#### joffie

##### Newbie
you can do it this way. For example you can move your Stop Loss to entry price if you are 20 pips in profit. Then if it reverses you'll lose nothing.

But I don't trade it like this, I let the trade be until it hits either profit or stop loss.
I haven't tested this additional rule, so I don't know if by adding it would make it more profitable or not.
I'll try to test it with an EA and if I'll find something interesting I'll send an update to all customers.

Hi , If you could test this out with your EA as well, as I back tested this theory over 83 trading days manualy.

Take this week, Monday a buy occured, once at 20 pips profit move stop to 20 pip sl, trade took 40 pips profit.
Tuesday a sell occured, once at 20 pips move stop to 20 pip sl, trade took 40 pip profit.
Wednesday a sell occured, once at 20 pips profit move stop to 20 pip sl, trade then took out at a 20 pip loss, but would have hit 40 pips.
Thursday a buy occured, once at 20 pips prfoit moved stop to 20 pip sl, trade came back and took out a 20 pip loss but would have hit a 40 pip loss.
Today, trade triggered a sell, once got to 20 pips profit moved stop to 20 pip sl, we got within a few pips of taking profit, and price turns back up. Right now at 10pips profit. So even if we get stopped out at -20pips today am still up by 20 pips instead of a loss.

Over the 83 trades I back tested manually, I found these results, 42 winning trades and 12 losing trades, if used the move sl to 20 pips once at 20 pips profit rule, 1 trade out of the 42 winning trades hit a 20 pip sl, and 9 trades also hit the 20 sl with other 3 still hitting the 40 pip sl.

Result was 41 winning =1640 pips profit
1 winning trade turned into a losing of -20 pips, so = -60 pip loss
3 still stopped out at 40 pips = -120 pip loss
9 only hit a 20 pip sl = -180 pip loss

Total = 1280 pips profit instead of 1200 pips profit. I know it's only 80 pips more, but I wonder how much that would be over a year term? But I am unable and don't know how to test!

cheers joffie

ps great system!

#### markfric

##### Member
Hello all,

I'm currently testing various variations of trailing stops and also some filtering rules that came as ideas from people who started using the system. I'll let you all know when I'll finish the tests.

Today is a crazy day, I had short signal, entered at 1.5524. The price got only 1 pip from my profit target and returned back. Pure bad luck.

I don't usually monitor my position and change SL, but today I tightened my SL just above the last swing high, to 1.5546, so I'll lose 22 pips maximum.

You can consider to tighten the SL too.

As for the holidays - I trade every day. I run the system as EA and normally I don't watch it at all for days.
It is possible that avoiding the holidays could improve the results, but I didn't tested it.

Mark

#### mitchp

##### Junior member
Mark,

Another night of the EA not taking a trade. Even thought it hasn't hit 40 pips I'd still be in positive pips. I can't figure out why it won't take the trade. I'm pretty sure I have everything set correcly - Tools/Option/EA has everything checked off correctly, I checked the properties in the EA and they have everything checked as in Tools. My broker is at GMT so the EA is set to start trading at 5:30 and I have the ever popular Smiley Face staring at me (taunting me!). I only thing I can think of is if you have some type of moneymanagement built in. I'm trying live on a small micro account ( I don't like to trade demo - not realistic. I have about \$100 in the account and I have the EA set at
.1 lots. Or maybe its the magic number, I didn't change it from the default 12345. Anything you can think of?

Mitch

#### markfric

##### Member
27th August - SHORT
Entry: 1.5524
PT: 1.5484
P/L: +40 pips

Weekly summary
3 profits, 2 losses, the week ended with +40 pips profit.

#### markfric

##### Member
Mark,

Another night of the EA not taking a trade. Even thought it hasn't hit 40 pips I'd still be in positive pips. I can't figure out why it won't take the trade. I'm pretty sure I have everything set correcly - Tools/Option/EA has everything checked off correctly, I checked the properties in the EA and they have everything checked as in Tools. My broker is at GMT so the EA is set to start trading at 5:30 and I have the ever popular Smiley Face staring at me (taunting me!). I only thing I can think of is if you have some type of moneymanagement built in. I'm trying live on a small micro account ( I don't like to trade demo - not realistic. I have about \$100 in the account and I have the EA set at
.1 lots. Or maybe its the magic number, I didn't change it from the default 12345. Anything you can think of?

Mitch

I really don't see reason why your EA doesn't trade, everything seems to be right with your settings. But you can check the log in the terminal. Logs are stored also in MT4/experts/logs directory, send me your log to support mail and I'll have a look

#### Maxmerlin

##### Junior member
Y'know FMT, after d price turned around missing TP by 1 pip, i closed d trade at BE. Now looking at results of +40pips, d trade took about 8 HOURS TO BEAR FRUIT. Talk about STRESS / PATIENCE. Initially when price started to go to TP level, i tot i could recover my loss yesterday, but when it retraced sharply, i took it out at BE. Should i set TP to be lesser?

#### mitchp

##### Junior member
Does anyone know how I get a copy of my EA tab or Journal Tab for the whole day. I can only read the last hour and can't figure out how to print anything.

#### aagarcia

##### Junior member
I'm sorry, but this system does not look very impressive.

#### Paris Hilton

##### Junior member
I'm sorry, but this system does not look very impressive.

The system earns 100-150 pips per month on average. That's plenty of profit to make a nice living in forex with correct money management. Paris

#### bluedancer

##### Well-known member
I'm sorry, but this system does not look very impressive.

aagarcia, after trading forex for nearly 7 years and trying nearly every system out there, I can assure you this system will work. If Mark touches it up with a tested trailing stop or stop adjustment that would be great. The beautiful thing about the GBP/USD is that it breaks out just before London open, and I have been trading it for 7 years. It has a variety of breakout patterns. If you don't trust what Mark has put together, do a bit of research on GBP/USD breakout trade systems. Most will only give you 15-20 pips and the ones that offer 30 pips don't trade very often. There will be plenty of trades to make this work. There are not too many systems that allow you to trade at the very same time every day! Try Elliott wave, then you will be happy to have something simple
bluedancer

#### JahDave

##### Experienced member
aagarcia, after trading forex for nearly 7 years and trying nearly every system out there, I can assure you this system will work. If Mark touches it up with a tested trailing stop or stop adjustment that would be great. The beautiful thing about the GBP/USD is that it breaks out just before London open, and I have been trading it for 7 years. It has a variety of breakout patterns. If you don't trust what Mark has put together, do a bit of research on GBP/USD breakout trade systems. Most will only give you 15-20 pips and the ones that offer 30 pips don't trade very often. There will be plenty of trades to make this work. There are not too many systems that allow you to trade at the very same time every day! Try Elliott wave, then you will be happy to have something simple
bluedancer

I have worked hard for 3 years on Elliott Wave and Fibonacci because Elliott wave is based on Fibonacci. Although it is hard work: I have quadrupled my account in the last 3 months and quadrupled my account in the previous 3 months before that. So don't think that you can't be very successful if you will only work hard and trade your own system...............I get very tired of people telling me that I can't make it on my own when I am getting better results than they are getting and they are offering a paid system. Do the work for yourselves people and you can beat the results these people are charging you a lot of money for. Do the math. 90% of traders lose money........That means you have to be in the top ten percent to make money. I would venture to say that the top 10% THAT MAKE MONEY WORK THE HARDEST. I know that I work very hard and make money, but I only trade my own signals. And I don't sell anything.

#### glittle56

##### Newbie
Mark,

Another night of the EA not taking a trade. Even thought it hasn't hit 40 pips I'd still be in positive pips. I can't figure out why it won't take the trade. I'm pretty sure I have everything set correcly - Tools/Option/EA has everything checked off correctly, I checked the properties in the EA and they have everything checked as in Tools. My broker is at GMT so the EA is set to start trading at 5:30 and I have the ever popular Smiley Face staring at me (taunting me!). I only thing I can think of is if you have some type of moneymanagement built in. I'm trying live on a small micro account ( I don't like to trade demo - not realistic. I have about \$100 in the account and I have the EA set at
.1 lots. Or maybe its the magic number, I didn't change it from the default 12345. Anything you can think of?

Mitch

Hi Mitchp,

With an account size of \$100, you have your MM set at 0.1 This is a mini lot and = \$1/pip. A stop loss of 40 pips will lose \$40 That is a risk of 40% and your broker may not allow that trade because of the risk being too large.

First, check if your broker allows micro lots and if so, change MM to 0.01 or \$0.10c /pip

Regards,

Graeme

#### JahDave

##### Experienced member
Hi Mitchp,

With an account size of \$100, you have your MM set at 0.1 This is a mini lot and = \$1/pip. A stop loss of 40 pips will lose \$40 That is a risk of 40% and your broker may not allow that trade because of the risk being too large.

First, check if your broker allows micro lots and if so, change MM to 0.01 or \$0.10c /pip

Regards,

Graeme

Oanda will take any size trade,,,,,,,,, even less than a mini lot.

#### markfric

##### Member
Y'know FMT, after d price turned around missing TP by 1 pip, i closed d trade at BE. Now looking at results of +40pips, d trade took about 8 HOURS TO BEAR FRUIT. Talk about STRESS / PATIENCE. Initially when price started to go to TP level, i tot i could recover my loss yesterday, but when it retraced sharply, i took it out at BE. Should i set TP to be lesser?

Maxmerlin: this is exactly what could happen by trailing SL or moving SL to BE. Sometimes you don't lose that much, but sometimes you also don't win that much.
Getting 1 pip close to profit target is just a bad luck, I saw it many times. I woudln't change the profit and target levels just because of one trade.

I'm currently testing the system with various trailing stops and exits, I'll let you all know when I'll find something useful.

I'm sorry, but this system does not look very impressive.

160% in 19 months with conservative 2% risk of your account is very good result in my opinion. You cannot judge the system by one or two weeks, or one month only.
You can really make about 100-150 pips / month in average, which makes a really nice income.

#### John3344

##### Newbie
Mark,

You mention that 2% risk per trade is conservative. What would you consider a higher risk but still reasonable risk % for your method?

Thanks,

John

#### Paris Hilton

##### Junior member
Mark,

You mention that 2% risk per trade is conservative. What would you consider a higher risk but still reasonable risk % for your method?

Thanks,

John

I;m using 5% per trade. Paris

#### chihuahua

##### Newbie
I have worked hard for 3 years on Elliott Wave and Fibonacci because Elliott wave is based on Fibonacci. Although it is hard work: I have quadrupled my account in the last 3 months and quadrupled my account in the previous 3 months before that. So don't think that you can't be very successful if you will only work hard and trade your own system...............I get very tired of people telling me that I can't make it on my own when I am getting better results than they are getting and they are offering a paid system. Do the work for yourselves people and you can beat the results these people are charging you a lot of money for. Do the math. 90% of traders lose money........That means you have to be in the top ten percent to make money. I would venture to say that the top 10% THAT MAKE MONEY WORK THE HARDEST. I know that I work very hard and make money, but I only trade my own signals. And I don't sell anything.

The system earns 100-150 pips per month on average. That's plenty of profit to make a nice living in forex with correct money management. Paris
Good for you! But...

This is a nice solid system. Hard stops and take profits, fixed 2% risk/reward and drawdown, money management (compounding), and solid long term returns.

Discretion comes with experience, and your trading "personality", but I really like methods where I can place a trade and walk away... win or lose.

I do not agree that the only way to become one of the 10% of traders who turn a profit must "work hard" and develop their own system... YES, you must work hard and gain a solid education, BUT his logic is skewed, because in this case, you are indeed paying \$ to Mark for his "method", but, it is he who has already done the "hard work", and you are benefitting from his knowledge, experience and testing.

I am very happy that I have a passive method here that allows me to use the EA and concentrate on my longer time frame methods which do not require me to get up at 1:15 EST (summer) to prepare to trade the London session (which I have done for years).

I genererally do not us Ea's, but in this case, the rules are based on the exact same entry/t/sl rules as the manual method which has proven to be profitable over the long term.

The only change I would suggest (for convenience) would be to have an option for the EA to automatically enter lot size based on equity (2% etc.), as currently this needs to be adjusted manually after every trade as your account goes up/down, which is no big deal at all (and of course, is dependent on your account balance and type mini/micro etc.)

So, "work hard", learn all you can, by all means develop your own methods based on your ever increasing knowledge, but at the same time, do not feel guilty for benefitting from Mark's hard work, if indeed, you are benefitting from 3+ years or research and analysis of "ELLIOT WAVE" THEORY, than you are actually benefitting from ELLIOT'S hard work... and you have just "tweaked" it... we all use various chart patterns, indicators etc. that were most likely developed by someone else, this doen not mean we are lazy, or destined to become one of the "90%"...

chi

#### aagarcia

##### Junior member
I;m using 5% per trade. Paris

Hey, posting from jail? They let you do that?!

Anyways, I'm wondering on a 15k account at 5% risk -what's the MAX you can lose should you hit stop? Thanks!!!

#### John3344

##### Newbie
I;m using 5% per trade. Paris

Paris,

Have you backtested FMT prior to 2009?

John

#### Paris Hilton

##### Junior member
hey, posting from jail? They let you do that?!

anyways, i'm wondering on a 15k account at 5% risk -what's the max you can lose should you hit stop? Thanks!!!

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