I think you're delusional Atilla. You must be reading wishful thinking times. I look forward to your comments when article 50 is triggered. I suspect you will have something different to say about it failing in other ways. You're such a positive bloke.
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mike.
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Yes, it will be triggered in Oct Nov, at the moment we have the upper hand to work on the best way forward before negotiations start...so suck it up buttercup, let the traders trade and the politicians politish, because it's definitely going to happen.
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Ok here is a scenario for you.
Theresa gets elected. Negotiations continue with EU. EU give us a Norway type deal (pretty much the same give or take a few). It's hailed a success and much improved offer.
Boris and Gove agree in response to cabinet positions. Life goes on as we know it. Farage retires to Island of Sheppey and lives happily ever after. :idea:
In fact, thinking about it this may well have been Boris's gamble. To force a renewed deal from the EU - he even said so and hinted at one point and was laughed at in commons by Cameron.
Alternatively, put him self up in the Euro-septic ranks with a view to bidding for another PM election run in due course.
You see it's all politics and power plays. Personally, if I was the EU. I would not be much amused by euro-septic games. UK will lose credibility and someone somewhere will pay in some other round of horse trading.
So you guys are saying defo to article 50! I'm saying it's all to play for. 70/30 we stay in.
Bonne chance
You still don't get it. Why do you think EU leaders have been talking about free movement of people? Why do you think Cameron told Brussels that immigration was the primary reason the vote leave won. Of course there are other extremely important elements, arguably more important, that gave people support to their leave vote. Britain is not going to agree a deal that includes free movement of people. To think this shows how disconnected you are.
If you think the UK has no cards to play in this negotiation then you are again lost. All of the members of the EU have their domestic economies to worry about. In France, farmers will be b!tching to their government that their business is struggling because of tariffs with the UK. Same applies to Spain, same applies to Germany. So what you have is large players in the EU whose domestic businesses have invested interest in trade deals with the UK. The EU is effectively on a back foot.
Your scenario is tunnel vision.
If you think the UK has no cards to play in this negotiation then you are again lost. All of the members of the EU have their domestic economies to worry about. In France, farmers will be b!tching to their government that their business is struggling because of tariffs with the UK. Same applies to Spain, same applies to Germany. So what you have is large players in the EU whose domestic businesses have invested interest in trade deals with the UK. The EU is effectively on a back foot.
Your scenario is tunnel vision.
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Frexit
Frexit – short for "French exit" – is a French spinoff of the term Brexit, which emerged when the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in June of 2016. Other countries with fringe parties that have similarly acknowledged the possibility of leaving the EU include the Netherlands (Nexit), Italy (Italeave) and Austria (Auxit or Oexit). The specific terms of referendum differ depending on each country's interests.
Frexit – short for "French exit" – is a French spinoff of the term Brexit, which emerged when the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in June of 2016. Other countries with fringe parties that have similarly acknowledged the possibility of leaving the EU include the Netherlands (Nexit), Italy (Italeave) and Austria (Auxit or Oexit). The specific terms of referendum differ depending on each country's interests.
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Andrea Leadsom is standing for leader. The ideal candidate.
I'm off down the bookies....laters.
Don't forget Atilla....I got form for picking winners dude !
I'm off down the bookies....laters.
Don't forget Atilla....I got form for picking winners dude !
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Atilla
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Good argument. Self interest is the name of the game. Maybe things will have cooled off by October. In any case, what happens in Westminster ...... there are so many variables, here. New Conservative mp, fresh elections, fresh elections that SNP could win, Scotland wanting another refendum,new socialist leader. or no. Scotland leaving the UK, Commons overturning UK Brexit refendum
I'm knocking off and going on holiday while you sort your side of the channel out!
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu...appetite-returns-after-brexit-vote-2016-06-29
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...er-happen-despite-eu-referendum-a7108811.html
Was also quoted in the BBC early morning 5:30 am news.
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You should really see just how seriously my coconut friends are taking this!
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I thought you were on a permanent holiday in sunny Spain !
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In my view these are not "speaking for the markets" they are just after the event opinions in the same way that after any market event happens people try to give a reason as to why and more often than not are wrong.
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Either way Trader, markets on rise because Brexit fears are easing because it may not happen.
Leave campaigners have said there is no need to trigger Article 50 immediately, suggesting that first there should be a period of informal discussions with other EU members and the European Commission to iron out the main issues and a feasible timetable.
Brexit on - markets take fright
Brexit off - markets recover
I could be wrong of course. There is the possibility market's are rising because it likes Brexit. I wouldn't like to argue with Mr Market :whistling
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Well measuring any market sentiment based on a few days is never that sensible or conclusive. What markets generally like is lack of uncertainty so when any event happens it creates volatility and when that happens investments are immediately moved into safe havens such as bonds and gold.
We wont know the real likely impact on markets for 6 months in my view and only after that will any prevailing trend be able to be determined from Brexit. Long term investors know that you don't look at the markets on a daily basis when looking for long term returns and it is very counter productive to do so and the same applies to assessing market trend now after less than a week since this has happened.
We wont know the real likely impact on markets for 6 months in my view and only after that will any prevailing trend be able to be determined from Brexit. Long term investors know that you don't look at the markets on a daily basis when looking for long term returns and it is very counter productive to do so and the same applies to assessing market trend now after less than a week since this has happened.
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Judging by Theresa May's speech this morning there will be no referendum re-run and she respects the result and will implement it if she becomes PM.
Of course three hours is a long time in politics so who knows. Everything in life has speeded up as has Harold Wilson's week in politics which now looks very pedestrian.
Of course three hours is a long time in politics so who knows. Everything in life has speeded up as has Harold Wilson's week in politics which now looks very pedestrian.
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