Obama and the Future

bbmac

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Amongst the soaring rhetoric of the recent U.s election came one memorable phrase from an email sent by a viewer to the ITV Local news programme here in London, Uk. It said;

'..Rosa parks sat, for Martin Luther-King to walk, for Obama to run, and now the rest of us can fly...'

inspiring stuff.

The ITN coverage of election night was patchy at best but picked up as the nigh progressed (lightweight guests/over-excitable anchor [alistair stewart]) The best moments on the BBc covergage with Dimbleby were the interview with the thoroughly irrascible Gore Vidal and the ubiquitously grumpy neo-con John Bolton, who accused the BBc (again) of biaised coverage toward Obama. (!)

The best point of the night in Uk coverage however came from John irvine (N.American correspondent-ITN) who commented that Obama's victory and scale was an emphatic repudiation of the Bush/Cheney era.

So what next, well you read it here first (lol)...This new president understands the limit of military force, you can defeat an army, but not a people and particularly if a defacto guerilla war suceeds a military victory (How silly Bush's 'mission accomplished' looks then and now.) Like the Iraqi's want, he will withdraw orderly from iraq and some kind of negotiation/accomodation with the Taliban via the Tribal leaders sympathetic to them will take place in Afghanistan backed up by more troops there to leverage the negotiation.

Russia will be engaged diplomatically, as will pakistan re the growing fundamentalism finding and consolidating it's base on the afghan/pakistan border. Israel/palestine will reach a solution in the next 8years, (palestine are not going to walk away from 98.5% of what they want, if offered for a 3rd time surely?) Iran ...well I have no idea, this is a real variable.

Expectations are high, and some are bound to be dashed. Hope it seems, has trumped the hyperbole of fear driven and used to excuse the Bush/Cheney policies. Global Goodwill extends beyond that afforded to any new U.s president since Kennedy. The world senses that we may see a change for the better.....we will see.
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As for the Bush legacy, Paxman (BBc2 Newsnight) commented to a talking head last night that he began as president as a so-called small govt social conservative and leaves with a big govt as a conservative socialist (lol)...He has doubled the size of the national debt in 8years, turned budget suprpluses to huge defecits, over-seeing a near meltdown in the financial economy underpinning the real economy and has actually increased not diminished the the threat of terrorism, and hugley damaged the standing of the U.s around the world. -Or- you could say, Iraq is neutered and a despotic dictator is gone, similarly in Afghanistan a terrible regime was ousted, Lebanon is similarly neutered and Libya fell into the line and N.Korea situation is looking better Whatever viewpoint the one true achivement of bush's time weas his commitment and support to assis in erradicating/conrolling the the aids epedemic in Africa, and for this he should be applauded.
 
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Pat494

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It will be interesting to see if Obama can resist getting dragged into the Congo disaster.
Hopefully he wont want to spread alien ideology ( western consumerism , democracy etc. ) to another 3rd world country, like that idiot Bush; but I wouldn't bet on it.
 

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India has hailed the election of Barack Obama as the next U.S. president on as inspiration. Personally also I hope India and US can further foster their relationship with his elction.I guess tho India has got a problem with the Obama thesis in the simplistic trade-off it sets up between Kashmir and Afghanistan.
 

BSD

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Expectations are high, and some are bound to be dashed. Hope it seems, has trumped the hyperbole of fear driven and used to excuse the Bush/Cheney policies. Global Goodwill extends beyond that afforded to any new U.s president since Kennedy. The world senses that we may see a change for the better.....we will see.
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That is so true, alas sky high expectations are also the greatest danger, the huge unsolved problems he inherits from lost wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over to the towering debt alongside with an enormous financial crisis will really need expectations and timeframes for solutions to impact to be aligned with those harsh realities, I am extremely hopeful as well, but don't expect any short term miracles.
 

Pat494

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Looks like we will all be hearing and seeing a lot from Barack Obama so why not save some finger tapping on the computer keys and re-christen him Bob ?
 
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Obama will deliver about as much CHANGE as a poundland assistant accepting a £1 coin as payment for a tub of vaseline.
 
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JTrader

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We may need the vaseline if we're going to be shafted again! :-0

EXACTLY!

HE MAY DELIVER NEGATIVE FREEDOM & LIBERTY ERODING CHANGE, BUT OBAMA WILL CERTAINLY NOT DELIVER POSITVE FREEDOM & LIBERTY ENHANCING CHANGE.
 
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BSD

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Err, lets be a bit more optimistic guys what ;-)

I mean we create our lives, so if we think we can, we can, if we think we can't, we can't.

Even if one doesn't believe that we create all aspects of our universes we still make lives easier for ourselves by believing in positive outcomes,and not saying from the outset, it's not gonna work yo.

;)

Give the guy a chance at least what.

Time will tell soon enough.

But everbody deserves a chance, no ?
 
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JTrader

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Err, lets be a bit more optimistic guys what ;-)

I mean we create our lives, so if we think we can, we can, if we think we can't, we can't.

Even if one doesn't believe that we create all aspects of our universes we still make lives easier for ourselves by believing in positive outcomes,and not saying from the outset, it's not gonna work yo.

;)

Give the guy a chance at least what.

Time will tell soon enough.

But everbody deserves a chance, no ?

I hope i am wrong, but -

I for one have not been fooled into believing that the 2 party system (both of which are bought and paid for by the military industrial financial complex) can offer a real choice.

Do you really think obama is some maverick normal guy out of the street who the US & worlds military industrial financial complex are just going to allow to be brought into power to do whatever he sees as fit, in the name of democracy.

The president is a puppet, the public face of the government. But the real power is hidden in the shadows - the shadow government - which are self serving banking cartels etc. etc.

Its a romantic notion that obama is some fresh, maverick, record breaking half balck man who is going to use his unique situation & perspective to make the world a better place, but sadly i dont think that is possible. Look at Kennedy......the guy wanted to get rid of the CIA as he thought it had too much power, then...........

And the Kennedys are/were one of -
The 13 Illuminati Satanic Bloodlines
 
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JTrader

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Mind you, i was led into belieiving that $200 a barrell oil was the bilderberg plan to destroy the middle classes. Looked on for a while when it hit $150, now its back at $58!
...Who knows, perhaps it will still reach $200 some time soon!
 

Pat494

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Poor bloke deserves a bit of sympathy I reckon.
He's just fought a bruising and costly campaign to have the worst job in the world !
If you have accepted millions to fight an election you can't just do as you wish. So that means paying off the " Jewish " lobby and all the other donors. Jack Kennedy was in hock to the Mafia ( to win the election ) and as stated above look what happened to him when he didn't see things their way !
 

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When you think of the articles that some European states have got for Heads of State, it makes me wonder how he can do much worse.

At least, he cannot be worse than Silvio Berlusconi who, if it was not for being rich, I would call a stupid idiot. Let me simply call him an arrogant upstart who, because he is a powerful businessman, thinks that he can say what he likes as a politician.

He can apologise as much as he likes but what he said will not be forgotten by Americans anymore than what Zapatero did at a military march past in Madrid. He refused to stand up for US troops and made a fool himself and Spanish-American relations have not been the same, since. -
 
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