3rd Party

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If the LibDems were to promise not to form another coalition with any other party, but just become a powerful thrrd force in government, would they become more popular in the next elections?

I think that they made a grave mistake when they took up with the Conservatives and that the country needs an influential third force in government decisions. I doubt whether UKIP can do it, this time, but we never know, of course.

In Spain, I believe that the same is true. The country is governed by, either, the socialist PSOE, or the right wing PP. Rajoy is, IMO, improving the country's economy at the expense of 23% unemployed. No wonder that the electorate is looking at Podemos, a brand new party that has increased poll porcentages at an astonishing rate. 16%, and no one had heard of them a year ago. My problem with it is that I am not sure how far left they lie, the leader wears his hair in a tail!

 

[Mr. Charts]

"I am not sure how far left they lie, the leader wears his hair in a tail! "

If he wears sandals, promises one thing and does the opposite and is full of self-righteousness, envies anyone better off than him, then he is a bona fide card carrying Lib Dem right down to the soul of his hypocrisy.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Otherwise he is merely a bog standard lying politician.

 

[Pat494]

Well you know the old saying - scum floats to the top !

Be especially aware of the ones that use evocative words like freedom, liberty, equality etc. They have been fooling the dumb masses for millennia with such words. Same lies since Greek and Roman times. The gulliuble actually believe them - idiots.

I think voters should start off life with one vote each and get another every 10 years as they mature - topping out at 70.

Power to the pensioners imho The GREY PARTY.

The young are full of hot air and nonsense

 

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Yes, all that, but would you vote for him, or not?

You'd have to live here to appreciate the unbelievable amount of corruption that is in the country. The beloved ex-President of Cataluña, Jordi Pujol, father of Catalan Independence and all the rest of it, along with his family of wife and seven kids (three sons are being investigated by anti-corruption) is said to have syphoned off well over a billion Euros during his 23 years in office. Valencia, Andalucia the same. Over 40 million Euros (peanuts) creamed off party funds by the treasurer, now ex. and in gaol awaiting trial. The latest is the Visa Black credit card issued by a bank to 83 individuals, who bought holidays, clothes, etc to the tune of 15 million euros and none of it declared to the tax people. Only 4 people never touched a cent and they have been named as a reward! These 83 people come from all walks of life and all parties and unions.

There's a lot more, but I can't think of it, right now. S0 you can see that people getting evicted for mortgage problems are looking for another party.

Your MPs who were in the expenses account scandal should have come out here for lessons or is it possible that some were clever enough not to get caught, yet?

 

[Pat494]

Yes, all that, but would you vote for him, or not?

You'd have to live here to appreciate the unbelievable amount of corruption that is in the country. The beloved ex-President of Cataluña, Jordi Pujol, father of Catalan Independence and all the rest of it, along with his family of wife and seven kids (three sons are being investigated by anti-corruption) is said to have syphoned off well over a billion Euros during his 23 years in office. Valencia, Andalucia the same. Over 40 million Euros (peanuts) creamed off party funds by the treasurer, now ex. and in gaol awaiting trial. The latest is the Visa Black credit card issued by a bank to 83 individuals, who bought holidays, clothes, etc to the tune of 15 million euros and none of it declared to the tax people. Only 4 people never touched a cent and they have been named as a reward! These 83 people come from all walks of life and all parties and unions.

There's a lot more, but I can't think of it, right now. S0 you can see that people getting evicted for mortgage problems are looking for another party.

Your MPs who were in the expenses account scandal should have come out here for lessons or is it possible that some were clever enough not to get caught, yet?

Most people have heard of Scotland but Catalonia ?
I may be underestimating things but will Madrid give them a free referendum to leave ? Can they manage an army, air force or their economy ? Or just another load of trouble makers who have escaped from a funny farm somewhere ? Money is probably the root of the problem. So who gets what ? Is there 1 honest politician ?

If there is I suggest you vote for him/her

 

[Pat494]

People are aware of politics the world over now and trying different things. Trouble is just about every system comes up short. Whether it is the clerics in the Middle East, democracy ( left right or liberal ), dictatorship ( Kim in N. Kores is looking very shakey now ) or whatever.

How do you fancy a Grey Party as above ?

 

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Most people have heard of Scotland but Catalonia ?
I may be underestimating things but will Madrid give them a free referendum to leave ? Can they manage an army, air force or their economy ? Or just another load of trouble makers who have escaped from a funny farm somewhere ? Money is probably the root of the problem. So who gets what ? Is there 1 honest politician ?

If there is I suggest you vote for him/her

Apart from the military, that you have mentioned, there is health. pensions and education to take into consideration, plus the fact that two major banks and Volkswagon have threatened to leave. This whole question is an unknown quantity. All I can do is sit back, like the rest, and see what happens on November 9. Of course, that is the referendum "right to decide" day and does not mean independence will come but it will be an act of civil disobedience by millions of people in a very important part of Spain. The port is said to be 20% owned by Chinese interests, now, which are interested in exporting into Europe. An independent Cataluña woukd be out of the EU and would have to renegotiate entry.

I've deviated from the LiDems, I'm afraid, but I feel that a two party system is not enough, in any democratic country, now.

 

[Pat494]

and Spain is that speck in the corner I suppose ?