Why is life suddenly so cheap?

grubs50

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Life seems to have become so cheap in this new millenium, Sucide bombing have suddenly become part of our daily lives, it is now part of our daily lives to read about missing ppl esp girls being found dead , people getting killed by muggers and wierdos and even as a result of road rage. Reading that soldiers are killed in various wars around the world is now not as shocking as it would have been in the past.............i can go on and on with various examples but what has really changed in our society to make life so CHEAP!!!.
 

Trader333

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The only thing that has changed is the speed at which information is transmitted around the world. Other than that nothing has changed and I am amazed you even think that it has. Have you forgotten that only 60 years ago 40 Million people were killed in WW2 which included suicide bombers from Japan ?

The UK itself may not have had the number of deaths we now hear about but elsewhere in the World there was plenty of it going on for example in 1980 to 1988 over 1Million died in the Iran Iraq war and there are many more examples of this.

For those in power or in positions of dominance, life has been, is now and always will be, "cheap"


Paul
 

Finlayson

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Grubs.......maybe the 'witnesses' have it right ....maybe we r heading for that big Bombshell!

Personally I think we r just self-destructive......& if u go back in history things have never really changed we have always been like this, but with modern technology we just get to hear about it more.

Jay
 

bonsai

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The streets of London and Glasgow , Liverpool etc never were
all that safe.
Or the back alleys in Calcutta.
It's how we came to populate Australia !
Remember the Mohocks of the 18th century ?

The internal tribal wiring which triggers the need for power over our fellow man whether at the personal or governing level is part of the (male) human condition, it would seem.

But war is just another form of theft.
And is not part of the human condition.
 

jsd

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money.... capitalism must have a balancing act, its the big situation that the planet is going through,its seems attitudes are biased towards i want more now, people are being sold lifestyles that they should be aspiring to, today there is more affluence in peoples lives yet the planet has never been more miserable with themselves (western society), I Managed to aquire second hand book, called "Britain on the couch" which goes into detail regarding such matters, suggesting its other peoples expectations of ourselves which has a lot to do with why people are suffering more (mentally) , perceptions and beliefs. I feel that maybe we are going through a capitalistic Blow off over the next century, i'm sure we will completely bugger the markets and the planet maybe, but after that when people look back and realise how stupid people were early 2000, then maybe people will discover the next big thing, the human mind.

but I wouldn't say human nature is impossible to change, i think it takes time to evolve, and we as a species are relative newcomers as life on this planet so lets review it in another 1000 years maybe and see how we are doing.

Ive no doubt that slowly people are beginning to question themselves.

all life = energy
energy cannot be destroyed
the human identity dies- but then what ?

the biggest question..
JD
 

grubs50

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But don't you think that there is less 'shock value' now..........it all seems to be part of our daily life.............compare the sucide bombings of the past few years and the previous 20 years even including the Palestinian intifada and u would see that there has been a disproportionate increase.
 

stevet

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i with trader333 on this - we just get to hear a lot more, a lot faster and in a lot more depth - and i am sure that things get a lot better overall as each year goes by

but that still makes it real depressing when you hear the **** that goes on, but as you get older you end up with less anger over stuff and more just wishing people could see how wasteful their actions can be for themselves and others

one weak cowardly person can just do more damage now due to the opportunites - but they are still one person
 

grubs50

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A lot of the worst cases in the third world don't even get reported despite better communications . IMO, i don't think the developed world has been this bad in terms of total disregard for life.
 

stevet

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grubs50

there are a lot of people in the world - **** is gonna happen no matter how you figure it - but 99.999999999999999999% of people are good - you got to be carefully optimistic - but bear in mind that a small proportion of the 100% are gonna be fruits and when fruit gets rotten - its gonna have the capability for damage
 

Trader333

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stevet,

Based on your above percentage figures then less than 1 person on the entire planet is not good and I would suggest that the evidence for a larger number of "not good" people is overwhelming.


Paul
 

stevet

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trader333

i know you are up on this math stuff - but in this case i suspect you are wrong - figure out the population of the UK and extrapulate to say the number of people in prison for real bad deeds and then extrapulate that number to those who might still be roaming around free - and i bet you i might for once be close!

but you know i love adding on those decimal points
 

bonsai

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what about your "lurkers with evil intent " ?

I love that phrase, it summons up all sorts of Poeist images.

(take off one decimal place !)
 

jsd

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grubs50 said:
i can go on and on with various examples but what has really changed in our society to make life so CHEAP!!!.

People are lost with themselves people are sold the american way of life, but are people truly happy when they achieve it? did they want it? do they feel they have to chase it? will they be called failures if they dont make it or called losers because they dare to challenge the status quo of it all?

I certainly have no idea what way globally people will go but i suspect it will be a cycle of sorts, love, hate, fear, capitalism,compassion,spiritualism.

which course is the planet currently sailing along ?
we as a race dont like to share, at this stage in our evolution, it seems, until we shift that habbit and become less fearful of others it will be a wild and violent struggle i suspect.

JD
 

stevet

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fortuneatly or unfortuneatly we only have a short ticket for the life ride - so best to try and enjoy it and not get too worried about cataclysmic unfolding events in the year 3000
 

bbmac

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there is a real contradiction between the content expressed above, ie: the human conditions' need to dominate each other and thus devalue life, weighed against all the advances tha are made and strived for in technology and science, which fall into 3 categories:

1. To make communication with each other easier and more effective, (eg: telephone, internet etc..)
2. To improve each others standard of living, (eg: all consume goods, housing, sanitation.)
3. To improve each others health, (advances in medical science.)

All these display an inherant need to talk to each other more and understand each other, whilst making life easier and improving each other's health, yet e still want to kill ach other over what are on a global scale, pretty petty squabbles.

I agree with the poster above who says that humankind is currently in a sustained period of examining itself and will come out of it better.

All wars are about one thing only: territory, and if you think about it 'nationalism' is a false and contrived concept. Just look at the post war european project; Europe is now a village with less and less boundaries to trade and movement. The concept of nationalism will dissapear and it is the integrationists that have got it right. If you bring all people togethor under a common identity the less chance they will wa with each other. (The 'united' states of America is another good example where peoples of all nationalities, creedds and colours live under a common identity, by and large peacefully.) In Europe this will be harder to achieve because the nations here have very long hsitorys as nations.

I live in Central London and kLondon itself is a microcosm of this, for example where I live, has very high numbers of Italians, Americanns and Arabs, and again by and large it works.

Integration and common identity is the key to prevent war and whlist some 'little englander isolationists' may not like it, we as a species are ultimtely compelled and heading that way. For my own part-long may that road continue.

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