Care to elaborate with specifics ? I’m hearing medals through competition (DarwinIA) but it must not be what you intend
Alternatives to Darwinex
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Since my isolated point was turned against my will into a dedicated topic about competitors.
Is Darwinex’s conception of things efficient at gathering AuM ? (until now)
collective2.com
Completely different model, hardly comparable, but with AuMs allocated on even shittier fresh strategies. Excuses ?
What is the edge of Collective2 ? For one, they don’t enforce a narrow trading environnement but team up with many brokerage houses which leaves choice and freedom to the applicatants, both on the trader and investor sides...
There is another german company specialising in stocks which obtains a lot higher AuM levels and federates professional traders under its wing. I forgot the name sorry so can’t reference it
Is Darwinex’s conception of things efficient at gathering AuM ? (until now)
Strategies by AUM
What is the edge of Collective2 ? For one, they don’t enforce a narrow trading environnement but team up with many brokerage houses which leaves choice and freedom to the applicatants, both on the trader and investor sides...
There is another german company specialising in stocks which obtains a lot higher AuM levels and federates professional traders under its wing. I forgot the name sorry so can’t reference it
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The jungle is everywhere, among CTAs, PAMMs, social trading and more traditional investments. At least with PAMMs, managers will show some basic requirements like licencing, which should demonstrate a commitment over ethics.@Viro Major PAMMs are a jungle.Real traders don't stand a chance there.Dumb money loses everywhere and with everybody.There is no alternative to education.Well, there was an idea of experienced traders acting as intermediary(Portfolio managers) but Darwinex didn't find that idea interesting because they are smartest and they will teach others how to make money with darwins.
There are CTA programs were at least to stay enrolled you must maintain a maximum drawdown or other criterias. If you fail to, you’re excluded.
Does Konstantin care any longer about his investors ? According to his recent behaviour, it seems he gave up at being serious about recovery, since the nature of his trading doesn’t even fit any longer to be replicated. Just trying to earn some money quickly on earnings made. I’d be curious to check his variations of capital... but he must have other accounts as well.
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Another competitor about mechanical systems only (but that can be fooled)
isystems.com
ampfutures.isystems.com
It has the advantage again to be available at many futures/options brokers, not just one. That permits to choose which technology you want for the piloting and conditions for the deployment. A kind of refinement.
iSystems
isystems.com
Explore | AMP Futures
@Gargamel
eToro is good for investors not for traders.
There are 700k public profiles so the probability is close to zero.
eToro is good for investors not for traders.
There are 700k public profiles so the probability is close to zero.
Yet again, customised service, Chicago based
striker.com
I had a french representative call me once
They were offering a dedicated person at the trading desk to monitor the execution of the strategy, custom order commissions and more, partnering with some large future firms (outside of IB) like ADM Investor Services
www.admis.com
Striker.com
They were offering a dedicated person at the trading desk to monitor the execution of the strategy, custom order commissions and more, partnering with some large future firms (outside of IB) like ADM Investor Services
Futures Brokerage and Clearing | ADM Investor Services - ADM Investor Services
Welcome to ADM Investor Services. We are a leading futures commission merchant and have been in business for more than 50 years.
www.admis.com
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Sorry, I had lunch so a bit late... @Viro Major .Before you posted long post about Duka,word was about Darwinia.It is normal to send your post to some more appropriate place.Now, about PAMMs,if that was not an alternative you were offering,but those other trading facilities ,I don't know.Algo traders are not complaining about what Darwinex offers.Manual traders I don't see complaining either.If you need some refined tools for scalping or other order execution,than I would say you would probably suffer Divergence problems and Darwinex is not for you.If you are a gambler you can compete at other platforms.
I wouldn't say all those thousands of traders at Darwinex are dummies and we need some mythical star-traders to trade with only green months,which in turn will prevent Dumb Money from losing.
I actually don't know what you want.
I wouldn't say all those thousands of traders at Darwinex are dummies and we need some mythical star-traders to trade with only green months,which in turn will prevent Dumb Money from losing.
I actually don't know what you want.
It is a scam.I clicked on a strategy(in top5) that has millions of AuM supposedly and it has grand total of 32 trades executed.It is the same shit as eToro ,Zulu...Take it with a grain of salt what these scammers are posting on their websites.Also if AuM is subscribed,it doesn't mean it is actually trading and with what Risk.Does these firms ever get audited seriously?If they were broker they would get audited(unless 'regulated' on Cyprus ).The same with that Schwager fellow and his company.
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How is it different than GFA ? With C2, a single subscription can be followed by unlimited funds. What you see is the aggregated funds at the customer accounts at regulated brokers.
About the scam comment, C2 is regulated by the NFA/FINRA and comply with yearly checks about their operations to satisfy the US compliance (which they often comment about the difficulty to maintain during audio podcasts)
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
Just like FundSeeder is also regulated as a Commodity Trading Advisor... thus controlled accordingly, something you could learn about what it takes by following courses (books/CDs available online for your reviewing pleasure)
www.nfa.futures.org
Thanks for the seriously joking comments!
About the scam comment, C2 is regulated by the NFA/FINRA and comply with yearly checks about their operations to satisfy the US compliance (which they often comment about the difficulty to maintain during audio podcasts)
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
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To cut short about any further funky assumptions
Striker = Introducing Broker, which is no less controlled than CTA in the USA to say the least
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
iSystems = IB again
www.nfa.futures.org
Requirements
for IB
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
for CTA
www.nfa.futures.org
Penalties waiting for CTAs
www.nfa.futures.org
www.nfa.futures.org
Striker = Introducing Broker, which is no less controlled than CTA in the USA to say the least
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
iSystems = IB again
BASIC | NFA
www.nfa.futures.org
Requirements
for IB
Introducing Broker (IB) Registration | NFA
An introducing broker (IB) is an individual or organization that solicits or accepts orders to buy or sell futures contracts, forex, commodity options, or swaps but does not accept money or other assets from customers to support these orders. This page describes registration requirements for IBs.
www.nfa.futures.org
Introducing Broker (IB) Regulatory Obligations | NFA
Primary page to find information about introducing brokers (IB) members regulatory obligations
www.nfa.futures.org
Compliance Requirements for Introducing Broker (IB) Applicants | NFA
Page provides information on compliance requirements for individual brokers IB applicants
www.nfa.futures.org
Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA) Registration | NFA
Page contains registration requirements for Commodity Trading Advisors (CTA)
www.nfa.futures.org
Penalties waiting for CTAs
Annual CTA Requirements | NFA
Page gives information about commodity trading advisors (cta) annual requirements
www.nfa.futures.org
CTA Reporting Requirements | NFA
Page gives information about Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA) reporting requirements
www.nfa.futures.org
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Psyquation is also good alternative to darwinex. After New d-score change, Psyquation PQ-score is much better then d-score.
They are currently running trading competition and it is based on PQ- score.
They are currently running trading competition and it is based on PQ- score.
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That company has zero real investors and as far as I am concerned they are allocating Demo money to traders.They allow migrations of MT4 accounts from anywhere and their European HQ are in Ukraine.They have no Risk Manager and they use very similar set-up as German competitor of Darwinex called Ayondo which went bankrupt recently.
A screenshot of their Pro traders:
The risk manager is a double edged sword. It protects from the ugly and at the same time pollutes with interference those who know what they are doing. It restricts the creativity, to address strategies which shouldn’t be allowed to be present in the first place.
United-Signals (defunct too) and I think Curensee (same) were applying simple criterias of expectations. When you failed to meet then maintain them, you were simply taken out of the leaders program.
I wish Darwinex could put more pressure on traders ahead to enforce that if they fail at XYZ they become definitely excluded, or apply penalties, because now it’s self-service at alternating between the good and the ugly. There is no commitment announced, just that the risk is managed but it has nothing to do with actual results. That shows that Darwinex is first and foremost a sugar coated broker because unlike other dedicated asset management firms, they won’t stop anyone when acting poorly. One more reason they should improve as a broker. Above all, they‘re a wrapped-up broker, just with incentives.
United-Signals (defunct too) and I think Curensee (same) were applying simple criterias of expectations. When you failed to meet then maintain them, you were simply taken out of the leaders program.
I wish Darwinex could put more pressure on traders ahead to enforce that if they fail at XYZ they become definitely excluded, or apply penalties, because now it’s self-service at alternating between the good and the ugly. There is no commitment announced, just that the risk is managed but it has nothing to do with actual results. That shows that Darwinex is first and foremost a sugar coated broker because unlike other dedicated asset management firms, they won’t stop anyone when acting poorly. One more reason they should improve as a broker. Above all, they‘re a wrapped-up broker, just with incentives.
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