J Livermore
Active member
CV,
I don’t know about Sweden and Denmark but Norway is a very big oil exporter. If it weren’t for their oil exports, they wouldn’t be able to afford their social systems. Their own politicians admitted as much years ago.
I don’t know about Sweden and Denmark but Norway is a very big oil exporter. If it weren’t for their oil exports, they wouldn’t be able to afford their social systems. Their own politicians admitted as much years ago.
CavaliereVerde
Senior member
Oil plays a big part in Norway's wealth but it is not just oil otherwise we could not explain Sweden and Denmark.
My point is that there is no easy recipe like raising taxes or lowering taxes to improve economy.
European socialdemocracy is what works the best but you need smart politicians.
Has Denmark much lower birth rate than UK?
Just checked: 1.65 for UK and 1.70 for Denmark.
Heard a snippet of a programme on Radio 4 yesterday on the cost of living crisis.
A lady phoned in who's a full-time NHS nurse working at a GP surgery. She is a single mother and finds herself becoming burned out and exhausted by her job. She can't afford to reduce her hours, the biological father is not paying maintenance and her bills are rising. At this point, she must surely have everyone's sympathy, what an awful situation to be in.
Her proposed solution is to move into an NHS management role. It won't mean much difference in pay but at least she will not be exhausted by her front-line hands-on job role.
A perfect illustration of why British management, especially in the public sector, is so mediocre.
A lady phoned in who's a full-time NHS nurse working at a GP surgery. She is a single mother and finds herself becoming burned out and exhausted by her job. She can't afford to reduce her hours, the biological father is not paying maintenance and her bills are rising. At this point, she must surely have everyone's sympathy, what an awful situation to be in.
Her proposed solution is to move into an NHS management role. It won't mean much difference in pay but at least she will not be exhausted by her front-line hands-on job role.
A perfect illustration of why British management, especially in the public sector, is so mediocre.
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J Livermore
Active member
There is no one best way to live life. Comparing which nations and their individual local governments (such as counties, provinces, ect) is not a Mr. Universe contest where bodybuilders show off their economic muscles.
The more choices of political systems that families can choose from, the happier they will be. Whether they are choosing from a plethora of local governments within the same nation or they decide to move internationally, diversity in government is a necessity for change. Innovation would be crushed if all governments adopted similar systems and ways of life.
As a current illustration of the principle in my last point (highlighted), see recent proposed legislation in New Zealand.
New Zealand to ban cigarettes for future generations
No New Zealander born after 2008 will be able to buy tobacco under proposed new health laws.
www.bbc.co.uk
In that country, run by socialists of course, its proposed that anyone now aged 14 will not ever be able to purchase cigarettes in New Zealand. Its not just that they won't be able to purchase them until they are an adult, they will never be able to purchase them. This will be a life ban.
So, the New Zealanders are in exactly the situation I described - its the state which defines what choices people have, because its the state which pays for the impact of those choices.
No doubt leftists in the UK are watching with interest.
alan5616
Established member
I'd happily swap the government of NZ for ours. Over there, they put the welfare and security of their citizens before corporate greed.As a current illustration of the principle in my last point (highlighted), see recent proposed legislation in New Zealand.
New Zealand to ban cigarettes for future generations
No New Zealander born after 2008 will be able to buy tobacco under proposed new health laws.www.bbc.co.uk
In that country, run by socialists of course, its proposed that anyone now aged 14 will not ever be able to purchase cigarettes in New Zealand. Its not just that they won't be able to purchase them until they are an adult, they will never be able to purchase them. This will be a life ban.
So, the New Zealanders are in exactly the situation I described - its the state which defines what choices people have, because its the state which pays for the impact of those choices.
No doubt leftists in the UK are watching with interest.
counter_violent
Legendary member
It won't be long before that type of Govt, "we know better than you" introduces involuntary euthanasia. Then we will see what you think about it.
Atilla
Legendary member
Whilst we are on the topic of Euthanasia...
G8 Idea this
Sarco pod - Wikipedia
Get it posted to your house and then have it collected to be taken away and disposed of.
Bit like a skip really to clear out rubbish.
I love it.
counter_violent
Legendary member
It would certainly be quick. One breath of 100% Nitrogen atmosphere is all it takes. Triggering the bodies shutdown system. Once activated, there's no going back.Whilst we are on the topic of Euthanasia...
G8 Idea this
Sarco pod - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Get it posted to your house and then have it collected to be taken away and disposed of.
Bit like a skip really to clear out rubbish.
I love it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
Atilla
Legendary member
Sounds great.
I was thinking lot's of booze and paracetamol near the end but Nitrogen does sound very swift, easy peazy.
counter_violent
Legendary member
Sounds great.
I was thinking lot's of booze and paracetamol near the end but Nitrogen does sound very swift, easy peazy.
I've worked with it for 40 yrs in quantities like you wouldn't believe.
Atilla
Legendary member
alan5616
Established member
You've been reading too much dystopian fiction c_v
"corporate greed"?
A strange phrase for a trader to use on a website for traders. You surely must understand that nothing happens until somebody buys something? That government has no money of its own since it isn't a profit-making enterprise - the only money government has comes from taxes. And those taxes have to be paid by corporations or their employees.
As to the NZ government prioritising citizens over corporations, as far as I can make out the only governments that don't do that are North Korea, Russia, China and the like. Hard not to remark that these are all based on socialism. Like almost all those that came before them who openly placed the welfare of their citizens at a low priority.
Atilla
Legendary member
So why the big Covid lockdown and isolations and police powers to fine people doing what they want? All in the name to protect us citizens. There there is the £400 bn giveaway. Rishi thinks we should be thankful for his generosity.
Freaking politicians messed up big time. Giving £bns in contracts to friends and families whilst getting secretaries into jobs and beds.
Governments indeed.
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Lockdowns were advised by the government's health experts. They would have been classed as either eccentric, daring, arrogant or money-wasters if they had ignored the advice of the expensive experts they have appointed for just this eventuality. In politics its probably safer to be wrong along with everyone else who is also wrong, rather than risk being wrong on your own.So why the big Covid lockdown and isolations and police powers to fine people doing what they want? All in the name to protect us citizens. There there is the £400 bn giveaway. Rishi thinks we should be thankful for his generosity.
Freaking politicians messed up big time. Giving £bns in contracts to friends and families whilst getting secretaries into jobs and beds.
Governments indeed.
As far as political corruption is concerned, this is a common behaviour across the political spectrum. Its easy to criticise politicians for being politicians but its a lot harder to develop a better system. Do you have a better system in mind?
alan5616
Established member
It's not a strange phrase to use. When I trade, I'm taking the risk and doing the work. I'm not employing thousands of people, on near starvation wages, as many large corporations do. I abhor unfettered capitalism which is pushing the planet to the edge of destruction.
Nobody in the UK is employed on starvation wages (even people here who are not employed are not starving). Capitalism in the UK is not unfettered. The planet is not on the edge of destruction. Capitalism has built the UK into what it is. How do you think the NHS, for example, is paid for?
counter_violent
Legendary member
So why the big Covid lockdown and isolations and police powers to fine people doing what they want? All in the name to protect us citizens. There there is the £400 bn giveaway. Rishi thinks we should be thankful for his generosity.
Freaking politicians messed up big time. Giving £bns in contracts to friends and families whilst getting secretaries into jobs and beds.
Governments indeed.
Cos all of a sudden, Govt's the world over were following quack science based on worst case scenario because they all knew that Covid19 was a gain of function Lab Leaked Virus and none of them knew if it was going to be the next black death.
Obvious innit.
Govt's are NOT in the business of giving money away to the plebs, without good reason.
alan5616
Established member
Many people will have to make a choice between heating or eating next winter, while energy companies are making more money than they know what to with. If you think that we're not heading towards more environmental disasters, then you haven't been paying attention.