Keeping Britain British -Identity Crisis.

[Crap Buddist]

Saw that documentary about the tide of immigrants into the UK. Apparently ,it suggested theres a growing wave of unease creeping throughout society and even a couple of generations of immigrant british settlers are even beginning to feel uncomfortable with the amount of inflow,even the immigrant British are worried?

I welcome the variety but sense British people feel like somethings heading in the wrong direction. The more immigrants the less Britain feels like its Britain and British. That sense of being British, its slipping away, being diluted ?

Does anyone else think there is a big problem brewing? I do get the sense that some are thinking this is enough ,its gone too far, taking the p*ss because i think the British people want all immigrants to be British, adopt the spirit, fairness?

Which leads me to, different races, cultures, is it normal to remain seperate? is it peverse to mix and dilute cultures< I mean its not as if religious differences are seen as beautiful difference of individuality.

If each individual accepted their neighbour as an individual then all well and good, but can they ,do they ? Not really ,that still seems the minority thinking, hence why I can see why some are fearful for cultural clashes if the influx continues.

Britain feels like its being invaded again, is that a fair statement ?

 

[0007]

Saw that documentary about the tide of immigrants into the UK. Apparently ,it suggested theres a growing wave of unease creeping throughout society and even a couple of generations of immigrant british settlers are even beginning to feel uncomfortable with the amount of inflow,even the immigrant British are worried?

I welcome the variety but sense British people feel like somethings heading in the wrong direction. The more immigrants the less Britain feels like its Britain and British. That sense of being British, its slipping away, being diluted ?

Does anyone else think there is a big problem brewing? I do get the sense that some are thinking this is enough ,its gone too far, taking the p*ss because i think the British people want all immigrants to be British, adopt the spirit, fairness?

Which leads me to, different races, cultures, is it normal to remain seperate? is it peverse to mix and dilute cultures< I mean its not as if religious differences are seen as beautiful difference of individuality.

If each individual accepted their neighbour as an individual then all well and good, but can they ,do they ? Not really ,that still seems the minority thinking, hence why I can see why some are fearful for cultural clashes if the influx continues.

Britain feels like its being invaded again, is that a fair statement ?

Immigration is good for UK - we need the skills & people who are prepared to work. What we don't need are people not in those categories.

WRT to "Britishness" we are a mongrel race anyway. But in modern times we have made the mistake of going into Multi-culturalism which is the biggest load of Boll**ks since Socialism. Just like Socialism, it's fine in theory but no good in paractice (bit like the odd pontificator or two in the trading world!)

I have very good and decent friends in the Midlands Asian community and it always makes me laugh when they complain about "all this immigration" - but they do laugh with me also.

The danger of this topic is that the BNP and its ilk will come crawling out of the woodwork and capitalise on it by manipulation of the unwashed / uneducated / not too bright UK low-life. Goodness knows how close we came to it in the 1930s with the likes of Mosley etc. When you see what happens on the streets of UK today (get kicked to death for being decent) you realise what could happen if the immigration subject got out of hand. I suspect that's why the politicians went for it (multi-culturalism) - fear of trouble, but like most political schemes all it does is move the problem round a bit and then we can all see that decisive action has been taken!

Things are looking nasty in the UK and world economy and when money gets tight people start reacting in ways that they wouldn't normally. Watch this space....................

 

[FXSCALPER2]

Multicultiralism is bollox.

Having said that, people have always complained about 'outsiders'. They will moan, time passes and we forget about it. It is all narrow minded, ephemeral BS. Life is too short and I don't give a damn if you wear an orange burkha with a hole in the ar5e with an effigy of Bin Laden hanging out from it. I got people to see, work to do, children to play with, places to vist and a bloody dentist appointment. People are pathetic. 'Too much immigration, blah blah'. STF up already and do something while waiting to die. Pfft.

 

[grantx]

I don't mind who comes here as long as they are not a drain on resources, especially the NHS.

Grant.

 

[TheBramble]

Yes, the NHS are probably the biggest drain on resources. After defence. And after the government itself.

 

[trendie]

I don't mind who comes here as long as they are not a drain on resources, especially the NHS.

Grant.

Quite right too.
We have enough of our own home-grown drains on resources without more adding to the list.

Don't forget the malingerers claiming they're unable to work.
And the several hundred thousand jobs going undone even though there are healthy people on benefits.

:idea: We should have a chav culling season.

(welcome back TheBramble. hope all is well.)

 

[TheBramble]

:idea: We should have a chav culling season.

Wouldn't leave too many on t2w would it?

(welcome back TheBramble. hope all is well.)

Fine & Dandy thank you.

 

[grantx]

Don Bramble,

So what do you think of prison food?

Grant.

 

[nine]

The question for you British (is this the english british I'm talking to here) is do you still want there to be a British?

As you project your current pace into the future you see the result being an asian african east european anglo-celt mix up. Not the positive sort of racial and cultural purity you see in Bradford. Are the Germans coming too?

 

[fibonelli]

".................Another plus for this huge immigration is national identity erasure. People don’t enjoy being in ‘Britain’ anymore because of the current influx of immigration, high taxes, crime etc. So those people would be less interested in defending Britain from being murdered by the private bankers. Also conditions the people in regards of globalism as each year they find themselves less and less able to interact with British people (you know, with a British accent) etc.

Also contributes to social unrest as communities are destabilised, the government pushes it’s political correct agenda of undermining anyone it doesn’t approve of under the guise of ‘helping minorities’.

So people will eventually start saying ‘**** Britain’ - ‘Excellent’ the globalists will say! ‘They won’t complain when we merge them into the EU then will they?’

So whenever you want to rant and rave about ‘those bloody immigrants’, focus your attention on who is actually inviting them all in and why.............."

 

[0007]

The question for you British (is this the english british I'm talking to here) is do you still want there to be a British?

As you project your current pace into the future you see the result being an asian african east european anglo-celt mix up. Not the positive sort of racial and cultural purity you see in Bradford. Are the Germans coming too?

But what IS British ? It's constantly evolving - Wiki defines it as:

Britons,[28] are the native inhabitants of Great Britain[29][30] or citizens of the United Kingdom, of the Isle of Man, one of the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories. In a historical context, the word is used to refer to the ancient Britons, the indigenous inhabitants of Great Britain south of the Forth. Contemporary Britons are descended mainly from the varied ethnic stocks that settled there before the 11th century. The pre-Celtic, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, and Norse influences were blended in Britain under the Normans, Scandinavian Vikings who had lived in Northern France.[31]

The British people are today regarded by some as a nation,[32] and by others as a collection of nations - English, Scots and Welsh - who happen to share the island of Great Britain.[33] Historian David Starkey has argued recently that Britishness cannot be taught because "a British nation doesn't exist."[34] British people make up just over 2% of the planet's population.


Interesting article here We don't need to define Britishness - Telegraph

PS. Nine - are you sure of your heritage?

 

[Atilla]

I don't mind who comes here as long as they are not a drain on resources, especially the NHS.

Grant.

What percentage of people (doctors and nurses) who work in the NHS are British?

 

[grantx]

Mr Atilla,

"people...who work" are contributing, not draining.

Grant.

 

[Atilla]

Mr Atilla,

"people...who work" are contributing, not draining.

Grant.

My point is the drain on third world countries resources who don't have doctors and nurses because they are over here.

Just being devils advocate to stir things up a little.

It's good to shine a torch so we can see different aspects of life?

Problem is when you are looking at the colour of a person skin you can't read who is a drain and who is not.

Look at that Karen Matthews so called mother of 7 children from 5 different men...

Also, what about the fathers of those 7 children, anybody wonder how many children they may have fathered from other women?

I fail to see the difference between a foreign family with 7 children and one father.

What has a persons nationality or colour, living in the UK, got to do with it.

The title of this thread says it all. Keeping Britain British - Identity Crises! It's loaded with inferiority complex... :smart:

 

[Aston1st]

The immigration issue is a big one but the fact is that growth rates in Britain population are declining and somebody has to put money in the Pension Pot, especially for the baby boomer generation as they will become increasingly important for future governments.

Because their size will be generally larger than the younger generations.

When people talk about immigration it's usually a subtext for another word. People in Britain don't usually say Immigration and Australian,Kiwi or White South African in the same breath. They tend to think of African\Caribbean, Indian Sub-Continent, Orientals, ......................Polish\Eastern European at at push, in that "Ascending" order!.

One cannot complain about the lack of Britishness on account of immigrants, when our Governments have abolished wholesale the House of Lords, Corporal Punishment, Mass Survillance of the Population, almost total reliance on Computers to make decisions with any sort of discretion stripped out. Or Banning of Fox Hunting, Opening Shops on Sundays, Anti-Religion particulary Anti Christian sentiments, generated a disgust of the Working and Upper Classes. Politicans condone lying using Orwellian Newspeak "Misspoke" etc. Send our Armed forces off to fight wars of zero relevance to the defence of the Country and then sign up our sovereignty over to a Centralised unelectable totalitarian supranational organization called the European Union, without allowing their citizens to have a decision on the matter Finally to merge the Oligarchy of Democracy to an almost Monopoly of Political ideas of the 21/2 ruling parties and leave the voice of dissent entirely in the hands of the mass media, especially the press, and it's no wonder their is an Identity crisis in this "Country".

Britain lost it's Britishness once the Beer Drinking Torys gave way to the Champagne Socialists, that's when the National Pride and Honnour really took a tumble between 1979 -1999. To blame it on immigrants is missing the point. IMHO.

 

[grantx]

Atilla,

My point is the guy who comes over with his twelve pregnant wives and reaps the financial benefits and advantages of his situation because he can't get it in his own country.

Grant.

 

[grantx]

Aston,

No national pride under Labour, but where was it under the Conservatives? Tory vs Socialist? Even Putin gets the full market value (and more) for privatisations.

Grant.

 

[Aston1st]

That's it I am blaming both Parties.

 

[Atilla]

Atilla,

My point is the guy who comes over with his twelve pregnant wives and reaps the financial benefits and advantages of his situation because he can't get it in his own country.

Grant.

Are you referring to King of Saudi Arabia and his 22 wives with 44 children?

If so when they come over here they are hardly a tax on our resources.

You are talking like the Sun newspaper headlines for the low end of the market if you don't mind me saying so. There arn't many of those. :whistling

 

[Crap Buddist]

The title of this thread says it all. Keeping Britain British - Identity Crises! It's loaded with inferiority complex... :smart:

Yah maybe the title is skewed slightly, but I dont think its Identity as in losing touch with ourselves as a nation but more of Identification / relating to the growing pockets of cultural segregation within the UK.

I think the British are concerned with/ fearful that these growing pockets of immigrants are bringing their level of cultural behaviour to the UK and its sub UK standards. Thats what I detected or thats what the programe makers wanted to put across?

So any backlash that may come I can see as a last resort . The British Bulldog biting to defend / preserve its patch or something. Almost like a mother prepared to kill to protect her own but on a society level.

But yeah fearful on a level, and maybe thats normal ? different cultures, different ways of traditionally living and resolving issues that are often not the British way of doing or resolving things. I think its the lack social integration creating cultural segregation and its like oil and water.

Anyone seen the film Crash with Matt Dillon ? all the difficulties in the US of cultural harmonization. And if its continuing to happen, this trying to live and be tolerant with difference ,which goes much deeper than skin colours or accents , then maybe its not normal at an instinctive /pack preservation level in each race(or pack tribes) of humans ?

So its more a preservation complex. But hey if Britain wants to change ,lets vote on it.....