andrewmooton - training with insight experiences

[alliance]

Zenda, Tony, Dave!

As an outsider looking in ..i.e tho a participant in the course, I have nothing to sell, it does seem that some ppl just cant win!!! I was not aware that anyone here was "BLATANTLY" advertising! This thread emanated from another thread where one or more ppl were extolling the virtues of Stu and his course. On that thread, said "extollers" were being harangued by the doubting thomas's for no other reason than they were newbie/rookie posters thereby raising cries of "fix"!
In the process of defending himself, Stu was "challenged" by one or more members to basically put his money where his mouth was and to offer his training free of charge to longer serving members who could then honestly "evaluate" said training without fear nor favour.

Had Stu declined or ignored this "challenge"....then no doubt the detractors would have been on his case accusing him of not having faith in his training content/ abilities. Hoever Stu DID take up the challenge, offering the free training to 2 novice traders and 2 experienced traders. Surely it would without doubt defeat the object of the exercise if no-one was to comment upon their personal evaluation of his course? The only possible bone of contention I can see is that perhaps Tony, u are correct in terms of where it should be located...but as it emanated from this forum, and most members like myself are unaware of all the "office politics" that go on, then I assume that is why Andrew posted it here. Let me assure u that I had no connection to either Stu or Insight support until I volunteered and was offered the course. I can see ur point Zenda that it would appear obvious that "we" should get damn good support bcoz Stu knows we shall be posting here, that doesn't alter the main course content in terms of the training materials sent out.

Perhaps Zenda neither u nor ur 4x system were challenged in the same way, hence u had no need to have ppl comment on it.

As I said at the start...some ppl just cant win..........

 

[Zenda]

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[TheBramble]

Zenda, Tony, Dave!

As I said at the start...some ppl just cant win..........

Alliance, before you go too far down this well trod route, I reiterate, nobody is having a go at you (course participants) or Stu (vendor) or insight (vended SB system).

This was brought on by Zenda's (justified IMO) comments on a non-commerical forum being used for commercial traffic - which it is - and probably shouldn't.

If this thread was sitting in 'commercial' I feel it would have the same appeal (I'm interested!) and none of the potential for argument.

What do you think?

 

[barjon]

I can see both sides of this. On the one hand it is interesting for people to read what should become a very detailed review of the course (there's no guarantee it'll all be good news for Stu!!) and on the other it's certainly sailing very close to the line of advertising.

More importantly, I would hate to see this thread degenerate into another slanging match of the kind that has marred many other threads.

A solution may be to move this thread and access to it to the Review Section. All those who are interested can access it from there in peace and quiet and it will be sitting in the appropriate place to avoid ruffling feathers. Mods?

 

[DaveJB]

Err,
jumping to the defence here a bit - Stu Whisson posted on T2W to say (forgive me for simplifying drastically, I hope I am cutting to the chase) 'I train customers, and to prove I'm not a charlatan I'm willing to train 4 - I think it was - T2W members so they can report back whether I'm talking billhooks (paraphrase there) or not'.

Not an advert, a genuine offer from somebody who had enough faith in his material to provide it to a few T2W users with the sole proviso that they post their actual genuine experiences here for all to see - Stu has put his money where his mouth is, I imagine he signed up several users just in case one of them turned out to be a moron/axe murderer or whatever... with a small group there was a reasonable chance of a 'review' that was balanced and fair.

For the record, I was impressed enough to sign up for the cut rate offer (ie I was, and in fact am, a paying customer currently) and I decided the trading style etc wasn't quite my cup of tea - I specialise in one area of TA, but I'm happy to look at others now and then in case I find things that are useful.... Stu replied to my emails promptly, and considerately, and was very fair in my view - he's got a ferw pounds of my money, I've had a fair amount of his time, and whilst I personally find myself unsuited by Stu's methods plenty will be.... TA styles vary.

I also commented in my emails about the feedback - I agree, they are pre-recorded correct answers and they do not reflect whatever you actually submit... sorry Stu, I said this myself in emails, the training modules return obviously stock answers, I agree with 'alliance' here. This doesn't mean they don't work - seeing the correct answer isn't bad, but educationally (I'm a teacher, by the way) supplying a stock answer regardless of user input is not a good way to teach - as a customer I had expected some human being to read and critique my answers, this is obviously not the case.

Ignoring the feedback - which is only a small part of the service provided - Stu supplies a genuine product at a reasonable price, and is not a con artist. There are videos on his site showing him analysing charts, discussing ideas etc., others showing how to use things like Fibonacci retracements to identify targets - none of it is rocket science, it IS put together in a way that will allow a newbie to become competent to a fair degree.... I would argue that beyond this point it is up to the individual, the tools are there and a simple MA crossover system will make you money if you are able to manage the money side of it.

Not a blatant advert - when was the last time Omnitrader came on here offering their latest ARM system for a free trial so the happy chosen few could report back? Or I suppose YES it was an advert - from a guy confident enough in what he is selling that he is happy to leave it to the 4 chosen members to supply info for it to sink or swim on. I'm not a buyer, ultimately, but I'm confident that Stu is honest, and that some folk could do worse than signing up.... why not assume that the T2W members will report warts and all?

Dave

 

[alliance]

Zenda:

I am not naive, nor do I wear rose tinted specs, however maybe..just maybe..I have a lil more faith in human nature than u do. Had the suggestion of free training come from Stu himself and not from other members I would agree with u, and yes I agree wholeheartedly that he may well (in fact probably is) be laughing LOUDLY into his cornflakes...but why not? He would not be much of an MD if he didnt take any and all free opportunities to promote his company and product no matter where or how they present themselves.

I would remind u also that thus far we have commented mainly positively but we are only 2 modules into the course. Perhaps next week..or the week after the comments might be negative. I hope they aren't, but IF that were the case would u still class that as free advertising???

btw, I fail to see the relevance of u telling me about ur trades today....was I questioning ur abilities? Maybe ur just trying ur hand at some BLATANT (follow the thread) advertising of ur own? If so, no problem with that here. Finally, I guess if u dont want to read about it then u could simply ignore it....or is that too simple?

Tony and Barjon:
Agreed,as stated in my earlier post:

The only possible bone of contention I can see is that perhaps Tony, u are correct in terms of where it should be located...

I have no wish to enter into an arguement with anyone on these very valuable boards, but perhaps if Zenda had taken a leaf out of your book Tony and had politely suggested/highlighted that Andrew had started the thread on the wrong forum as opposed to the vitriolic outburst that was forthcoming then none of this debate would be necessary.

toys and prams spring to mind!

 

[andrewmooton]

Alliance, before you go too far down this well trod route, I reiterate, nobody is having a go at you (course participants) or Stu (vendor) or insight (vended SB system).

This was brought on by Zenda's (justified IMO) comments on a non-commerical forum being used for commercial traffic - which it is - and probably shouldn't.

If this thread was sitting in 'commercial' I feel it would have the same appeal (I'm interested!) and none of the potential for argument.

What do you think?

I'm all for moving the thread to commercial if that means we can continue without the interruptions.

I too could do without the 'office politics' (which is one of the reasons I got interested in trading in the first place).

Please let me restate that the point of all this was not to 'blatently advertise' but to provide our thoughts and opinions which would in turn help other traders to make a decision about insight.

 

[DaveJB]

Hmmm....
I call up 'View Latest Threads' when visiting this site, so excuse me if I don't notice it isn't filed under 'Commercial Systems' - I suspect many others from the 20,000 or so users here also do so. This may be a hijacked thread - as far as I know it's a 'how my course with Stu Whisson is going' thread, so genuine apologies are offered if in fact I've fallen for a trick here - I'm honestly reading this as I did sign up as a 'non-free' member to check it out, and in fact Stu and I have agreed on my exit policy <g> as I'm not going to be an ideal customer....

Honestly I think we're exhibiting typical T2W cynicism here, yes - move it to a 'commercial' section if possible, many of us have'nt a clue what section we're in anyway, so it'll please those here who think any post is a free advert and those fated by nature to be librarians. (Sorry, librarians - but being able to quote the ISBN of more than 6 publishers IS a character defect) The rest of us won't give a monkey's as we didn't know it was in a non-commercial section to start with.

The real point is this - 4 of our own members were given free access and are able to truthfully report, at no personal cost, what they think... what is the objection here? Don't we trust our fellow members? Are they Whisson stooges? If not, what is the problem? I for one would love to know I could rely totally on reviews for accuracy - I do a few myself, the inducements to stray into the realms of generosity are subtle at times but compelling.... if we aren't going to trust fellow members picked from a hat to do a decent job we should ***tcan the review section for a start.

I too am a commercial type - forbidden by modesty to add a byline that would lead you to my site, various downloads, and a forthcoming release.... even though Sharky actually sells my program on commission (he bought a bacon sarny and coffee out of his last 6 months 'payola') I don't push it here because T2W is a great site and I like to reserve the right to fulminate after a glass or two. T2W has earned a rep for honesty, it is a site that commercial types would like to be well reported on - but it i also a site where it's becoming impossible to be nice about anything on without having a new a*****le torn out of you for being a lackey of the filthy capitalist scum.... the next step is easy - lighten up, or be marginalised!

 

[TheBramble]

lighten up, or be marginalised!

Dave, for full effect that needs to be said in either a Dalek or Vogon voice...

 

[DaveJB]

Well, if you can't be bothered to pop down to your local planning office....
<g>

 

[TheBramble]

...what's that grinding, crushing sort of noise?

And what's that!!!?

Lord!!! Haven't seen a Ford Prefect in years....

123,056,869...and counting...

 

[Zenda]

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[wisestguy]

stuwhisson,

what I mean is that for any results to be meaningful they have to be conducted over a reasonable course of time , perhaps 6-12 months .

anyone with a bit of luck can strike it big with a few wild trades , but time is the teller , a reckless trader as such would lose it all back and then some.

 

[DaveJB]

Hmmm...
"And DaveJB does pfscan really work1 "

Well, I guess I will bite on this one, as I said before I don't 'advertise' on T2W - considering I'm a publisher/developer I'd say my 'promotional' posts ratio is pretty damn low, I genuinely (and the aforementioned ratio proves this, I'd contend) prefer to post on T2W as a 'proper' user... ie I want people to accept what I say is what I believe, not just some sort of PR. I'd also like to be able to believe what I read on here from other users, I also buy 'systems' etc from people, along with trading programs - some I pay for because I have to, eg Metastock will not sell me a developer kit unless I buy their program, some I pay for because I think they're good - I subscribe to Sharescope and TC2000 because they are, in my view, damn good value datafeeds.

Does Pfscan work? Well, it's a charting program that you can set to find P&F buy and sell patterns (the ones used in P&F since about 1900) and I publish research that I carry out trying to add to the reliablity, if nothing else I'd say that I popped the bubble of 'P&F is 70% reliable' that everybody and their dog has perpetuated since about 1965.... FREE newsletters on my site carry info on reliability of signals, and anything I've found to improve it. I published ONE thing I found, after about 5 years effort, that could boost reliability to better than 50% - it seems to do so consistently, that information is freely included on my site... not just for customers.

Pfscan is a charting program, you set it to find the signals you want to find - this speeds up the analysis as you tell it what to find and it presents the charts that match your criteria about 2 seconds later. For it to 'work' it would have to have one system built into it, that I had decided was a good one... it doesn't, your question makes as much sense as your attack on Stu Whisson - he offers one approach to TA, as I pointed out it's an approach I don't think is suited to my trading so I'm not using it, that doesn't make Stu wrong - I don't scalp, I don't swing trade, that doesn't mean that scalping and swing trading can't make money. Stu's methodolgy is one I recognise as being quite well known, it's a brave man who would call it incorrect...

Andrew and the other T2W members involved are reporting honestly in my opinion - having seen the same material as them I have formed very similar opinions to theirs. I have already told Mr Whisson I want to bail out, as I don't think I'll benefit from his site - others will, in my opinion.

I fail to see how my opinion on Stu's site has anything to do with Pfscan - that you apparently know so little about Pfscan as to take a swipe at it in this manner speaks volumes for your own judgement in my view.

Dave

 

[Zenda]

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[stuwhisson]

Hi Zenda,
Interesting comments indeed - oh and nice pic btw lol.

Some how I think the following is blatant advertising and I quote .....'So if you would like my intro to Forex Course send your name and address by PM to me and quote (Trade2win - Free Forex CD) - If you decide to go for the full course you can buy it here in the T2W shop or unlock the Free CD online and when you do T2W will benefit. '

There are a couple of points relating to my offering the course for free to 4 members and they posting their comments. I can't take credit for the idea of letting a few members try the course, that was a request made by another member of T2W, to which he also suggested that those people then post their experiences. I thought, like many, that this was a good, unbiased way of getting a balanced view point from 2 novice trades and 2 experienced traders.

At the end of the day, whether you see this as advertising or not, blatant or otherwise is not the aim - although I do get visitors to www.insightsupport.com as a result. The whole point of the exercise and that of posting comments like the above on forums like T2W - is to impart opinion on a course that others may find interesting. I certainly wont make any apology for providing a course that is seen by many as worthwhile, positive and certainly advantageous to their trading.

As to the whole heap of other comments on here. My results page on the website provides the results, the analysis I took and a video of that analysis - I don't believe that is meaningless at all. However (ZENDA) , I would like you to remove that image of those results and my photograph (the speech bubble in my opinion is both immature and libellous) from that post - that is neither warranted, legal (I didn't give you permission for that), or indeed professional at all.

I didn't start the thread here, if folk want to move it to a commercial part of the site fine. If people are concerned that I get alot of traffic and advertising as a result of this - then if 20 clicks from T2W to my site every other day is something to be jealous then that is truly rather sad.

I am being honest, up front and provided all that members on here have asked of me. If any one has any problems with comments being made here and not in a commercial forum, then I have no issue with it moved at all.

 

[DaveJB]

I consider that a swipe - I fail to see any other interpretation. 'Hmmm....does Pfscan really work' is, in my opinion, a clear suggestion of doubt.

If I do choose to promote my program here I will arrange it with Sharky and pay him advertising rates.

I stand by my post - I think you are being unduly critical of the guys reviewing Stu's offering, the thread is clearly titled and there's no way you can mistake it for anything other than what it is... several members trying out a service and reporting back.

This is not the BBC, there is no reason on earth for members to avoid critiqueing any product they care to look at, the only real limitation is that adverts should be okayed by Sharky first, and he should be paid for running them. As long as he is happy with the thread then users can exercise their normal right to read or not read it. You certainly have the right to post in opposition, I am actually not criticising you for doubting the service being reported on, but for the impication that the members are part of something underhand - I think you ought to trust those concerned to report their experiences honestly.

Dave

 

[jonjwood]

Hello
Happy Sunday.
I have been watching all of this and may I briefly add tuppence.
I won't bang on like many others ;-) as I am known for my brevity.
I currently am a student of Stu's. He has not paid me to say this but his approach is one of tutorial rather than commercial exploitation. Unfortunately, I think many of us have done our pennies on systems books courses etc and don't want to admit to any let alone the boards, that we got it wrong.
Stu's tutorial approach is sound and his results speak for themselves. He is not perfect (sorry Stu) but his holistic approach makes things seriously bl**dy good value for money.
If I can use a tired analogy: Give a man a fish; feed him for the day. Teach a man to fish ....

Not sorry about spending the modest amount on Stu's fee.
I think it it has been well worth the money.
But then I would say that wouldn't I ?

 

[Zenda]

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[stuwhisson]

Further to my last reply yesterday....

I know Zenda that you're entitled to an opinion, and that you also have a website (?) and run various courses. The thing that makes me curious is.....

Would you be so brazen in your comments if people knew who Zenda was?

It is very easy to express an opinion whilst hiding behind a 'nik name' - it shows character by saying the same in your own name......