Darren Winters

[km24519847]

If the winters seminar and course is good for 1 thing it has to be strategically planning for a SIPP. Self invstment pension plan. Having seen several pension plans go to the wall because of corporate changes I can only advise that it is going to cost more than the £1100 or whatever he is asking. He advertises as an investing company, maybe this is where his money should stay.

 

[raudah88]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone advise me on how to get refund the money I pay to Warrem Winters!!!!

I wrote them a letter of withdrawal before the start of the course but they reply there no refund
when fees are paid.

This is contrary to what is being informed in the free seminar prior to me signing for the course.

Thanks

 

[km24519847]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone advise me on how to get refund the money I pay to Warrem Winters!!!!

I wrote them a letter of withdrawal before the start of the course but they reply there no refund
when fees are paid.

This is contrary to what is being informed in the free seminar prior to me signing for the course.

Thanks

How long after the fre event did you apply for the refund? Normally there has to be a cooling off period.

 

[Trader333]

Did you pay by credit card ?


Paul

 

[anley]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone advise me on how to get refund the money I pay to Warrem Winters!!!!

I wrote them a letter of withdrawal before the start of the course but they reply there no refund
when fees are paid.

This is contrary to what is being informed in the free seminar prior to me signing for the course.

Thanks

Call your local Trading Standards, they're sure to help and offer guidance. Good luck

 

[kenhetherington]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone advise me on how to get refund the money I pay to Warrem Winters!!!!

I wrote them a letter of withdrawal before the start of the course but they reply there no refund
when fees are paid.

This is contrary to what is being informed in the free seminar prior to me signing for the course.

Thanks

Sadly I wouldn't hold your breath. Do you have a copy of the 'contract' you signed when you paid your money. That should tell you under what circumstances you could get a refund.

 

[kenhetherington]

If the winters seminar and course is good for 1 thing it has to be .......

... it is to take off huge sums of money from people by promising them a fast route to riches.

 

[km24519847]

... it is to take off huge sums of money from people by promising them a fast route to riches.

nobody promises a fast route to riches, only those dumb enough to read the wrong messages.
KM
:|

 

[kenhetherington]

nobody promises a fast route to riches, only those dumb enough to read the wrong messages.
KM
:|

So its all the fault of those attending the various sales seminars is it?

 

[km24519847]

So its all the fault of those attending the various sales seminars is it?

Yes, basically. If you can't see through the sales pitch then you can't see that trading is risky.

 

[gamma]

beginner should easily make 10% per month on his capital. 10% per month over an extended period of time is actually a very big ask.

I don't think so
maybe the statement applies to this Darren winter chappy
But I do not think anyone should consider trading unless you want more than 10% a month
I would give up trading if I can't achieve more than 10% a month.

 

[kenhetherington]

Yes, basically. If you can't see through the sales pitch then you can't see that trading is risky.

I have some sympathy with your point of view, but is it not analogous to saying that a householder is to blame for a burglary. The fact is the burglar did it, even where there is some stupidity on the part of the householder. So the burglar is to blame.

I think people are entitled to expect that what is represented to them is truthful and accurate. Without doubt there are gullible people out there, but there are those that are not ordinarily gullible but simply lacking the experience at that point to judge the claims in the sales pitch. They maybe making a genuine effort to learn about trading to fund for instance extra income in retirement. They need protection from any unscrupulous trading trainer.

 

[kenhetherington]

I don't think so
maybe the statement applies to this Darren winter chappy
But I do not think anyone should consider trading unless you want more than 10% a month
I would give up trading if I can't achieve more than 10% a month.

Anyone 'wants' more than 10% a month. 10% a month maybe achievable for some, but I doubt if it is for the average person. Otherwise there would be a lot of millionaires out there! And it certainly is NOT achievable for the beginner. In fact some of the most successful traders claim that they took years to achieve consistency.

 

[gamma]

Anyone 'wants' more than 10% a month. 10% a month maybe achievable for some, but I doubt if it is for the average person. Otherwise there would be a lot of millionaires out there! And it certainly is NOT achievable for the beginner. In fact some of the most successful traders claim that they took years to achieve consistency.

Average person is not the average trader
If you can't achieve 10% a month within a year you should give up trading.Trading is not Astro physics
You should learn the basics in a few months and be able to apply those principles within half a year and be profitable within a year or give up and accept that trading is not for you!
Give me a complete novice and I will teach him/her to achieve 10% a month within a year.

 

[mp6140]

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Give me a complete novice and I will teach him/her to achieve 10% a month within a year.

now gamma -- we talking about a simple 10% or the 10% that becomes 120% in a year ?

mp

 

[gamma]

now gamma -- we talking about a simple 10% or the 10% that becomes 120% in a year ?

mp

My Dear MP160,

I am saying that,It is possible to make 10% a month every month but there are conditions and criteria one must follow,
Now to elaborate further on my earlier post (it was posted at quite early in the morning after a night out)
Now let me draw a distinction(my distinction) between "any average person " and average trader"
The average person would never do the ridiculous things the "average trader" does.
The average trader is the man in the juggernaut with no training no practice and no respect for any warning signs or commands. With his foot on the gas pedal until he runs of of gas or he crashes.
At which point he/she metamorphoses from "average person" to "average trader" I don't know.

So when I throw down the challenge and say novice I mean someone who has not become the average trader as described above.

Give me a person with no knowledge of trading and provided they stick to my guidelines and money management principles
I will show them how to make 10% a month.

 

[kenhetherington]

Average person is not the average trader
If you can't achieve 10% a month within a year you should give up trading.Trading is not Astro physics
You should learn the basics in a few months and be able to apply those principles within half a year and be profitable within a year or give up and accept that trading is not for you!
Give me a complete novice and I will teach him/her to achieve 10% a month within a year.

I applaud your self confidence Gamma. And I agree it is possible to gain 10% a month, and even consistently. But I am sceptical that it is as straightforward as you say. Not only do well known traders tell you they didn't do it, but if it were so easy, then there would be a huge amount of winners.

Without doubt traders psychology is the key thing, plus some straightforward rules of money managements, and trading set ups. And psychology is not a simple thing to fix!

I have seen plenty of examples of people demonstrating their success with their trading style using charts that are clearly demonstrating hindsight trading. I could do that too and put up chart after chart, all historical and tell you where the entries and exits were, and when not to take a trade. The success rate would be amazing. I would look a genius.

Trading needs to be learned, developed and nurtured. In my opinion not all will succeed, some will succeed very well, some moderately well, and the time line will be different on a case by case basis.

 

[mp6140]

My Dear MP160,

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sorry gamma, but i think i directed towards you, a post that was already directed towards you.

i believe that if you are teaching correct money management routines and they are followed, you could teach a house mouse to make profits !

i believe by limiting the downside risk and cutting it short quickly, a profit can be brought forth and accrued.

obviously, its totally opposite to what i talk about, but its als a VERY different situation !

interesting topic

mp

 

[gamma]

I applaud your self confidence Gamma. And I agree it is possible to gain 10% a month, and even consistently. But I am sceptical that it is as straightforward as you say. Not only do well known traders tell you they didn't do it, but if it were so easy, then there would be a huge amount of winners.

Thankyou!
Please Don't think I am boasting I am not.
It is straight forward if you start off on the right road to begin with
90% of traders do not(my reference to the Juggernaut)
And that is why there is not a huge amount of winners
I was lucky enough to be taught by a trading pit veteran.

Without doubt traders psychology is the key thing, plus some straightforward rules of money managements, and trading set ups. And psychology is not a simple thing to fix!

Its a mind set you develop

I have seen plenty of examples of people demonstrating their success with their trading style using charts that are clearly demonstrating hindsight trading.

I have never offered to show any examples of any hind sight trading

I could do that too and put up chart after chart, all historical and tell you where the entries and exits were, and when not to take a trade. The success rate would be amazing. I would look a genius.

You might need and want to do that I don't

Trading needs to be learned, developed and nurtured. In my opinion not all will succeed, some will succeed very well, some moderately well, and the time line will be different on a case by case basis.

I couldn't agree with you more here!

However it would be far easier to train a complete novice with no knowledge of trading than your so called "average Trader"
I am presently trying to teach someone who has some ridiculous risk to reward ratio that he learn t about from some Guru (who probably never traded)
I am finding it so difficult to get it through to him that the market does not give a damn about his ratios.

Good trading to you.

 

[0007]

It's even on Heart radio

Seems that pop-lovers are the latest target! Just heard this in an ad on Heart FM (which is not renowned for specialising in investment advice) Darren Winters WIN Investing Free Stock Market Training

- Apparently you only need to work for 1 hour a week to become rich via the markets. I wonder if their listeners realise that you might just be able to do that after a lifetime's experience possibly, if you are very clever?

It seems that property & buy to let investment is now out of vogue - come to think of it, didn't property come into popular investing favour when the markets lost their shine for the average punter?

There's a lesson there for all starters.
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