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The Maybot is already Prime Minister.
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The problem here is deciding what constitutes "sensible"?
If AI have their own terms of reference, they may decide on a set of rules that may be sensible, but only in the abstract.
People tend to vote for their own self-interest.
The idea of feeding the world may be a noble aim, but AI may decide to achieve it is to not allow the importation of excessive foods into the first world, and allow it to be distributed to the needy. Resulting in less choice, which we may interpret as shortages. (even though I think we throw away quite a lot of spoiled food because we buy too much).
AI may solve the CO2 problems by raising the cost of power, and enforcing blackouts to conserve what fuel we do have.
We wont suffer, but will force us to use power wisely, which we will interpret as "meddling", or "inhumane".
People, generally, are idiots.
Re: an earlier post about being suspicious of technology, I think there may be a point.
It struck me that everything is now so miniaturised, we cant repair anything ourselves.
Remember wires? Resistors? Capacitors? Circuits? I loved taking things apart and making sense of how wires went somewhere in a device, connecting parts together. Cant meddle with things anymore.
I struggle to take a car engine apart these days. The real essence has gone from mechanical to ephemeral software.
I remember my dad taking a distributor cap off; showing me how to check spark plugs. And how the carburetor works, etc
These days, I cant visualise how one part makes another part move, because the connection is via sofrware.
(by the way, I work in software!)
I must be getting old, or something.
Re: Turing Test: I actually believe that most humans would fail the Turing Test.
Have a great Easter Holiday. Enjoy the chocolate.
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AI could be the absolute worst of humankind.
Remember they learn from us. If they are programmed to learn from us then yes very much so they could easily become worse than corrupt officials in banana republics. They can do anything we can but at a much better.
Free rider problem is a big pain point in game theory. What's in it for me and why should I endure costs I don't need to? Why should I carry my litter when I can simply drop it, knowing it will get picked up by someone else? I'm not likely ever to see it behind me anyhow?
Bit like our financial crises and capitalism. Privatise profits and nationalise losses.
Capitalism and profits are the disease. Man's greed knows no bounds.
Consume all with as little restraint and effort as possible.
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Another interesting article explaining possible problems with AI and the future of the human race.
AI systems are given goals and AI will cheat to attain those goals.
AI systems are given goals and AI will cheat to attain those goals.
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There is nothing left to believe anymore!
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Last night (New Years Eve), I had a 2 minute period of panic (until I searched the internet) where I could not believe what I was seeing, I thought we were under a missile attack or some sort of alien invasion as I looked to the starry heavens from the ground in the East of the UK at around 1730hrs.
A line of small white dots, perfectly spaced, all travelling at the same speed, surreal. A single dot on its own would have meant nothing but just another satellite passing overhead. But what the hell was this I was viewing through slightly inebriated eyes, it was an amazing moment, probably akin to seeing a satellite for the first time, but not knowing what it was, a moving star?
Then the internet came to the rescue and put me back down onto Earth, it was the Space-X Starlink #2 satellite constellation passing overhead, launched in Nov 2019, consisting of 60 satellites (thousands more planned) I'd never heard of its launch or knew of its existence until I saw it with my own two blurry eyes.
I'm not sure whether to feel privileged or have a sense of uneasiness that I've witnessed such a thing, is it beautiful, is it polluting, is it nefarious (my cynical conspiracy-theory-come-true mind tells me nefarious is the most likely).
Where are we headed with these new types of satellite constellations, 'they' say it is for High Speed Global Internet, but why? Why spend so much money, time and energy in such an endeavour, is it related to Trump's new Space Command, mission to Mars, or just mining the moon. Thousands of satellites robotically working together to provide broadband internet to far off locations?
A line of small white dots, perfectly spaced, all travelling at the same speed, surreal. A single dot on its own would have meant nothing but just another satellite passing overhead. But what the hell was this I was viewing through slightly inebriated eyes, it was an amazing moment, probably akin to seeing a satellite for the first time, but not knowing what it was, a moving star?
Then the internet came to the rescue and put me back down onto Earth, it was the Space-X Starlink #2 satellite constellation passing overhead, launched in Nov 2019, consisting of 60 satellites (thousands more planned) I'd never heard of its launch or knew of its existence until I saw it with my own two blurry eyes.
I'm not sure whether to feel privileged or have a sense of uneasiness that I've witnessed such a thing, is it beautiful, is it polluting, is it nefarious (my cynical conspiracy-theory-come-true mind tells me nefarious is the most likely).
Where are we headed with these new types of satellite constellations, 'they' say it is for High Speed Global Internet, but why? Why spend so much money, time and energy in such an endeavour, is it related to Trump's new Space Command, mission to Mars, or just mining the moon. Thousands of satellites robotically working together to provide broadband internet to far off locations?
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There has been a lot of speculation on what human jobs will survive the coming robot age. One that I think will live on for a long time will be professional athletes.
Take my favorite sport for instance: Ice hockey. I for one can not imagine paying hundreds of dollars to see a bunch of robots shoot the puck at 1000 miles per hour. #1 It would break the speed of sound, #2 I wouldn’t be able to see the puck, and #3 it would kill the spectators if it ever went up and over the glass. If they could even build shatter-proof plexiglas capable of withstanding a robot’s shot which would only get faster with time.
I actually think spectator sports will have a big improvement in the talent pool because when people don’t have to work they will spend more time playing their favorite games and the increase in numbers will lead to more amateurs making the minor leagues. With many more teams in the minor league system the big leagues such as the NHL will have a huge pool of talent to draw from.
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trendie,
Future machines may not be as hostile towards humans as some may fear. What we need is smarter humans.The only thing stopping genetic researchers from making smarter humans is fear mongering which wrongly leads to government regulation.
I can see a future maybe 150 plus years from now where the "dumbest" person on Earth has what would be considered a 300 IQ in today’s measurement. Which of course, nobody today has. Future machines may actually respect us if they see our intelligence increasing over time.
The biggest problem I see with using genetics to engineer people to be much smarter is not so much an intelligence arms race against robots but a genetic arms race against rogue nations. If China and other bad actors start making their citizens super smart, the rest of the world will be forced to compete genetically or fall behind and eventually lose.
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You seem to be concentrating on the wrong thing. Super clever people will no doubt produce amongst other things worse weapons as they battle it out for supremacy. Ideally this increase in IQ would also be used to make people more moral and not start wars, exploit deadly viruses etc. With the present set up of dog-eat-dog I think it is highly unlikely their increased talents will be put to good use exclusively.
Vast amounts of money and talent is wasted on the militaries around the globe. People worry that malicious AI will be developed to bring down the infrastructure of rival nations. Without power, water and food the world could easily be plunged into a new dark age.
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Would'nt surprise me if a new era of Luddism were to materialize all around the world if AI takes millions of jobs.
This could force politicians to restrict the use of robots to niche and specialist jobs just to keep the population off the dole queues.
This could force politicians to restrict the use of robots to niche and specialist jobs just to keep the population off the dole queues.
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Universal credit of £500/month for everyone (as long as you meet the environmental and travel restrictions and access the correct internet and have the correct opinions) will be provided instead of being on the dole, free money and free leisure time, what could possibly go wrong.
People designing, developing and maintaining the robots will be the highest paid and will have much more say in how the place is run.
The upside is that all those not working will be far healthier than those working, all that free time to be outdoors getting fit and healthy and not being sat behind a desk everyday.
I'll take the latter choice, bring on the robots.
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And owners of the climate, internet, transport, water, food and leisure systems.
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The problem as I see it is not of intelligence, but of wisdom. Geneticists may be able to produce super genes to boost our intelligence but as far as I’ve read about the subject, there is no such thing as wisdom genes in our genetic code.
After I wrote my post I got to thinking. The leaders of authoritarian nations will probably want to boost the intelligence of their loyal party members only and keep the masses as dumb as possible. I can’t imagine super smart people putting up with bullying type governments. It’s been suggested before in at least one economics book that the most dangerous thing for socialist governments are citizens who can think for themselves.
Nations that have their entire population super intelligent could have a bigger pool of talent to come up with counter measures if authoritarian nations try anything stupid. And yes, if need be, the democracies could come up with offensive measures too. Don’t forget, NATO’s nuclear weapons kept the Soviet’s military adventurism to within the Warsaw Pact’s own membership when the Politburo felt they were getting out of line.
