Will artificial intelligence affect you ?

[Pat494]

Oh YES and how.
Here is a video that puts it simply and clearly.
Have you thought about it ? Are you ready ?
Will your job disappear ?

Watch the video

Comments welcome

 

[Signalcalc]

Oh YES and how.
Here is a video that puts it simply and clearly.
Have you thought about it ? Are you ready ?
Will your job disappear ?

Watch the video

Comments welcome

Yes, it provides my income as I implement AI systems.

Yes, because I see my wife's job being replaced by AI.

I don't think many will escape its impact either for good or not so good, it is the next industrial revolution and started with the invention of professional computers in the 50's and has accelerated in the last decade.

On a more domestic scale the job of the housewife has largely been replaced by white goods that know how to wash, cook and hoover etc. Freeing women to be more active in the workplace by spending less time at home.

Lots of advantages and disadvantages depending on context.

 

[Pat494]

I wonder how long it will be before AI makes financial traders such as us redundant ?
If AI gets control of the markets then surely it has control of the planet and its resources.
As the newer versions now write their own software and humans no longer understand their algorithms, it could be a major problem. One video I watched said that future AI would put in its own software so the only alternative is to switch off the whole thing - yikes !!

 

[FXX]

Food for thought

 

[Pat494]

The search for Aliens goes on.
Everyone can help look for alien signals on their own computer in the form of a screen saver programme. This can be downloaded free at SETI.

 

[NVP]

I have enough problem with non-artificial intelligence ....so no worries from me

N

 

[Signalcalc]

Almost everyday I am being asked to look at automated processing systems that replace humans, latest one will replace 7.5 people's manual computing effort and that is just one piece of work for me. I get through a number of these on an annual basis, there are many others involved in this process, I'm sure some must realise what is happening.

What the consequences will be I'm not sure, will these spare people be used for other productive work, they are only processing computer transactions so are relatively low skilled (but relatively high skilled compared to manual labour), what else can they be used for? Short term measures have been put in place to protect people's jobs, but in 5-10 years, then what?

There are others like me doing the same, probably number in the 1,000's rather than millions worldwide as this is a highly skilled and specialised field of work and we are constantly busy, too busy, and in high demand.

There is a large industry behind the production of software that provides the automated systems to implement, even they will slowly be replaced as the software become's smart enough to replace the software developers. Sooner or later someone (like me) will engineer my job out of existence.

I don't believe anyone has the answers yet. Those managing the transition need to be cognisant of the process, but are they? Or do they just see $$$$ saved and profits increasing?

It seems the generations of engineers in prior industrial revolutions that went before us only saw increasing efficiencies and a massive pool of labour that could be trained to fill the new ways of working, a larger workforce was needed to run the factories to meet the demand of growing populations.

Now the computer age has reversed the trend, we just don't need the labour anymore and yet the population is still increasing.

What will happen to these 1st world people with nothing to do? The Tomorrow's World utopia of unlimited leisure time is upon us, but who is going to fund it?

The 1st world will have moved on so fast that the 3rd world will hardly see any of what we are about to experience, there will just be no jobs at all for them and with increasing populations.........

Governments appear to be taking some notice, but what advice are they receiving and from whom, industry lobbyists? Graduates with theories? Professors with no real life experience?

The money will have to come from somewhere, high taxes on the companies making profits? High taxes on those left with the skills to do the work? What about population control, are radical ideas needed to understand how to deal with people that have mass leisure time but no cash to enjoy it?

Will we need another industrial revolution to remove industrialised agriculture and put people to work in the fields again, reversing all the progress of the last 300-400 years, is anyone talking about this stuff at all (apart from on this thread )?

 

[sminicooper]

Almost everyday I am being asked to look at automated processing systems that replace humans, latest one will replace 7.5 people's manual computing effort and that is just one piece of work for me. I get through a number of these on an annual basis, there are many others involved in this process, I'm sure some must realise what is happening.

What the consequences will be I'm not sure, will these spare people be used for other productive work, they are only processing computer transactions so are relatively low skilled (but relatively high skilled compared to manual labour), what else can they be used for? Short term measures have been put in place to protect people's jobs, but in 5-10 years, then what?

There are others like me doing the same, probably number in the 1,000's rather than millions worldwide as this is a highly skilled and specialised field of work and we are constantly busy, too busy, and in high demand.

There is a large industry behind the production of software that provides the automated systems to implement, even they will slowly be replaced as the software become's smart enough to replace the software developers. Sooner or later someone (like me) will engineer my job out of existence.

I don't believe anyone has the answers yet. Those managing the transition need to be cognisant of the process, but are they? Or do they just see $$$$ saved and profits increasing?

It seems the generations of engineers in prior industrial revolutions that went before us only saw increasing efficiencies and a massive pool of labour that could be trained to fill the new ways of working, a larger workforce was needed to run the factories to meet the demand of growing populations.

Now the computer age has reversed the trend, we just don't need the labour anymore and yet the population is still increasing.

What will happen to these 1st world people with nothing to do? The Tomorrow's World utopia of unlimited leisure time is upon us, but who is going to fund it?

The 1st world will have moved on so fast that the 3rd world will hardly see any of what we are about to experience, there will just be no jobs at all for them and with increasing populations.........

Governments appear to be taking some notice, but what advice are they receiving and from whom, industry lobbyists? Graduates with theories? Professors with no real life experience?

The money will have to come from somewhere, high taxes on the companies making profits? High taxes on those left with the skills to do the work? What about population control, are radical ideas needed to understand how to deal with people that have mass leisure time but no cash to enjoy it?

Will we need another industrial revolution to remove industrialised agriculture and put people to work in the fields again, reversing all the progress of the last 300-400 years, is anyone talking about this stuff at all (apart from on this thread )?

Very interesting and well reasoned comments. In the early days of the digital revolution it seemed that the new technology actually increased employment by providing more new jobs. But as you rightly argue, it's very uncertain as to whether this trend will persist. I'm pretty sure that some people in government are aware of this problem but in the best political tradition it will be shelved until it's become much more pressing and much more difficult to solve. Historically, there has always been the "submerged third" who have been difficult to employ and have relied upon support. I can only see this problem getting worse – we still all have the same relative brainpower despite all our degrees in shelf-stacking etc etc.

There is little prospect of population control so taken to extremes the natural process will solve the problem but not in a very elegant or pleasant manner. There is also the new idea being trialled elsewhere of everyone having a state "wage" meaning that for a basic lifestyle you don't need to work. On the other hand, if you have skills and want to work then you can enhance your standards greatly – of course, it does depend what you mean by "standards". I can see the benefit of having lots of basically-funded free time to pursue one's own interests – after all, isn't that what the early retirement schemes of the late 20th century gave to many people?

It's interesting that ever since inventing the wheel the onslaught of technology has improved (overall and in the main) people's lives. In my opinion we have some way to go yet before eventually it could end up destroying its creators. Come back in 100 years for an update.

 

[Pat494]

It is true some people like to work and not just for the money. There are interesting jobs out there and many will not be filled by robots. I think and perhaps hope that human beings will never be totally redundant and machines stay subject to our wills.

Politicians will be increasingly aided by AI but probably never fully replaced.

Keep that on/off switch handy just in case imho.

 

[Signalcalc]

There is little prospect of population control so taken to extremes the natural process will solve the problem but not in a very elegant or pleasant manner.

Governments exert powerful controls over population levels. Population control using social engineering in the political context has been used ever since governments figured out that they could influence population growth through policy and propaganda.

Take the benefits system, migration, workers rights, hate crime, the education system, medical, food, agricultural, tax & pay policies as examples of social engineering, all of which are communicated using the media:

1. Child benefit can be used to influence people's decisions about the number of children to have.
2. Workers rights and benefits have enabled women to remain in the workplace following childbirth by shifting the responsibility of childcare to either their lower paid husbands (if they have one) and/or 3rd party care providers. Employers are mandatory obliged to allow this as well as allowing for fathers to take paternity leave.
3. Flexible working patterns also enable parents to fit some of their working lives around children.
4. Migration policy allows 3rd world people with higher birth rates to settle in countries with 1st world, lower birth rates.
5. Hate crime attempts to alters people's perceptions about each other in an attempt to allow for differences in foreign cultures and cultural practices, enabling a smoother influx of 3rd world cultures. Removing sexism, enabling acceptance of equal rights, making people's attitudes homogenous.
6. Marriage laws and civil partnerships allows for any genders to have children through surrogacy, adoption or naturally.
7. Manipulation of the school curriculums to introduce social engineering policies ensures that children grow into adults with a mindset that the government of the day wishes to impose.
8. Policies allowing pharmaceutical and food industries to produce food and medicines on a mass scale to keep the population in a healthy state.
9. Regulatory frameworks that allow technological advances to enable foodstuffs to last longer, to be transported, GMO
10. Regulatory frameworks that allow medicinal advances to help survivability in childbirth and enable abortions, IVF, childbirth later in life, sperm donation.
11. Taxes and tariffs to influence the choice of consumers that the right kind of food is, or is not, consumed.
12. The judicial system is used to force child support payments usually from the father to the mother direct from pay packets, enabling the mother to better support more children, which can also be from multiple fathers

All of these aspects, and more, of political social engineering can be used to influence the increase or decrease in population growth. Then of course there is the Chinese example of only allowing for a single child per couple which has recently been relaxed.

The natural balance is lost in the Western world and even in the 3rd world where a natural cycle of famines and disease may go some way to balance population growth, the influence of better farming practices, charity and medicines all enabling more people to survive for longer.

 

[Signalcalc]

Pepper the robot tells MPs about artificial intelligence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45878164

 

[Pat494]

Pepper the robot tells MPs about artificial intelligence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45878164

Seems impressive until " MPs smiled when the robot was wheeled in, although both questions and answers were pre-arranged."


Maybe much of this AI stuff is over hyped by their makers ?

 

[YouAreNotFree]

I saw the writing on the wall 4 years ago. So, I've taught myself python and automated my day trading.

My days are now spent developing my skills towards that of a professional level programmer and working on small, interesting projects(and much more arsing about!).

 

[Pat494]

Now some of the life size robot dolls look really good. No wrinkles, answering back, foul moods etc. Watch out girls/guys your competition has just got tougher.

 

[new_trader]

Artificial intelligence is us.

We are nothing more than simulations living in a virtual world running on an Alien supercomputer.

 

[YouAreNotFree]

We are nothing more than simulations living in a virtual world running on an Alien supercomputer.

In that case, Alien masters, can you do me a solid and increase my ***** parameter a few inches?

Thanks.

 

[sminicooper]

I saw the writing on the wall 4 years ago. So, I've taught myself python and automated my day trading.

My days are now spent developing my skills towards that of a professional level programmer and working on small, interesting projects(and much more arsing about!).

I'm thinking the same. Can you recommend any books/tutorials on Python coding for broker APIs?

 

[new_trader]

I'm thinking the same. Can you recommend any books/tutorials on Python coding for broker APIs?

Try starting here:http://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/introduction-to-programming-with-python-8360?l=lqhuMxFz_8904984382

The Instructors are a bit tedius but MVA is an excellent place to begin (IMO)

 

[Oscar Reed]

 

[sminicooper]

Interesting video and worth listening to. Because the sound quality isn't brilliant I found it quite helpful to switch on the YouTube "subtitles/captions".