R.I.P. Fidel

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Like him or loath him finally he has gone.
He was a key player in the Cold War and nearly took the super powers into nuclear conflict.
Cuba stagnated economically but has an excellent health service.
 
Pat494 said:
Like him or loath him finally he has gone.
He was a key player in the Cold War and nearly took the super powers into nuclear conflict.
Cuba stagnated economically but has an excellent health service.
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Like him a lot. Considering the embargo he faced did well for his people. Good education and health care. What more can one ask?

Oh yeah good music and food and low crime. (y)
 
US carried out acts of terrorism on Cuba.

Not to mention many assassination attempts and destabilisation policies.

What did Fidel do to US? Told them to pick up their stuff and leave. Not too much to ask is it. Don't remember any US citizens been shot by Cubans?


Compared to Latin America where the US supported all sorts of brutal fascist regimes that tortured and effed any free democratic process of the countries, Cuba did very well under Castro.

Anyhow, Castro was a social liberal democrat. US crap labelled him and pushed him into what they could understand - a communist. :LOL:


True legend of a man who will stand the test of history. (y)
 
dbphoenix said:
Freedom?
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Well you know there are priorities in life.

Freedom doesn't mean much to someone who is homeless, starving and under persecution.

Was it not the US who did the most to restrict freedom of Cuba and Cubans.

You are free if you conform to my terms. :idea:

N1.
 
There's no net gain from replacing one dictatorship with another. Trying to evaluate them comparatively and judge that the less evil is better is facile.
 
Atilla said:
Well you know there are priorities in life.

Freedom doesn't mean much to someone who is homeless, starving and under persecution.

Was it not the US who did the most to restrict freedom of Cuba and Cubans.

You are free if you conform to my terms. :idea:

N1.
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In order to understand Cuba, it helps to go back to Batista and reread Animal Farm.
 
Atilla said:
Like him a lot. Considering the embargo he faced did well for his people. Good education and health care. What more can one ask?

Oh yeah good music and food and low crime. (y)
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Their education is questionable and their healthcare is not any better. Just because they give free innoculations doesn't mean they have good healthcare. It's true that they have a lot of doctors . But anyone who wants to be a doctor can be one in Cuba. But that does not mean they are good at what they do or would qualify to be doctors anywhere else.

If it is so good, why did Fidel go to Moscow for heart surgery and Raoul go to Mexico City for healthcare?

And he did not do good for his people.

An outrageous percentage....60-75 percent of women have to prostitute themselves at one time or another in their lives just to buy food. How is that good ?

If it is so good there, why do so many people risk losing their lives trying to leave it on homemade rafts? I don't recall anyone risking their lives to get there.

I hope that Fidel Castro and his brother Raoul spend eternity in the fiery pits of Hell submerged in boiling pits of sewage. Maybe one day, the World will be rid of dictators and despots like them. If you have a free press and the internet the chances of them prevailing over Good People are much less. And I might add, this is another reason for the private ownership of guns.

Instead of espousing the false, propagandized 'virtues' of a mass murderer, why don' t you pray for the souls of his victims and their families ?
 
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Atilla said:
US carried out acts of terrorism on Cuba.

Not to mention many assassination attempts and destabilisation policies.

What did Fidel do to US? Told them to pick up their stuff and leave. Not too much to ask is it. Don't remember any US citizens been shot by Cubans?


Compared to Latin America where the US supported all sorts of brutal fascist regimes that tortured and effed any free democratic process of the countries, Cuba did very well under Castro.

Anyhow, Castro was a social liberal democrat. US crap labelled him and pushed him into what they could understand - a communist. :LOL:


True legend of a man who will stand the test of history.
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Castro cooperated with Kruschev to bring the world a whisker away from WW3 in 1962 when he allowed nuclear missiles on his soil and threatened the US with them.

Castro is responsible for murdering tens of thousands around the world. He denied his people civil rights, a fair trial, democratic representation, a free press and religious freedom.
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Asserting that many think of Castro as a “Woody Allen comic figure,” Klayman emphatically stated that “he is not.” Castro and his regime have “raped or killed tens of thousands” of Cubans, he said.

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Castro has already been implicated directly with murder in a U.S. courtroom.

Klayman cited a recent Florida murder conviction of Cuban intelligence officer Gerardo Hernandez for complicity in the murder of four Cuban exiles seeking to assist other Cubans fleeing the communist-controlled island.

Hernandez was part – and allegedly the ringleader – of the “Wasp Network,” a group of 14 Cuban operatives active in the U.S. until its break-up by the FBI in 1998.

Of the 14, five admitted their guilt, four fled to Cuba and five, including Hernandez, maintained their innocence.
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Castro is “part of an international criminal network,” which includes “narco-trafficking, terrorism, money laundering, as well as other criminal activities.”
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Castro’s Cuba is also a haven for a variety of fugitives from justice, according to Vermillion.

“[Former FBI Director Louis] Freeh told [members of Congress and their staff] that there are 77 known federal fugitives … in Cuba,” Vermillion stated.

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And his brother Raoul is just as evil........

Raúl Castro, as longtime member of Cuba’s Council of State, has been signing execution orders for years. But, his killing career began early on. In 1956, while in exile in Mexico, he murdered a former comrade. During the revolutionary struggle in the mountains, he executed deserters and informants. In the early days of the Revolution, while in charge of the Oriente province, he had hundreds of men killed. In one day alone, he ordered at least 72 men executed without trial in the city of Santiago. All throughout the night of January 12, 1959 and into the following day, successive groups of men were lined up in front of ditches at San Juan Hill and shot by firing squads. Raúl is reported to have gleefully delivered the coup d’grace on a few. Afterwards, a bulldozer was brought in to cover the mass graves.
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Cuba Archive has documented dozens of people, including many children, killed attempting to escape Cuba with Raúl in a leading role. His Air Force carried out the Canimar River Massacre of July 6, 1980, when dozens were murdered.


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As Defense Minister, Raúl Castro is responsible for war crimes in and out of Cuba. During the rural uprising of the sixties, his armed forces set fire and executed hundreds of prisoners on the spot.







http://www.wnd.com/2002/02/12644/


http://canadafreepress.com/article/raul-castros-long-history-of-crimes-against-humanity
 
You do know US deployed nuclear weapons in Turkey first in, 1959 right? Tit-for-tats quite common in International relations. They were subsequently removed in 1963.

Have a good read of this book.

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US has been globe trotting around the world kicking ass for over almost a century now. Has supported and done much worse in Latin America with all their juntas.

Isn't Iraq enough with it's raping and pillaging of a country 000s of miles away in search of oil. Still sh1t stirring all over the place. Telling Iran not to interfere was a good joke considering 55% of Iraq have relatives in and share same religion a..s Iran. Uranium tipped bombs now causing highest number of birth defects in Iraq ever.

The number of CIA US friendly allies who turn foe is not an accident. Puppet regimes all over the place. Google Robert M. McNamara see what you find. Anyone who opposes US 10 Commandments gets their feathers plucked. Having said that McNamara has now found God and is seeking repentance for his soul. I like him as he has at least seen the errors of his ways and confessed.

The audacity to lecture the rest of the world on values of freedom and liberty coming from the US kind of sticks in ones throat if I may say so.

God is man's creation and praying for souls of the dead makes me dumbstruck as to what good it will do anyone. Sorry but one is better off planting seeds and growing trees adn plants to save humanity rather than worshipping at the skirts of silly dressed men wearing long robes.


(y)


TexasRangersFan said:
Castro cooperated with Kruschev to bring the world a whisker away from WW3 in 1962 when he allowed nuclear missiles on his soil and threatened the US with them.

Castro is responsible for murdering tens of thousands around the world. He denied his people civil rights, a fair trial, democratic representation, a free press and religious freedom.
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Asserting that many think of Castro as a “Woody Allen comic figure,” Klayman emphatically stated that “he is not.” Castro and his regime have “raped or killed tens of thousands” of Cubans, he said.

--------
Castro has already been implicated directly with murder in a U.S. courtroom.

Klayman cited a recent Florida murder conviction of Cuban intelligence officer Gerardo Hernandez for complicity in the murder of four Cuban exiles seeking to assist other Cubans fleeing the communist-controlled island.

Hernandez was part – and allegedly the ringleader – of the “Wasp Network,” a group of 14 Cuban operatives active in the U.S. until its break-up by the FBI in 1998.

Of the 14, five admitted their guilt, four fled to Cuba and five, including Hernandez, maintained their innocence.
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Castro is “part of an international criminal network,” which includes “narco-trafficking, terrorism, money laundering, as well as other criminal activities.”
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Castro’s Cuba is also a haven for a variety of fugitives from justice, according to Vermillion.

“[Former FBI Director Louis] Freeh told [members of Congress and their staff] that there are 77 known federal fugitives … in Cuba,” Vermillion stated.

-------


And his brother Raoul is just as evil........

Raúl Castro, as longtime member of Cuba’s Council of State, has been signing execution orders for years. But, his killing career began early on. In 1956, while in exile in Mexico, he murdered a former comrade. During the revolutionary struggle in the mountains, he executed deserters and informants. In the early days of the Revolution, while in charge of the Oriente province, he had hundreds of men killed. In one day alone, he ordered at least 72 men executed without trial in the city of Santiago. All throughout the night of January 12, 1959 and into the following day, successive groups of men were lined up in front of ditches at San Juan Hill and shot by firing squads. Raúl is reported to have gleefully delivered the coup d’grace on a few. Afterwards, a bulldozer was brought in to cover the mass graves.
------

Cuba Archive has documented dozens of people, including many children, killed attempting to escape Cuba with Raúl in a leading role. His Air Force carried out the Canimar River Massacre of July 6, 1980, when dozens were murdered.


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As Defense Minister, Raúl Castro is responsible for war crimes in and out of Cuba. During the rural uprising of the sixties, his armed forces set fire and executed hundreds of prisoners on the spot.







http://www.wnd.com/2002/02/12644/


http://canadafreepress.com/article/raul-castros-long-history-of-crimes-against-humanity
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Well said textas rangerfan there's good riddance to one infidel 😁
TexasRangersFan said:
Castro coope rated with Kruschev to bring the world a whisker away from WW3 in 1962 when he allowed nuclear missiles on his soil and threatened the US with them.

Castro is responsible for murdering tens of thousands around the world. He denied his people civil rights, a fair trial, democratic representation, a free press and religious freedom.
----------
Asserting that many think of Castro as a “Woody Allen comic figure,” Klayman emphatically stated that “he is not.” Castro and his regime have “raped or killed tens of thousands” of Cubans, he said.

--------
Castro has already been implicated directly with murder in a U.S. courtroom.

Klayman cited a recent Florida murder conviction of Cuban intelligence officer Gerardo Hernandez for complicity in the murder of four Cuban exiles seeking to assist other Cubans fleeing the communist-controlled island.

Hernandez was part – and allegedly the ringleader – of the “Wasp Network,” a group of 14 Cuban operatives active in the U.S. until its break-up by the FBI in 1998.

Of the 14, five admitted their guilt, four fled to Cuba and five, including Hernandez, maintained their innocence.
----------
Castro is “part of an international criminal network,” which includes “narco-trafficking, terrorism, money laundering, as well as other criminal activities.”
---------
Castro’s Cuba is also a haven for a variety of fugitives from justice, according to Vermillion.

“[Former FBI Director Louis] Freeh told [members of Congress and their staff] that there are 77 known federal fugitives … in Cuba,” Vermillion stated.

-------


And his brother Raoul is just as evil........

Raúl Castro, as longtime member of Cuba’s Council of State, has been signing execution orders for years. But, his killing career began early on. In 1956, while in exile in Mexico, he murdered a former comrade. During the revolutionary struggle in the mountains, he executed deserters and informants. In the early days of the Revolution, while in charge of the Oriente province, he had hundreds of men killed. In one day alone, he ordered at least 72 men executed without trial in the city of Santiago. All throughout the night of January 12, 1959 and into the following day, successive groups of men were lined up in front of ditches at San Juan Hill and shot by firing squads. Raúl is reported to have gleefully delivered the coup d’grace on a few. Afterwards, a bulldozer was brought in to cover the mass graves.
------

Cuba Archive has documented dozens of people, including many children, killed attempting to escape Cuba with Raúl in a leading role. His Air Force carried out the Canimar River Massacre of July 6, 1980, when dozens were murdered.


----------
As Defense Minister, Raúl Castro is responsible for war crimes in and out of Cuba. During the rural uprising of the sixties, his armed forces set fire and executed hundreds of prisoners on the spot.







http://www.wnd.com/2002/02/12644/


http://canadafreepress.com/article/raul-castros-long-history-of-crimes-against-humanity
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I wonder how many people know about the United Fruit Company (Chiquita banana) and Colombia?
 
tomorton said:
One thing you can say for the US - its a democracy.

As far as I've learned over time, the only good dictator is a dead dictator.
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Not to quibble but it is actually a republic. The distinction will become increasingly important under a Trump presidency.
 
So will Donald and Barack attend his funeral now that US and Cuba have kissed and made up, being neighbours and all that? :whistling
 
tomorton said:
One thing you can say for the US - its a democracy.

As far as I've learned over time, the only good dictator is a dead dictator.
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Er no not really. Besides being a republic it is a plutocracy. That means money is king. Like Biff in " Back to the Future " Trump is in his element. What the US doesn't yet realize is money is not so important elsewhere. Not everyone has his price for doing what Washington wants. Besides the US has wasted trillions on it's failed policies of stick and carrot. Texas Ranger points out the thousands who died in Cuba but ignores many more that died in Iraq etc. Selective condemnation.
You would think, even a sort of democracy would promote decent people like in days gone by. But no, it seems that the villains will have their day too.
 
Pat494 said:
Er no not really. Besides being a republic it is a plutocracy. That means money is king. Like Biff in " Back to the Future " Trump is in his element. What the US doesn't yet realize is money is not so important elsewhere. Not everyone has his price for doing what Washington wants. Besides the US has wasted trillions on it's failed policies of stick and carrot. Texas Ranger points out the thousands who died in Cuba but ignores many more that died in Iraq etc. Selective condemnation.
You would think, even a sort of democracy would promote decent people like in days gone by. But no, it seems that the villains will have their day too.
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Certainly, there are states that hold either more or less strongly to a democratic ideal. And foreign policy is ever something done by the powerful to the weak.

But there's no such thing as a good dictatorship.
 
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