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FMT for me today... 40-35-20
06:15 Long Trade (SLM) - SL Hit -40 pips
06:30 No Trade
06:45 Long Trade (SLM) - SL Hit -40 pips
For some reason the EA didn't move my stop to BE. I shut my computer down when I left for work but I have done this in the past and my SL was still moved. Don't know what happened but not a great end to the week I'm afraid.
Roll on Monday!! Have a good weekend all.
 
FMT for me today... 40-35-20
06:15 Long Trade (SLM) - SL Hit -40 pips
06:30 No Trade
06:45 Long Trade (SLM) - SL Hit -40 pips
For some reason the EA didn't move my stop to BE. I shut my computer down when I left for work but I have done this in the past and my SL was still moved. Don't know what happened but not a great end to the week I'm afraid.
Roll on Monday!! Have a good weekend all.

Very sorry that you took the losses. It is impossible for the EA to work the stop adjustments if your platform is shut down. I leave my machine on 24/5, and in my timezone, it trades while I sleep and it works like a charm. Hope you regain the losses next week.
 
Going back to this earlier point, is there anyone in here UK based who's using a purely spread betting forex broker? Gotta be honest and say I didnt actually realise spot forex was taxable (at a rate of 25-40% ouch ) but spread betting isnt taxable at all :clap:

I have heard from someone, but don't know how reliable the source, that betting is taxable where the profits are high eg £300,000. So seeing that's about 3 months' winnings in FMT at the present rate we still can't escape the net!
 
PS: In your previous situation(s), the stop adjustment(s) had probably already been made when you shut down.
 
I have heard from someone, but don't know how reliable the source, that betting is taxable where the profits are high eg £300,000. So seeing that's about 3 months' winnings in FMT at the present rate we still can't escape the net!

you could be right, check this out http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/BIM22020.htm

" Whether or not a particular spread bet is taxable will depend on the terms of the contract and the economic substance of what is done." whatever the hell that means!

interesting article here http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Tax-free.html that suggests if its your main source of income (and you're not paying any other income tax) then profits from spread betting could be taxable.

sorry to anyone annoyed about this being badly off topic, 979 pages is long enough as it is.

and £300k ? show off ;)
 
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I have heard from someone, but don't know how reliable the source, that betting is taxable where the profits are high eg £300,000. So seeing that's about 3 months' winnings in FMT at the present rate we still can't escape the net!

Lol certainly sounds good to me :cheesy:
 
you could be right, check this out http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/BIM22020.htm

" Whether or not a particular spread bet is taxable will depend on the terms of the contract and the economic substance of what is done." whatever the hell that means!

interesting article here http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Tax-free.html that suggests if its your main source of income (and you're not paying any other income tax) then profits from spread betting could be taxable.

sorry to anyone annoyed about this being badly off topic, 979 pages is long enough as it is.

and £300k ? show off ;)


This is very much a UK discussion, and the thing about taxes is it is often down to the local HM Inspector of Taxes, and their attitude might vary. The logic as I see it is if betting was taxable then people would seek to offset their betting losses against other tax on other profitable activities and that would start to get rather interesting. In the UK we either pay capital gains tax or income tax. The thing about capital gains tax, you get an annual allowance circa £10,000 separate from the personal allowance which exists against income tax. Any capital gains in excess of the annual allowance are generally taxable at 18pc which is cheaper than income tax, but if you are a higher rate income tax payer then it becomes 28pc. Still cheaper than 40 and 50 pc income tax. However if the tax man decides that you trade CFDs etc for a living then he would argue that you had to pay income tax not capital gains tax on the profits you make from those activities. And day trading currencies with instant margins is obviously a lot different from holding an investment portfolio for weeks months or years before making a profit.

I expect there's nothing so certain in life as death and taxes! But maybe we soon need an FMT tax adviser???????
 
OK so on further investigation (i.e all bloody morning!) there is only ONE spread betting firm in the UK that offers MT4 and they are smart live markets..

anyone using them to run FMT ?

Yes I am jimpees - no complaints so far
 
Correct, but watch the IG quotes, they well not be aligned.

I used to use IG &CMC but now trade 100% on Alpari.

But yes, gains on Alpari should be declared and tax paid.

Of course, you could fund it from an offshore account, but that is way off topic.

OK so on further investigation (i.e all bloody morning!) there is only ONE spread betting firm in the UK that offers MT4 and they are smart live markets..

anyone using them to run FMT ?

If I'd been around today I could have saved you the time:whistling I looked in to these some time ago and found only SLM on MT4 in the UK. I've had a demo platform running with them since mid-Feb along with a demo ThinkForex - both have given me the same signal every day and inline with other brokers signals indicated on the forum - I'm about to set up a live account, I think you get £300 cover on any losses as an incentive. :)
 
If I'd been around today I could have saved you the time:whistling I looked in to these some time ago and found only SLM on MT4 in the UK. I've had a demo platform running with them since mid-Feb along with a demo ThinkForex - both have given me the same signal every day and inline with other brokers signals indicated on the forum - I'm about to set up a live account, I think you get £300 cover on any losses as an incentive. :)

I have both FMT and TMT running on both an Alpari UK live and an SLM live spreadbet account.
Alpari about 1 month after demo, SLM just over a week after demo.
I can't yet make definitive conclusions, but can say:
- All working properly & reliably
- Almost no difference between prices - 5th decimal variation at most, Alpari slightly better than SLM
- Occasionally signals differ (e.g. get an NT on one EA on one account, with a trade on its equivalent on the other). BUT I haven't figured out for sure when it has happened, why, yet.
- Took me a while to get to grips with lots on SLM (because it isn't Lots being traded on SLM).
- I haven't mastered Money Management on SLM yet (same reasons as above)
I look forward to debating the tax issues wrt spreadbetting with HMRC in due course. My thinking is there seems to be no downside to spreadbetting it rather than brokering it. Position is clear if brokered, it's income tax and AAAFx, for example, now require your tax reference number in order to open an account. If it doesn't get big enough to attract the attention of HMRC it will legitimately be not declarable/tax free. If it does a) I'll be a happy bunny not too averse to paying the tax, b) HMRC can make an assessment and there may be room to negotiate a settlement amount less. There is no room if brokered.
Best
Bruce
Best
Bruce
 
Don't worry about paying tax on spread betting at the moment. HMRC get plenty of tax from the profits SB company's make. After all, the majority of traders line the SB co's pockets. As most people lose, if it became taxable then losses could be offset against other tax liabilities. If most traders won then it would be a different story.
 
Anyone know if forex capital gains are taxable as income in Canada?

Hello Trader 578

As a fellow Canuck, I have investigated this before, but you would benefit from a visit with a good tax accountant, preferably one who knows about trading (the visit is a tax-deductible expense). I believe that all world income must still be reported by Canadians, and this is what I have learned:

Option 1. Report trading income as normal income. Advantage - any annual net loss reduces other incomes, and you can fill out an extra form to claim all legitimate business expenses, including equipment depreciation, training courses, books, office space, you name it. Disadvantage - net gains are taxed at a higher personal income tax rate, i.e. anywhere from 25% to almost 50% or perhaps more, depending on your tax bracket.

Option 2. Report income from trading as capital gains, such as you would do for stocks, futures, etc. Taxed on half the gains, as you know. (Losses on the year cannot reduce other income, but can be carried over to future years against any profits. I have not done this carry-over before, and this should be checked for the latest rules.)

Option 3. Form a Trading business under your Provincial regulations and register as a home business. This costs about $250 where I live in NB, and can be done online. You would be taxed at a much lower corporate rate applicable to your Province, and would need to keep the proper records, etc. But you would need to check on any effect on insurance changes on the home, local municipal requirements (including effect on property taxes, etc). Municipalities can be weird with stuff like this, but I have not followed through on this idea yet.

That's the sum of my knowledge, but a good tax specialist will give you a lot of confidence. Be careful, some of them are nothing more than tax return specialists and really know nothing about the trader's needs.

I hope this helps in a some way. Pls let us know if you learn anything new.

Al
 
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I have heard from someone, but don't know how reliable the source, that betting is taxable where the profits are high eg £300,000. So seeing that's about 3 months' winnings in FMT at the present rate we still can't escape the net!

If you live in the United States and if you have an Individual Retirement Account (IRA) and you don't need the income and want it to compound tax deferred until you draw the money out, get a custodian for your IRA that will open up a trading account in the name of your IRA and let you trade it. I am doing that for one of my accounts. This way I have a live taxable account for income and a retirement account that I can contribute to each year along with the compounding I am gaining on the account from the FMT strategy. It is great!(y)
 
Results of the last 100 trades, which for me have occured since exactly 6 months ago:

FMT settings, 35tp 40sl with break even + 525. Without B/E it would have been 650
Old FMT settings 40/40 +800 WITH B/E +640
10/40 +650

Hi Wiseambitions
Still interested in the 10/40 scenario
Do you have data on how many consecutive losses...and the number of times it ocurred during the 6 month period
 
If you live in the United States and if you have an Individual Retirement Account (IRA) and you don't need the income and want it to compound tax deferred until you draw the money out, get a custodian for your IRA that will open up a trading account in the name of your IRA and let you trade it. I am doing that for one of my accounts. This way I have a live taxable account for income and a retirement account that I can contribute to each year along with the compounding I am gaining on the account from the FMT strategy. It is great!(y)
How do you report your income from a live taxable account, please? I am at a loss as to how to report profits from forex trading though not much. The tax filing deadline is fast appraoching, by the way.
 
Used standard FMT settings with Hammy66 timings on live Alpari UK account result yesterday:
07:15 trade BE
07:30 trade NONE
07:45 trade BE

Used Catfish settings (see #7525) with Hammy66 timings on a demo Alpari UK account result today:
07:15 trade LOSS
07:30 trade NONE
07:45 trade LOSS

All times Alpari UK
 
Is anyone using the manual FMT method for multiple pairs or is only EU & GU?

Can anyone link to the best threads in this 900+ post for settings/testing etc?

Thanks
 
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