UK Politics

[alan5616]

She makes lots of good points, especially around California, Commies and trailer trash. Maybe less so about Rishy.

I still think Truss is dangerous, but hey, if you don't mind London getting nuked, she's your PM.

We've, already been metaphorically nuked by 12 years of Tory corruption and malpractice.

 

[alan5616]

This woman changed her political support from LibDem to Conservative; changed from being a Remainer to a Brexiteer. It is quite possible that she will become our next PM.

 

[counter_violent]

This woman changed her political support from LibDem to Conservative; changed from being a Remainer to a Brexiteer. It is quite possible that she will become our next PM.
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Yes a typical modern day politician. No standards, no conviction and no beliefs.

 

[tomorton]

This woman changed her political support from LibDem to Conservative; changed from being a Remainer to a Brexiteer. It is quite possible that she will become our next PM.
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As Edwina Currie said, perhaps she will be another Theresa May.

Theresa May seemed to achieve one thing so far in her career. When she was told to get rid of some police she did. After that, because nobody told her what to do, she did nothing more.

 

[alan5616]

I watched the debate between Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss, last night, before a carefully selected audience of Tory voters. It was completely orchestrated. There were no questions on the Brexit fiasco or, the huge cost of shipping migrants to Rwanda. A waste of an hour, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Atilla]

That really was Boris lies all over again. The continuation of the Brexit lies. Elephant in the room.

Brexit dividend.
Growth due to Brexit.
How many freaking trade deals LT has signed? Anybody know?
Make Brexit work for us.
Great opportunity.
Flying pigs all over the place.

I didn't like RS's constant interruptions. He really is full of himself and seemed too desperate. Reminds me a little of Blair in his body language, thus all the more dread.

LT's hand gesticulations were all sooooo superficial. I think she got her point across really well and will be the darling of the Tories.

 

[counter_violent]

Well, Sunak has a semblance of economic credibility, whereas Truss has none. So if the wrong one is chosen, then we can look forward to rampant inflation coupled with sky high interest rates.

 

[Atilla]

As Edwina Currie said, perhaps she will be another Theresa May.

Theresa May seemed to achieve one thing so far in her career. When she was told to get rid of some police she did. After that, because nobody told her what to do, she did nothing more.

Tories have been getting rid of police, nurses and libraries and many more social services.

Let's have more bigger tax cuts and let the Tories get elected. Coz they really know how to manage the economy and services.

LOL

 

[timsk]

. . . So if the wrong one is chosen,. . .

You think there's a 'right' one, c_v?!
They're both hopeless; the result will be much the same whichever one wins. I agree that Rishi has a 'semblance of economic credibility' right up to the point where someone asks: 'whose hand was on the economic tiller that got us into this mess?' He increased the M1 money supply by a third in two years and yet, according to him, that hasn't contributed to inflation. I'm afraid I don't trust either of 'em further than . . .
Tim.

 

[counter_violent]

You think there's a 'right' one, c_v?!
They're both hopeless; the result will be much the same whichever one wins. I agree that Rishi has a 'semblance of economic credibility' right up to the point where someone asks: 'whose hand was on the economic tiller that got us into this mess?' He increased the M1 money supply by a third in two years and yet, according to him, that hasn't contributed to inflation. I'm afraid I don't trust either of 'em further than . . .
Tim.

Historically, he's not been blessed by circumstances. A lot of the moves he made were forced upon him.
I suspect he is much better than the track record suggests. Agreed, it's not much of a choice, but still better than Truss or Labour.

We are where we are and there's 2 years for either of them to get results. It's a low bar mind....we only have to perform better than Europe.

 

[Atilla]

I can't believe Tories taking credit for Brexit and Covid.

Two freaking big feckups imo.

Rishi spent 400bn on supporting people sitting at home to combat Covid which was NOT a pandemic.

Brexit has knocked 4% off GDP and everyone is hailing it a success. What's that all about then.

The BS of lies continues.

 

[tomorton]

Tories have been getting rid of police, nurses and libraries and many more social services.

Let's have more bigger tax cuts and let the Tories get elected. Coz they really know how to manage the economy and services.

LOL

I would love to see massive constraints put on NHS spending, but also pensions and welfare. Obviously the taxation system needs a drastic overhaul with regards Business Rates and the complexities and inequalities in the personal taxation lines.

And its essential we get corporation tax lower than our competitors and keep it there. Its deceitful for political parties to say they would not increase the tax on workers but they would levy extra taxation from employers - one way or another, its people who pay the price.

The next big spending target would be the higher education realm. It seems a little odd to say the least that the Asda van driver on low wages is paying tax towards the higher education of lawyers.

But all this is too radical even if we weren't on the brink of a recession.

 

[tomorton]

I can't believe Tories taking credit for Brexit and Covid.

Two freaking big feckups imo.

Rishi spent 400bn on supporting people sitting at home to combat Covid which was NOT a pandemic.

Brexit has knocked 4% of GDP and everyone is hailing it a success. What's that all about then.

The BS of lies continues.

Too soon for a Brexit dividend. In any case, Brexit was not primarily about economics, which are ambiguous even in the long-term.

Both Labour and Conservatives had sizeable minorities dead against EU membership. But neither really wanted to move on it, probably because of the economic hit that would result short-term. They were right.

 

[alan5616]

I would love to see massive constraints put on NHS spending, but also pensions and welfare. Obviously the taxation system needs a drastic overhaul with regards Business Rates and the complexities and inequalities in the personal taxation lines.

And its essential we get corporation tax lower than our competitors and keep it there. Its deceitful for political parties to say they would not increase the tax on workers but they would levy extra taxation from employers - one way or another, its people who pay the price.

The next big spending target would be the higher education realm. It seems a little odd to say the least that the Asda van driver on low wages is paying tax towards the higher education of lawyers.

But all this is too radical even if we weren't on the brink of a recession.

My solution is very simple. Slap a wealth tax on those earning in excess of £1m per annum and those with net assets of £50m. Somewhere between 5-10% could be considered to help fund the NHS and social services. Stop the publication, in the UK, of British newspapers who have their registered office overseas in order to avoid tax.

 

[tomorton]

My solution is very simple. Slap a wealth tax on those earning in excess of £1m per annum and those with net assets of £50m. Somewhere between 5-10% could be considered to help fund the NHS and social services. Stop the publication, in the UK, of British newspapers who have their registered office overseas in order to avoid tax.

Taxing the wealthy by an inordinate amount has been tried and failed across history, here and elsewhere. Economists generally advise against it but politicians find it is a cheap vote-winner, but it does nothing to help the public purse.

But maybe you have found research showing the majority of economists are now in favour?

A great way to stop employers registering their head offices overseas would be for the UK to have very low corporate taxation, which is what I was suggesting. The UK already benefits from a legal system that is positive towards the establishment of new enterprises but this could always be improved.

 

[Atilla]

For the NHS which is a bottomless pit, I feel we need accountability and a mixed private and public two tier system.

Everybody should have a certain token allocation of credits for their lifetime.

If they use it up by being hit by health issues of whatever nature, then they pay.

People are obese, eat drink and smoke and then get benefits for being ill. That's pretty daft.

We need personal accountability and responsibility.

As for those who fall ill for no particular reason but life chances or their DNA - tough titty. They should take out private insurance.


These policies will make the UK the healthiest fittest nation in the world I reckon.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

Taxing the wealthy by an inordinate amount has been tried and failed across history, here and elsewhere. Economists generally advise against it but politicians find it is a cheap vote-winner, but it does nothing to help the public purse.

But maybe you have found research showing the majority of economists are now in favour?

How do you explain Norway, Sweden and Denmark?

 

[tomorton]

For the NHS which is a bottomless pit, I feel we need accountability and a mixed private and public two tier system.

Everybody should have a certain token allocation of credits for their lifetime.

If they use it up by being hit by health issues of whatever nature, then they pay.

People are obese, eat drink and smoke and then get benefits for being ill. That's pretty daft.

We need personal accountability and responsibility.

As for those who fall ill for no particular reason but life chances or their DNA - tough titty. They should take out private insurance.


These policies will make the UK the healthiest fittest nation in the world I reckon.

I agree on the need for radical re-thinking on the NHS. In fact radical re-thinking on all universal benefits. I have no idea why my taxes should go towards helping my bank manager get cheaper medicines from Boots.

The abolition of universal benefits is a core belief for conservatives: that's because they believe these things should mostly be paid for by themselves if they themselves could afford it. The provision of universal benefits is a core belief socialists: that's because they believe they all should be paid for by somebody else, even if they themselves could afford it.

The inevitable conclusion of the leftist view is that the state should have the right to decide on our personal lives and habits.

 

[tomorton]

How do you explain Norway, Sweden and Denmark?

My question stands on its own merits. My belief is that the majority of economists do not recommend that a country's economy can be improved by imposing severe taxation on the highest earners and owners of the greatest assets.

No doubt economists can explain the situation in Scandinavia better than I can. And - if they can answer my question I am sure their answer will answer yours too. The two questions are the same but from opposite points of view. So it would be good for both of us if alan5616 could back up what he suggests.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

Agreed.
Tax the rich! = populism
Low taxes! = populism
BTW high tax coutries are better on average, high welfare countries are taken as a model.
Do scandinavians feel the state is deciding for their habits? I dont' think so.
Health and education should be a right not a privilege.