The end of the EU

counter_violent said:
Excellent...It will make the case for leaving so much easier to make.
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I reckon they'll make a good case why it is so much better staying in.

They'll accentuate the advantage and benefits of what they have now. (y)


Now is a good time to invest in Romania and Bulgaria imo. :cool:
 
I would support the EU if :-
a) It wasn't so corrupt
b) It was more competitive to USA etc.
c) It wasn't so dominated by the rich and the money wasting Socialists.
d) It finally shrugged off the guilt of Colonialism
 
I see Hollande is up to his nuts in other matters...no wonder he doesn't have time to sort France's little economic problems out.

These people are just a joke.
 
counter_violent said:
I see Hollande is up to his nuts in other matters...no wonder he doesn't have time to sort France's little economic problems out.

These people are just a joke.
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Ireland's sorted now and Greece seems to be coming out of the trough too.

Spain's still in trouble though. Apparently has the lowest birth rate 1.36 in Europe and country where life expectancy is the highest 86 I think it was.

Like the UK and Germany they too will need to import from the high breeding Balkan countries.

I still think European Union will live a lot longer than we will or do you still think the end is nigh (n)
 
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Atilla said:
Ireland's sorted now and Greece seems to be coming out of the trough too.

Spain's still in trouble though. Apparently has the lowest birth rate 1.36 in Europe and country where life expectancy is the highest 86 I think it was.

Like the UK and Germany they too will need to import from the high breeding Balkan countries.

I still think European Union will live a lot longer than we will or do you still think the end is nigh (n)
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I don't get why you think anything is sorted. If you mean, continually raising borrowing to finance the interest payable, then clearly, nothing is sorted.

The ONLY time we can call things sorted is when ALL debt has been repaid, not the point where countries stop borrowing more.
 
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counter_violent said:
I don't get why you think anything is sorted. If you mean, continually raising borrowing to finance the interest payable, then clearly, nothing is sorted.

The ONLY time we can call things sorted is when ALL debt has been repaid, not the point where countries stop borrowing more.
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All debt can never be repaid--only eliminated.

The US has, always, persued a policy of debt. By becoming the world's banker she has, never, had to worry abut the strength of the dollar. If the world needed more dollars, the solution was to print more. This policy has been copied by other countries, who thought that they were as strong and powerful. as the US.

Now, another power has emerged and I believe that the reign of the US dollar has ended, along with the other major Western currencies. They are, all, in danger of becoming "funny" money.

Pat is happy with Stirling. I'm happy with Euros. In the long run, it all boils down to how much one ends up with, not with the number of immigrants that there are in the country and, in any case, if the quality of life is better in one country, than another, surely, that is an internal matter?
 
counter_violent said:
I don't get why you think anything is sorted. If you mean, continually raising borrowing to finance the interest payable, then clearly, nothing is sorted.

The ONLY time we can call things sorted is when ALL debt has been repaid, not the point where countries stop borrowing more.
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Just googled which country has no debt and got some interesting hits...

In February 2009 Zimbabwe was the only country in the world without debt.:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Managing debt is a way of life. I was in debt for much of my life. I think the same applies for most us.


Somethings not right in the world???
 
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Well the point is that everyone is living on everyone else's money (including those who aren't even born yet and have no say)

 
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Atilla said:
Just googled which country has no debt and got some interesting hits...

In February 2009 Zimbabwe was the only country in the world without debt.:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Managing debt is a way of life. I was in debt for much of my life. I think the same applies for most us.


Somethings not right in the world???
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Zimbabwe as we all know printed banknotes of face values of billions. Even so probably not enough to buy a loaf of bread. But they did I suppose pay off their debts with worthless paper money. Let's hope the USA doesn't try and pull the same trick.
 
counter_violent said:
I see Hollande is up to his nuts in other matters...no wonder he doesn't have time to sort France's little economic problems out.

These people are just a joke.
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Seriously funny this...wot planet are those frenchies on !

This Hollande geezer holds the highest office in the land and yet demands his privacy. Does he not realise...the higher you climb up the greasy pole, the more you show your a55.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25706037
 
counter_violent said:
Seriously funny this...wot planet are those frenchies on !

This Hollande geezer holds the highest office in the land and yet demands his privacy. Does he not realise...the higher you climb up the greasy pole, the more you show your a55.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25706037
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The average voter believes the lies put forward by politicians and elects dubious characters sometimes, especially gullible in France it seems !!
 
Pat494 said:
The average voter believes the lies put forward by politicians and elects dubious characters sometimes, especially gullible in France it seems !!
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Can we not say the same about our politicians?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28076876


Will Nigel Farage be the end of the EU?

Is Cameron being led instead of leading the country?

Does the CBI count for anything and does their view really matter?

Where does the interest of the UK lie?

Lots of questions and political hot air with no substance. I like to think of the CBI as being key ingredient 'the substance'.

So where do we look for the answers? Yet another question! :rolleyes:
 
If the EU commissioners and their puppet Parliament etc had an ounce of common sense they would have made the EU a club worth joining. But instead it is vastly wasteful of resources ( who needs two parliaments + baggage etc.) ? They are so corrupt the auditors won't OK the books. And half the members expect to be carried.

Cameron has got this one point right !! It just goes to show what low calibre the rest are, that cannot agree. This shambolic club won't last long in it's present state.
 
Pat494 said:
If the EU commissioners and their puppet Parliament etc had an ounce of common sense they would have made the EU a club worth joining. But instead it is vastly wasteful of resources ( who needs two parliaments + baggage etc.) ? They are so corrupt the auditors won't OK the books. And half the members expect to be carried.

Cameron has got this one point right !! It just goes to show what low calibre the rest are, that cannot agree. This shambolic club won't last long in it's present state.
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:sleep:
 
The undisputable facts.

The voting public across Europe are generally moving towards de-centralisation.
The EU leaders are moving towards more centralisation.

Now, who do you think will win the argument?
 
Pat494 said:
If the EU commissioners and their puppet Parliament etc had an ounce of common sense they would have made the EU a club worth joining. But instead it is vastly wasteful of resources ( who needs two parliaments + baggage etc.) ? They are so corrupt the auditors won't OK the books. And half the members expect to be carried.

Cameron has got this one point right !! It just goes to show what low calibre the rest are, that cannot agree. This shambolic club won't last long in it's present state.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28076876 :?:

You view on Mr CBI :?:

Are they talking dribble?

I'm baffled by political speel but when businessmen speak I like to sit up and listen.

That's what I was getting at Pat. How does this tally up with Nigel/Cameron pair trying to out do them selves?
 
counter_violent said:
The undisputable facts.

The voting public across Europe are generally moving towards de-centralisation.
The EU leaders are moving towards more centralisation.

Now, who do you think will win the argument?
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Prejeduce over brains will always win the argument.

It's code of survival engrained into ones DNA!
 
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