wackypete2

Legendary member
10,213 2,048
And there is a steep rise in new posters making multiple posts per day to build up a post count - for what purpose? Some future spam or scam operation maybe.
These guys disrupt the time related order of posts by posting add ons to dead posts thus making it difficult for the reader to follow active posts:confused:
Easy to spot too. As you said they generally post in old threads and usually only 1 or 2 sentences of a very general nature. Never anything specific.

Peter
 

rsh01

Experienced member
1,184 299
And there is a steep rise in new posters making multiple posts per day to build up a post count - for what purpose? Some future spam or scam operation maybe.
These guys disrupt the time related order of posts by posting add ons to dead posts thus making it difficult for the reader to follow active posts:confused:
A lot of these post like bots. And also its a massive waste of time to click through this garbage.
 

the hare

Senior member
2,949 1,283
A lot of these post like bots. And also its a massive waste of time to click through this garbage.
I think that a great many of them are bots, Ive even seen bits of posts that I've written on trading forums being quoted here at t2w. I suppose that's what I'd do if I wanted to spam with a bot, steal content from a similar site.

The speed at which they can make multiple submissions gives them away too.

The lulziest ones are still human, I suspect the posts are beneficial in some way or they'd stop it, its easy enough to do.
 

DionysusToast

Legendary member
5,963 1,498
The needs of those TWO members are being placed above the best interests the remaining quarter of a million members (and yes I know t2w only has about 25 active members, but my ratio sounds better if I bend the truth a little, and lets be fair its t2w who claims the inflated number, not me !)
And there you get to the nub of things.

How many clicks is this activity generating though? After all, there aren't that many active members, and most active members already know the score.

Looking @ last months numbers for my site:
6800 visitors
218 came from T2W

On the other hand, 387 came from NinjaTrader site, where I post about once every 2 months, usually complaining about something.

1,500 and change come from Google & as yet I have done zero work on SEO (although I have recruited an Indian company to do this).

1,300 come from some Russian site I have never heard of , never posted to and can't actually read as it is in Crylic.

Now - this isn't to say that T2W can't be used to generate site traffic. Article submission does give you a temporary bump to your traffic that lasts about as long as your article is on the front page. Reviews also help traffic, again when they are on the front page.

I am sure posting could help too - but you'd probably need to be more of an agreeable chap to pull that one off and to be very direct in pushing your warez.

The best way to get traffic in though would be to pump your articles & reviews.

Promising $10,000 a week, 500% returns and profits without thinking might also work, many try it but I'm not sure that it actually does. Hard to say without trying it.

The best way though - would almost certainly be to learn Russian.
 

kimo'sabby

Experienced member
1,623 287
why not just do adverts for booze and fhm and other male things instead of "trading" (lol) related stuff? I'd be more interested in a marks and spencer tv offer, some nice work shirts on discount or £10 off a £100 spend at tesco offer than half of the sh*t that I saw before I got me adblock plus on the go. No one can complain then. Strange how a bunch of people who have been running a trading website have no idea how to hedge their bets through a bit of diversification lol.

Good idea.:idea:
 

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