Crime and punishment

Atilla

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Tell that to the Islamic Jihadists.
If a pschitso kills you because his hearing sounds inside his head and believes him self to be the instrument of God, do you say he is a pious follower of his faith or do you say he is mad man, a delusional sick man?

If religious leaders do not lend support but condemn the act why do you persist in calling it an act of Islam?

You say tell that to the Islamic Jihadists but by virtue of you saying such is feeding their very sick belief. They are sick and you are beiong pig headed feeding them the very fulfillment of their sick vile yearning stating, recognising they are followers of Islam. Do you not see this?

All terrorist are simply sick souls who have gone astray in life. There is no god and there is no hell or heaven. There is only life and death where one becomes food for worms, in the circle of life nourishing the soil.

No point in me talking to such bodies. I'd simply take their heads off before they take mine. :geek:
 
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tomorton

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If a pschitso kills you because his hearing sounds inside his head and believes him self to be the instrument of God, do you say he is a pious follower of his faith or do you say he is mad man, a delusional sick man?

If religious leaders do not lend support but condemn the act why do you persist in calling it an act of Islam?

You say tell that to the Islamic Jihadists but by virtue of you saying such is feeding their very sick belief. They are sick and you are beiong pig headed feeding them the very fulfillment of their sick vile yearning stating, recognising they are followers of Islam. Do you not see this?

All terrorist are simply sick souls who have gone astray in life. There is no god and there is no hell or heaven. There is only life and death where one becomes food for worms, in the circle of life nourishing the soil.

No point in me talking to such bodies. I'd simply take their heads off before they take mine. :geek:


Stepping beyond your own convictions on the matter, what is your authority for this point of view?
 

Signalcalc

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Well it is Christmas, high alert state for a Christian festival with ISIS still on the rampage, Xmas markets galore and diversity barriers in place, it's part and parcel of Christmas in the Western world. Cops & military will have been on high alert since mid-November with it ramping up as we get closer to the birthday of our lord jesus christ. All those bargain hunters and travellers need to keep an eye out, avoid Morocco, Strasbourg, Thames Estuary ships and black eye friday at all costs.
 

Signalcalc

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If a pschitso kills you because his hearing sounds inside his head and believes him self to be the instrument of God, do you say he is a pious follower of his faith or do you say he is mad man, a delusional sick man?

If religious leaders do not lend support but condemn the act why do you persist in calling it an act of Islam?

You say tell that to the Islamic Jihadists but by virtue of you saying such is feeding their very sick belief. They are sick and you are beiong pig headed feeding them the very fulfillment of their sick vile yearning stating, recognising they are followers of Islam. Do you not see this?

All terrorist are simply sick souls who have gone astray in life. There is no god and there is no hell or heaven. There is only life and death where one becomes food for worms, in the circle of life nourishing the soil.

No point in me talking to such bodies. I'd simply take their heads off before they take mine. :geek:

Hang on, let me search for the Christian terrorist incidents, Buddhist terrorist incidents, Jewish terrorist incidents and possibly atheist terrorist incidents that have occurred on British soil in the last 5 years.......now let me search for Islamic terrorist incidents for the same time period.

I hate to break the news to you Att, but you have lost the plot if you think there is no connection with the Islamic ideology and the mass deaths of innocent people on British soil in recent times,, you are using the lefty approach of mental illness to excuse the preachings of an ideology that commands, yes commands, its ardent followers to commit such atrocities. You are also doing people who suffer mental illnesses a great disservice. You would rather try and deflect from the primary reason and blame it on something else.

Just what mental illness do you think these attackers suffer from exactly? Do they all suffer from the same condition? Or are they from a many and varied walks of life and backgrounds? What do you propose we should do to treat such a mental illness if it can be identified as such so easily? Or are you really such a coward that you cannot call it out for what it is? The primary problem being the Islamic ideology.

Just what is it that they all possess and have in common with each other and why is it happening on a global basis and not just in the UK?

To state that faith leaders condemn it is enough to persuade us that Islam does not have massive problems and that it is not the primary cause is laughable, they are as deceitful as politicians.

What are these faith leaders doing to change or help the situation? What are they doing to reform Islam so that attackers are not persuaded to commit atrocities? I see very little action other than words and words don't stop Jihadi terrorism.
 

Atilla

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Stepping beyond your own convictions on the matter, what is your authority for this point of view?
Not sure I understand what you mean by authority? I'm no authority other than what I encounter from various people and common sense.

I've made this same point many times before. Don't glorify the bastards for being something they are not. You are giving them false recognition. Is this not obvious?


Your sentence "Islamic Christmas terrorism risk I suppose. Its happening annually now". Is more accurate imo.


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Atilla

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Hang on, let me search for the Christian terrorist incidents, Buddhist terrorist incidents, Jewish terrorist incidents and possibly atheist terrorist incidents that have occurred on British soil in the last 5 years.......now let me search for Islamic terrorist incidents for the same time period.

I hate to break the news to you Att, but you have lost the plot if you think there is no connection with the Islamic ideology and the mass deaths of innocent people on British soil in recent times,, you are using the lefty approach of mental illness to excuse the preachings of an ideology that commands, yes commands, its ardent followers to commit such atrocities. You are also doing people who suffer mental illnesses a great disservice. You would rather try and deflect from the primary reason and blame it on something else.

Just what mental illness do you think these attackers suffer from exactly? Do they all suffer from the same condition? Or are they from a many and varied walks of life and backgrounds? What do you propose we should do to treat such a mental illness if it can be identified as such so easily? Or are you really such a coward that you cannot call it out for what it is? The primary problem being the Islamic ideology.

Just what is it that they all possess and have in common with each other and why is it happening on a global basis and not just in the UK?

To state that faith leaders condemn it is enough to persuade us that Islam does not have massive problems and that it is not the primary cause is laughable, they are as deceitful as politicians.

What are these faith leaders doing to change or help the situation? What are they doing to reform Islam so that attackers are not persuaded to commit atrocities? I see very little action other than words and words don't stop Jihadi terrorism.

Some use religion to politicise their cause but as I say you are lending them credibility in their recruitment campaign by acknowledging their actions. They are simply lunatics, terrorists.
 

Signalcalc

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Some use religion to politicise their cause but as I say you are lending them credibility in their recruitment campaign by acknowledging their actions. They are simply lunatics, terrorists.
I would like to know what the Islamic community themselves is doing to combat the radicalisation of members of its own community, there doesn't appear to be much happening at a local or global level to take action to prevent various known extreme preachers from touring the mosques of Britain.. There doesn't appear to be much action being taken in our prisons to prevent the radicalisation of inmates and there doesn't appear to be much action being taken by our politicians to identify the source of radicalisation and to suggest ways of combating the threat.

On the surface, there appears to be very little happening, very little explanation about why these attacks are happening and very little explanation about why we are not carrying out more thorough checks on who is passing through our borders or why apparent known Jihadis are being allowed to settle amongst our populations. This latter question is the most troubling for all of us.
 

Signalcalc

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Some use religion to politicise their cause but as I say you are lending them credibility in their recruitment campaign by acknowledging their actions. They are simply lunatics, terrorists.
If you think that Islamic Jihadists suffer with mental health issues, then we appear to have a rather large global mental health problem involving 100,000s of people with murderous intent, that is truly shocking and is going to cost health authorities (tax payers) many millions to put right and will no doubt cost many, many more innocent lives.
 

Signalcalc

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Some use religion to politicise their cause
This shows your fundamental lack of the understanding of Islam. Islam is an ideology encompassing political and religious Islam, they are one, as contained within its doctrines in the Koran, Hadiths and Sunnah. Muslims do not politicise the religion, they have no need to, it is their politics, they follow the doctrines which guides every action that they perform in everyday life, this includes Jihadism.
 

tomorton

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Not sure I understand what you mean by authority? I'm no authority other than what I encounter from various people and common sense.

I've made this same point many times before. Don't glorify the bastards for being something they are not. You are giving them false recognition. Is this not obvious?


Your sentence "Islamic Christmas terrorism risk I suppose. Its happening annually now". Is more accurate imo.


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By authority I am meaning source, evidence, origin.
 

tomorton

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Two people arrested in connection with drone attack at Gatwick. Which is good. Hopefully that's the end of it.............
 

trendie

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Well it is Christmas, high alert state for a Christian festival with ISIS still on the rampage, Xmas markets galore and diversity barriers in place, it's part and parcel of Christmas in the Western world. Cops & military will have been on high alert since mid-November with it ramping up as we get closer to the birthday of our lord jesus christ. All those bargain hunters and travellers need to keep an eye out, avoid Morocco, Strasbourg, Thames Estuary ships and black eye friday at all costs.
Christmas is notionally a religious festival, but is nowadays a capitalist marketing ploy.
All the advertising I am seeing doesnt show the need to express goodwill to others, kindness, or charity.
I am seeing a juggernaut of marketing imploring people to spend money on unnecessary things, under the pretext the size of an expensive present is a measure of how much you care, and that you are bad if you don't spend.
( I give money, because the boxing day sales (do they still have them?) will mean you could get the same gift at a discount.)
 
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