Darren Winters

[kenhetherington]

Sadly this is true. Sadly he is not alone either.

Trite as it is, there is no better advice than "buyer beware" and "if seems too good to be true then it probably is"

Ken

What a joke..

Re: Darren Winters

http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Darren-Winters.html

http://www.financial-spread-betting...en-Winters.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_jobs_and_money/story/0,3605,1055201,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3656746.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_...1055201,00.html

I wouldnt go near this guys, even if it was him paying me £1500 to turn up to his 'shows'

This guy obviously makes a lot of money, but by taking down people's trousers!!

He gets some pretty bad press by the look of it. You only have to Google his name or company and all will be revealed.

 

[alex_cameron]

We should all be aware that this guy Darren Winters is bad news - I heard his radio advert this morning on the way to work. Sounded great, must have cost him a pretty penny too but have you seen the website? Or infact, have you done a Google search on either him or his company, Win Investing?

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/c...rticle_id=408681&in_page_id=19&in_author_id=5

http://money.guardian.co.uk/scamsandfraud/story/0,13802,1070405,00.html

There's loads more, seems he goes around upsetting people!!! More fool the guys who actually fuel this business. I can't beleive people actually fall for these get rich quick schemes!!

 

[alex_cameron]

Before I forget...

I get so much email spam from this guy it drives me nuts!! I took an interest a while ago and since then the messages just keep coming. I get more of these from Win Investing than the Viagra emails!!...and I request them

 

[rathcoole_exile]

don't worry, he's "here today", but like all these so-called gurus and experts, he'll "be gone tomorrow"
I feel sorry for the mugs who give money to guys like this, but as the saying goes, there's one born every minute ........

 

[davetherave]

Darren Winters Warning - Investors Chronicle Article

I think the most interesting and well constructed bit of journalism has to be from the Investors Chronicle. It's an article about Darren Winters and Win Investing written by Dan Oakley called Winters Wonderland.

The articles is quite comprehensive (some six pages of information relating to Darren Winters and his company Win Investing LLP). It even shows Darren himself leaning against a so called 'borrowed Ferrari'.

It clearly referes to Win Investings 'sales pitch' free seminar and highlights why the writer calles them 'sales pitches'. The purpose of the seminar to entice the attendee into paying for a two day course on Investing for around £3000..

Anyway, if you are thinking of attending one of Darren's seminars it is certainly worth a read. Go along to the free Darren Winters seminar but think hard and long about parting with a pile of cash for the next step - particularly if you are already in debt and looking for a way to get yourself back in the game.

Darren Winters Wonderland

 

[shadowninja]

If I'm not mistaken, I hear him advertising a lot on Classic FM at the moment. I often wonder whether I should complain to them and send them the above links. I bet a lot of people will be ripped off.

I don't actually understand why he is giving the seminars. If he is so good at making money on the stockmarket, why bother wasting his time giving seminars (and spending all that time sorting out the marketing, books, leaflets, folders etc that are part of the cost of giving a seminar)? I'd just continue trading. And if he has this desire to help people become rich via the stockmarket, then just stick it on a website like various people have done rather than charge them a fortune. I am happy to tell people my lowly method for making money. Actually, at the moment, I could make more money giving seminars on it. *scratches chin thoughtfully*

You get my point.

 

[davetherave]

I would say that anybody who has lost money with Darren Winters is probably too embarassed to admit it. Errr...I spent £2-3k on a seminar that promised to make me a millionaire...I mean, it's not someting you brag about to your mates down the pub is it?

Imagine for a moment..
"Oh yeah Bob, you never guessed what I did the other day, I gave this guy off the radio Darren Winters £2000 for some training which I stuck on my credit card coz he said he could turn me into a millionaire. I then borrowed another £2000 (on my credit card) to actually play the stock market with and guess what? I lost the lot..."

Sadly, there are lots of people who fall for the whole pitch.

DO YOUR RESEARCH!! Just Google the guy before you make a decision about spending money on him...it really is as simple as that, and certainly a lot simpler than becoming a stock market millionaire!!

Dave The Rave
x

 

[anley]

If I'm not mistaken, I hear him advertising a lot on Classic FM at the moment. I often wonder whether I should complain to them and send them the above links. I bet a lot of people will be ripped off.

Because they're greedy and very short sighted.

What these companies don't realise is just how much damage carrying these crappy adverts does to their long term brand value. I for one never listen to Classic FM for just this reason because I feel they're treating me with slight contempt.

It's the same for Money Week magazine. I used to like it (still do in fact) but I cancelled my subscription because each week when the postman dropped it through the box it came with a load of 'get rich quick' seminar details (as seperate slip ins) and the like.

You cannot have it both ways, try and market yourself to 'sophisticated' investors while also trying to sell them 'come to my seminar, learn how to be rich and quit the rat-race' type adverts.

 

[neil]

He never gives up

What a joke..

Re: Darren Winters

http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Darren-Winters.html

http://www.financial-spread-betting...en-Winters.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_jobs_and_money/story/0,3605,1055201,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3656746.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_...1055201,00.html

I wouldnt go near this guys, even if it was him paying me £1500 to turn up to his 'shows'

This guy obviously makes a lot of money, but by taking down people's trousers!!

He gets some pretty bad press by the look of it. You only have to Google his name or company and all will be revealed.

He has a big advertisement on Page 33 (Business section) of todays "The Times."
Fishing for mugs again?

 

[shadowninja]

At least there's one thing he does right... marketing. Correct target, correct media. Must be working or... he couldn't hire Ferraris for photoshoots.

 

[stevespray]

Christmas comes around this time of year - so does Winter.... Darren Winters that is...

Just a quick 'warning' that Mr Winters is peddling in wares again and not to get sucked in.
Just had a quick read through his latest propaganda and surprise surprise his background story has once again changed.

How does he get away with this nonsense.

FSA PLEASE DO SOMETHING !

Steve.

PS Anyone even thinking of going should read this....

Money | Want to be a millionaire? Apparently, there's nothing to it

 

[Trader333]

FSA PLEASE DO SOMETHING !

The FSA are unable to do anything because what he does is not regulated by them. He is classed as offering an educational service only. The best you could go for is advertising standards in that what is offered is not as described but even that would be hard to prove in my view.


Paul

 

[anley]

How does he get away with this nonsense.

Because people so want to believe that's why. Believe that it's possible for someone to show them how to get rich easy. Just a play on people's emotions, nothing more........

PS. For anyone who's been on his course (or free one) - How are you getting on making your 10% a month 'all for 30 mins work a day'? Just wondering

 

[stevespray]

The FSA are unable to do anything because what he does is not regulated by them. He is classed as offering an educational service only. The best you could go for is advertising standards in that what is offered is not as described but even that would be hard to prove in my view.


Paul

Technically, if they send you something through the post or via email, then Advertising Standards can not do anything – mailing lists and email lists are classed as ‘prior relationships’. The only way you could complain is if your first contact with them was from seeing or hearing a direct advertisement either in the press or via a radio advert to which you responded. Even then their powers are extremely weak. They will normally just request that the publication or broadcaster look further into the background to verify what ‘their advertiser’ is claiming in their adverts. If you are on a mailing list or email list then they have no power since it is deemed that they can not censure someone who simply holds a mailing list – it is not deemed that it is the owner of the mailing lists responsibility to ensure that what is sent is correct. This is clearly a MASSIVE loophole but, because the way advertising standards works, there is nothing which can be done unless the whole process relating to enforcement was changed – ie a direct ability to fine the false advertiser and return funds to mislead clients.

Take a look through many of the cases which Advertising Standards deals with. See what they say when they uphold a complaint – it’s a joke. Also look at cases where firms do not respond – again a total joke.

The best way to get anywhere would be a letter to Trading Standards. Also, small claims court procedures would almost certainly work against these people if they refused a refund when people realised that the claims were fake. On one of the VS threads some one successfully got their money back from VS and it seems that VS offered no defence. Legally that opens a door on these snake oil salesmen. Once people realise that the procedure to recover their money is easy then more people will do it which should drive them away somewhat.

Steve.

 

[Mayfly]

Steve,

It's easy enough to loathe Winters and his like, but it seems to me that you've failed to understand that the "industry" needs him in the same way that Kitchener was alleged to have provided the "cannon" fodder in the Great War?

Think about it for a few moments? Winters was first outed on these boards in a thread entitled "Darren winters - A software Company" was he not, and certainly to the extent that we know that the material provided in this thread also found its way to Tony Levene on the Guardian newspaper? A gift to Winters you might think - they published a shed load of damning and defamatory afterall - but Winters, naturally failed to sue? Surprised? Not at all, because if this greedy little **** had any hope of bringing a successful case against The Guardian, you'd think that all his (perspiring) all dreams of wealth would immediately come true? Not a bit of it, ultimately he was left to playing duck & drakes between these and other boards, while stepping up his marketing campaign in the national press and beyond in a desperate attempt to peddle his free seminars in the face of a tide of criticism and a number new players arriving on the scene? In the meantime, we're faced with the undifying prospect of these and similar boards carrying ads for Secker and the like. doesn't that make you think?

The only way forward is for "subscribers" (people who've bought these seminars) to bring a class action against Winters/Seckers and their like in the courts. I can understand their reluctance to do this for sure; but their "victims" have been told and/or invited to do the same before on these and other boards; and I'm sorry to say that until such time as they do - bring actions in the courts - then I'm afaid (IMO) we'll simply have to suffer the presence of these snake oil salesmen in the "trading" arena!

Sorry, if this is OTT, but hey it's been a long day.

Cheers

Mayfly

 

[moonwalker]

I just had an email from Win Investing offering a 'scholarship' rate of just £597 + VAT. Looks like he's running out of punters

I must admit that a small part of me is intrigued enough to kiss goodbye to that £700 (and its still a lot, lets be frank) to see what he has to say. I'm a novice trader, buy some real shares and dabble in very small spreadbets from time to time etc. I spend a lot of time on ADVFN boards and the like and I'm not gullible enough to believe Winters or Secker or anyone of their ilk will make me rich. However I do wonder if there is anything admist their tripe that will actually be useful and help me with my own strategies. Whether there is something in their teaching that will be well presented and perhaps easier to get than trawling through unstructured websites.

Opinions on this anyone?

 

[shadowninja]

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[stevespray]

I just had an email from Win Investing offering a 'scholarship' rate of just £597 + VAT. Looks like he's running out of punters

I must admit that a small part of me is intrigued enough to kiss goodbye to that £700 (and its still a lot, lets be frank) to see what he has to say. I'm a novice trader, buy some real shares and dabble in very small spreadbets from time to time etc. I spend a lot of time on ADVFN boards and the like and I'm not gullible enough to believe Winters or Secker or anyone of their ilk will make me rich. However I do wonder if there is anything admist their tripe that will actually be useful and help me with my own strategies. Whether there is something in their teaching that will be well presented and perhaps easier to get than trawling through unstructured websites.

Opinions on this anyone?

The people making the money will be the people selling the courses.

As shadow already mentioned, there is lots of stuff available for free. Have a play about on low stakes with someone like Finspreads. Find some markets that you like and start to study them more closely. Different markets have different personalities.

The people selling the courses make their money because of how easy they make it seem. They tell you what they want to here. In my opinion there are 50+ regular posters on this site who could write / promote their very own trading courses but they dont - instead they offer friendship and help for free.

I've heard Winters talk at one of his free seminars; he was very smooth and convincing but, knowing the markets as I do, I knew most of what he was saying was utter nonsense. At one point he was saying that a beginner should easily make 10% per month on his capital. 10% per month over an extended period of time is actually a very big ask.

Steve.

 

[Trader333]

However I do wonder if there is anything admist their tripe that will actually be useful and help me with my own strategies

In my view you wont even find 70p worth of material let alone £700.


Paul

 

[forexangel]

If you're prepared to spend 700 pounds and are willing (or at least reconciled) to getting nothing back, then why not devise a simple strategy, define it, test it, be clear what you are trying to do and why. Stick the 700 pounds in a spread bet account and trade your plan at 50 pence or 1 pound a point.

Sure, you might lose your 700 pounds, you might not. But given that your prepared to lose the money anyway, I'm sure you'll learn far more doing this that going on the aforesaid course.

(and if you don't want to spend anything, I'd still do the above, and demo account it)