Amazing review of LEFT Brain Trading - MUST READ!!

[niceguy777]

<<<< SNIP >>>>

Sorry dear members but this is an advert with no proof. I have deleted it after looking at ng777's other posts and determining that there is a pattern of offering "secrets" but not providing useful contributions to T2W or its membership.

If anyone is concerned by my action please let me know.

Thanks, Nine

 

[Gumping]

Hmmm...

Hi Niceguy

Are YOU affiliated to LBT at all? Never heard of it myself.

A quick googling has come up with some info though: It appears basically to be a mixture of NLP plus Fibonacci levels. And this kinesiology business also....hmmmmm.....

 

[niceguy777]

Hi Niceguy

Are YOU affiliated to LBT at all? Never heard of it myself.

A quick googling has come up with some info though: It appears basically to be a mixture of NLP plus Fibonacci levels. And this kinesiology business also....hmmmmm.....

Hi Gumping. Yes I am LBT. I just love it when people really get what it is we are showing traders about how the currencies and traders really work.

I'd love to know where you found that review! It's obviously someone who knows nothing about it at all!
:cheesy:

 

[Gumping]

Hi Gumping. Yes I am LBT. I just love it when people really get what it is we are showing traders about how the currencies and traders really work.

I'd love to know where you found that review! It's obviously someone who knows nothing about it at all!
:cheesy:

😆 I read the official Homepage 😆

This is of course my interpretation. Olga's website refers to her as a life-coaching person who has published books on relationships. This stuff is generally all a bit NLP-like - and the book review on the official site even mentions that it is the study of excellent trader's thought patterns - which basically IS NLP (as applied to trading). Olga's website mentions nothing of trading.
The other person in this seminar involved is said to be only interested in the technical Fib business (Based on what the Amazon reviews of the book say). And the kinesiology I got from the above review - this is a discipline I am very skeptical of, owing to the fact that it never appears to stand up to any statistically significant questioning.

You are correct that I know nothing of this - but those are my reasons for summing it up as thus. Reviews of the book generally appear positive - I'm not trying to rubbish it. Having been duped into parting with cash by some trading courses in the past, I may appear skeptical - but I'm sure you've met with such before?

 

[rols]

We were very grateful to Rok Sivante, who recently took a LEFT Brain Trading (LBT) course, for his insights and understanding of its content, and a true realization of the power of LBT.

[F]Post #1
Rok Sivante wroteon Apr 1, 2008 at 6:13 AM.[/FONT]

"hey people!!! I want to share some feedback -


Then, Lewis teaches a method for technical trading that no one else has either discovered or made public - the "absolute fibonacci framework." For those traders who don't know about fibonacci or never bothered to learn - you're cutting yourself short. Fibonacci numbers/ratios rule shape the universe and are present in all natural phenomena, and do indeed provide structure to the markets. Lewis' brilliance uncovered an underlying framework that is far more powerful as a map & tool for technical trading than ANYTHING else out there.

I must clarify - while this may sound like a sales pitch, I have no affiliation or business interest whatsoever with LeftBrainTrading -

, it's no BS, deep inner-game work, coupled with a technical framework based on the universal laws & dynamics, that trumps ALL other indicators and system out there.

Olga provides VERY specific, detailed, individualized feedback. Her muscle-testing/kiniseology methods deserve world-wide recognition, and the opportunity to consult with her is worth FAR more than the price. It's really something you have to experience for yourself - WAY more accurate than any biofeedback or psychic reading - if this was a few hundred years ago, Olga would be burned at the stake; fortunately, people are more open minded these days, and such powerful methods are gaining recognition for the priceless tools they are, and Olga is definitely traveling under the radar on the leading edge.

- there's some deep, metaphysical sh#t goin' on with fibonacci, and while I could see from the start that there was something to the framework, the more I observe it play out, the more I'm both hooked & blown away.

Granted, it's NOT for everyone.

It's not for beginners. At least a basic understanding of the technicals of trading is necessary before you can gain anything from the framework, and you really have to acknowledge & understand through experience the HUGE impact psychology & emotions have on your trading results. The reality is - 95% of trader's won't make it six months. It takes alot to make it in this biz, and it really does ALL come down to psychology. ."

Hey I'd like to share some feedback too.

Post #1
Rok Sivante wroteon Apr 1, 2008 at 6:13 AM.

If this isn't an elaborate April Fools joke then it has to be one of the most entertaining works of comedy fiction ever to bless these boards.

Where is the emperical evidence for all these sweeping claims? Anecdotal and about as scientific as kiniseology I suspect.

If you want to really learn about left brain function I suggest you read some of Nine's recent posts instead of peddling this lame attempt to bamboozle the less savvy with talk of Fibonacci numbers ruling the Universe and the mysterious Olga desperately deserving world wide recognition for her metaphysical insights.

Leonardo of Pisa was an eleventh century mathematician who used the Fibonacci sequence (which incidentally wasn't his invention) to solve a problem concerning the population of rabbits. There are equally as many things in nature that do not conform to Fibonacci as those that do. As far as trading is concerned the most important 'Fibonacci number' often cited is the 50% fib and that isn't even a fibonacci number, it's actually equal to one half.

[/QUOTE]I must clarify - while this may sound like a sales pitch, I have no affiliation or business interest whatsoever with LeftBrainTrading -[/QUOTE]

You must have some interest to go to this trouble. Perhaps with the mysterious Olga?

Please produce some evidence instead of hyperbole.

Thanks for the piece though. As I said previously, it clearly deserves a glittering award.

 

[rols]

Here's a bit of info on the science of Kinesiology.
Unbelievable that people believe in this stuff.

Applied Kinesiology & Fairies
The SCAM diagnostic test, Applied Kinesiology, is when the quack pushes on your arm while a substance is held near you. If the arm is weak, then that item is causing your illness. It is used by naturopaths, chiropractors, herbalists and others who practice health fraud. Some even have their assistant hold your hand and then push on the assistant's arm to test YOUR health.

One supporter of this diagnostic test was saying that it was being unreasonable to declare this as quackery without taking the time to test it myself. Not trying it myself was "unscientific". She also reminded me that I could not prove that Applied Kinesiology does not work.

I responded to the challenge by asking her to prove that fairies don't exist, reminding her to do this herself and to check under every toadstool to avoid missing the one where they live. It is almost impossible to prove a negative.

With a BBQ coming up soon, I may test Applied Kinesiology with some friends. If nothing else, it will be good for a laugh. What's not so funny, is that quacks use this test and then charge for a corresponding bogus cure to unsuspecting people with illnesses.
Stay Away from Applied Kinesiology

 

[niceguy777]

😆 I read the official Homepage 😆

This is of course my interpretation. Olga's website refers to her as a life-coaching person who has published books on relationships. This stuff is generally all a bit NLP-like - and the book review on the official site even mentions that it is the study of excellent trader's thought patterns - which basically IS NLP (as applied to trading). Olga's website mentions nothing of trading.
The other person in this seminar involved is said to be only interested in the technical Fib business (Based on what the Amazon reviews of the book say). And the kinesiology I got from the above review - this is a discipline I am very skeptical of, owing to the fact that it never appears to stand up to any statistically significant questioning.

You are correct that I know nothing of this - but those are my reasons for summing it up as thus. Reviews of the book generally appear positive - I'm not trying to rubbish it. Having been duped into parting with cash by some trading courses in the past, I may appear skeptical - but I'm sure you've met with such before?

Absolutely right, other than it is nothing to do with NLP, has nothing to do with they way people traditionally use the Fibonacci, and that Olga's methods are unreliable in some way. And it's because I got duped along the way that I developed something that I know to be good. We do free introductory webcasts if you want to get a better idea. The next one is on the 9th April. Send an email if you'd like to be on it.

People spend a lot of time around these forums making uninformed judgments and spouting all sorts of silly nonsense. What they don't seem to realize is that it says more about themselves than it does about the subject being discussed. What's the point of rubbishing something that you so obviously know nothing about (and I don't mean you, Gumping!)? But this is not new or surprising. It happens all the time. The trouble is, it's the very negative subconscious programming that generates this type of stuff that prevents such people from having success in trading. So it's a shame for them. Those, like Rok and many others, who actually find out what it's about, follow through and do the work, are the ones who benefit. When they do benefit, they are happy to tell the world what they have discovered. It's that simple. The others may follow later, after they have wasted more time discovering that the way they are doing things really doesn't bring them what they really want.

🙂

 

[rols]

Exciting Fabulous Developments Rich Tea Trading System

If you want a FREE trading system that works and is based on rigorous scientific principles then I generously reprint the Rich Tea Trading System.

I have had emails from around the world from previously broken traders who have discovered the Rich Tea System and made it their own.

Exciting new variants.

A trader from Quebec, reporting sensational results, has been using the system for EOD trading using Jacobs Cream Crackers. Apparently this type of biscuit suits the longer time frame.

Another refinement is the Garibaldi retracement method

Before entering a position take a fresh Garibaldi, and without hesitation dip and dunk as below.

The percentage of the piece of biscuit that remains in your fingers is the Garibaldi retracement. These biscuits actually are designed for trading because you will notice they already have little marks on them which will help with the calculations. Wait for the market to retrace to this level then dunk your regular biscuit to determine the entry. Isn't that fantastic? This one was sent in by Konrad from Moscow.


Here is the original method again.

1. Just before the open make a nice cup of tea - I find PG Tips as good as any.
2. Take a fresh packet of Rich Tea biscuits and remove one and keep at the ready.
3. Wait for the first minute candle to form then dunk the biscuit in the tea about halfway and hold in the hot liquid for approx 5 seconds.
4. Gently lift the biscuit from the tea and hold above the cup.
5. This is the important bit: If the dunked half falls back into the cup then SHORT at market, if it remains intact then go LONG. Try and time step no. 5 to coincide with the third candle.
6. Now make another fresh cup off tea, sit back and watch and exit on the completion of the 8 minute candle.
7. If successful then repeat steps 3 - 5 again as many times as you like or until you run out of biscuits.



Some info on Garibaldi and his place in the Universe.

A complete one off, the Garibaldi biscuit is unlike any other, and as such commands a unique position in the biscuit world.
Where do I begin, its got more currents in it than even a fruit shortcake. They come in big slabs with little marks where you are supposed to break them up. Its almost like they are shipping in kit form, and it requires a little extra bit of engagement from the biscuit eater.

They seem somehow flatter than other biscuits and their glaze gives them a high specular index.

Affectionately known as dead fly biscuits, yet again the sheer fact they have a nick name marks them out from their other biscuit brethren.


For more biscuit knowledge check out
Biscuit of the Week


The above strategy is intended for educational purposes only and trading with scalding hot liquids can result in a nasty accident.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

 

[belflan]

Absolutely right, other than it is nothing to do with NLP, has nothing to do with they way people traditionally use the Fibonacci, and that Olga's methods are unreliable in some way. And it's because I got duped along the way that I developed something that I know to be good. We do free introductory webcasts if you want to get a better idea. The next one is on the 9th April. Send an email if you'd like to be on it.

People spend a lot of time around these forums making uninformed judgments and spouting all sorts of silly nonsense. What they don't seem to realize is that it says more about themselves than it does about the subject being discussed. What's the point of rubbishing something that you so obviously know nothing about (and I don't mean you, Gumping!)? But this is not new or surprising. It happens all the time. The trouble is, it's the very negative subconscious programming that generates this type of stuff that prevents such people from having success in trading. So it's a shame for them. Those, like Rok and many others, who actually find out what it's about, follow through and do the work, are the ones who benefit. When they do benefit, they are happy to tell the world what they have discovered. It's that simple. The others may follow later, after they have wasted more time discovering that the way they are doing things really doesn't bring them what they really want.

🙂

look mate, if it's crap. it will be called crap on this forum

thanks to the respected members

 

[niceguy777]

Hi belflan, nice to meet you. You have an elegent way with words!

Well, I invite everyone on the forum to the webcast, and then they can publicize their thoughts on this forum, as you suggest.

What if they find it's incredibly good?

 

[nine]

It's a slick come on. But given that PT Barnum was right and there is a sucker born every minute (every 20 seconds now?) they will do very well from the suckers they attract.





Disclaimer: This post is my own personal view and does not necessarily represent those of the management of T2W.

 

[PKFFW]

Applied Kinesiology & Fairies
The SCAM diagnostic test, Applied Kinesiology, is when the quack pushes on your arm while a substance is held near you. If the arm is weak, then that item is causing your illness. It is used by naturopaths, chiropractors, herbalists and others who practice health fraud.

I'd just like to point out that there is a large body of scientific research that supports the use of Chiropractic care.

Of course not all claims by Chiropractors can be scientifically proven and should be viewed with a healthy dose of scepticism. Just as many of the claims made by "western modern medicine" can not be scientifically proven and should also be viewed with scepticism.

As for the rest of it, I think the fairies came up with it all in the first place.

Cheers,
PKFFW

 

[nine]

Actually, if you'd care to point me at peer reviewed research on Chiropractic carried out by trained scientific researchers I'd love to see it.

I'd also like to see any double blind or other such tests designed to eliminate distortions on the part of observers, support, and participants. Its surprising how often testing is called scientific and doesn't come close to being rigorous or unbiased.

 

[pedro01]

If you want a FREE trading system that works and is based on rigorous scientific principles then I generously reprint the Rich Tea Trading System.

I have had emails from around the world from previously broken traders who have discovered the Rich Tea System and made it their own.

Exciting new variants.

A trader from Quebec, reporting sensational results, has been using the system for EOD trading using Jacobs Cream Crackers. Apparently this type of biscuit suits the longer time frame.

Another refinement is the Garibaldi retracement method

Before entering a position take a fresh Garibaldi, and without hesitation dip and dunk as below.

The percentage of the piece of biscuit that remains in your fingers is the Garibaldi retracement. These biscuits actually are designed for trading because you will notice they already have little marks on them which will help with the calculations. Wait for the market to retrace to this level then dunk your regular biscuit to determine the entry. Isn't that fantastic? This one was sent in by Konrad from Moscow.


Here is the original method again.

1. Just before the open make a nice cup of tea - I find PG Tips as good as any.
2. Take a fresh packet of Rich Tea biscuits and remove one and keep at the ready.
3. Wait for the first minute candle to form then dunk the biscuit in the tea about halfway and hold in the hot liquid for approx 5 seconds.
4. Gently lift the biscuit from the tea and hold above the cup.
5. This is the important bit: If the dunked half falls back into the cup then SHORT at market, if it remains intact then go LONG. Try and time step no. 5 to coincide with the third candle.
6. Now make another fresh cup off tea, sit back and watch and exit on the completion of the 8 minute candle.
7. If successful then repeat steps 3 - 5 again as many times as you like or until you run out of biscuits.



Some info on Garibaldi and his place in the Universe.

A complete one off, the Garibaldi biscuit is unlike any other, and as such commands a unique position in the biscuit world.
Where do I begin, its got more currents in it than even a fruit shortcake. They come in big slabs with little marks where you are supposed to break them up. Its almost like they are shipping in kit form, and it requires a little extra bit of engagement from the biscuit eater.

They seem somehow flatter than other biscuits and their glaze gives them a high specular index.

Affectionately known as dead fly biscuits, yet again the sheer fact they have a nick name marks them out from their other biscuit brethren.


For more biscuit knowledge check out
Biscuit of the Week


The above strategy is intended for educational purposes only and trading with scalding hot liquids can result in a nasty accident.

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

😆😆 Garibaldi retracement 😆😆😆

That is quite brilliant :clap::clap: 👍

 

[PKFFW]

Actually, if you'd care to point me at peer reviewed research on Chiropractic carried out by trained scientific researchers I'd love to see it.

I'd also like to see any double blind or other such tests designed to eliminate distortions on the part of observers, support, and participants. Its surprising how often testing is called scientific and doesn't come close to being rigorous or unbiased.

I'm not terribly interested in linking to anything actually.

There have been numerous double blind and controlled studies that indicate Chiropractic care can be beneficial in treating many ailments. Anyone interested can find the information without too much trouble.

Does this mean chiropractic care is the be all and end all? No. Does it mean that all the claims made by devotees or practioners of chiropractic care are true and accurate? No.

Can it be called "fraud" though? Only be the most biased sceptics out there that refuse to consider anything that they do not already believe to be true.

Cheers,
PKFFW

 

[nine]

Hmmm.

Some references anyway available in: chiropractic

 

[Gumping]

RE: Kinesiology

The stuff I was referring to was some of the double-blind studies mentioned in the article posted by rols.
Basically a double-blind study is where the patient doesn't know what they are receiving, and the therapist doesn't know what they are administering. In this case, I think it was lactose vs. glucose syrup being used with lactose intolerant people. So the therapists knew which patients were lactose intolerant, but did not know whether they were using lactose or glucose solutions in their kinesiology tests. The study found that under the test conditions, they failed to find any link between the patient's response and whether the solutions contained glucose or lactose. Strangely enough, the kinesiologists concluded that it was the double-blind studies that didn't work 😆

However, I think we're getting off topic a little.

NiceGuy: Have you ever done any NLP or life-coaching? The thing is, I've done quite a bit - and not only is the LBT website describing NLP-based techniques, but you are denying that they are NLP-based, while at the same time using phrases that come straight out of NLP textbooks in order to describe them. Most of these life-coaching things are NLP-based, even if they say they are not.

As far as the Fib levels go, if you tell me this course has nothing to do with the way Fib levels are traditionally interpreted, then fair enough. However, I've never seen you mention Fibs in terms of trading, so I don't know if this is just your opinion, based on the fact that you only know what you have learnt on this course about Fib levels.
Problem again here is that one well-known (expensive) course, the instructor tries to claim that the indicator settings are 'proprietry' - imagine that: proprietry stochastic settings! The students actually do tend to believe this - until they've traded for a while and realise it is all baloney! I've seen this many times with people who do these courses - and I am one of them! you'll find ample evidence of it on these boards.
The reviews of the book on amazon mention that there are alot of levels involved in the Fib side of things....so is it just a load of extra levels involved?
If you've ever read Schlossberg's book, he has a chapter about Fib levels, and explains some of them away by describing various hedging techniques that the biggest funds use in the markets - and how these will 'cause' Fib levels to work. And of course as previously noted that the 50% Fib isn't a true Fib level (OK - maybe it is the difference between 1 and 2 😛)

The point to all of this:
If you've just come along to post this in order to advertise this system then congratulations - this thread has given it much publicity.
If, however, you wish to demonstrate how LBT has helped you, then I'd like to see a bit more re: actual trades, or some discussions about Fib levels. Or how these reprogramming techniques have helped you put trades on.
All you have succeeded in doing is making lots of vague statements about what this course is NOT. This of course is an excellent sales tactic, which attempts to differentiate a product from anything else. Think about it: it uses kinesiology, but it must be REAL kinesiology because it works. It uses Fibs, but they are not like other Fibs. It uses subconscious programming techniques, but these are not like the other ones in use.
I hope none of this is taken as personal criticism. I've tried to remain objective in the face of what I have perceived with great skepticism, tried not to criticise but to listen but it is time you spoke a little more.

And my final point is this: anybody who comes to this site asking 'should I do X course?' will be told 'No - these courses are overpriced and the knowledge is available for free on these or other forums'. You will lose nothing by trying to prove to us otherwise, and stand to gain much more.

Of course the LBT people could always pay Trade2Win for advertising space 😎

 

[niceguy777]

It's amazing how people can have so many negative opinions and wacky theories and assumptions about something you don't know about! Wonderful! And you all put so much effort into trying to put it down. Well, I hope you find it useful. Frankly, it doesn't bother me one bit. It's quite funny to see how you react. And none of it moves any of you one inch in a positive direction!

All I can tell you is that, although you have probably never heard of LBT before, thousands of other traders have, and we have had no complaints in three years - only enthusiastic responses from those that do the work. I thought it may be of interest to forum members to know that there is something out there that works, can help you trade simpler, easier and better. Rok's account was very good, and based on his personal experience.

So, if any of you can get past your own negativity, judgmental attitudes and arrogance and take me up on my invitation to show you what it is about on Wednesday, you are very welcome to join me. Otherwise, it wouldn't work for you anyway.

Best of luck with your trading!

 

[nine]

All I can tell you is that, although you have probably never heard of LBT before, thousands of other traders have, and we have had no complaints in three years

So are you a principal of lbt, a trainer, a salesman, or some form of representative then?

If not, how do you know that 1000s have heard of them (how many does this imply were trained?) and that there have been NO complaints in 3 years?

 

[nine]

OK. I have checked your posts. You are a vendor. Please edit your user cp and correct your details or you will be banned for failing to declare your interest.

Also, it appears that your posts are come ons for the training course. And they use the usual "secret" "no one else knows" rubbish that we see with low end internet courses. Thus you are advertising.

If you would like to advertise on T2W please contact the advertising manager, rossored. If not, do not post further posts hinting at the secrets etc etc. If you do so you will be banned.