Charlie,charliechan said:lol - im sorry for misunderstanding what was not in fact a misunderstanding. the misunderstanding was entirly mine. now i understand! i realise that you could equally peel away the leaves of an iceberg lettuce with a knife and fork.
I am glad we cleared that up. Well, almost.. the "iceberg lettuce / knife and fork" was actually a reference to a suggestion made by Socrates on the best way to practice brain surgery.
Oh dear. It's one of life's great mysteries how several people can read the same thing and interpret it completely differently. Personally, I like try and approach things from a more positive perspective and if in doubt as to someones intent clarify before laying down challenges such as this. However, each to his own.
fwiw, my take on DB's comments were:
.. . . . For one thing, the sort of coach I referred to in my post does not "teach the student to trade as he does", though if that's the sort of coach you want, you don't have to go searching for one. All you have to do is stand still and they'll be all over you.
In other words, there are numerous people on T2W who will gladly 'teach' you their method or sell you their signals. The FX forums are teaming with them for a start. And DB is surely absolutely, you don't have to approach them. They are 'all over you'.
There are numerous people compiling journals in some shape or form. Some of them are good, some not so good. Some people would benefit from reading all of them, working out who was doing the work, what was working for them, what wasn't, who knew what they were doing who didn't. Possibly based on that a dialogue could be entered into with the journal's owner(s). Of course there are also excellent very specific threads from Skim and Chartman.If you or anyone you know is looking for a coach, I suggest you prowl the boards, particularly this one, and focus on those who are doing the work in one form or another rather than just talking about it. Read what they say. Assess what they do. Even with all the caveats that accompany hindsight postings, you'll be able to tell over time who knows what they're doing and who doesn't. And if they've been posting for a while, there will be archives you can study, just in case you're for some reason in a hurry.Db
As for the rest of your post in relation to specific contributors... I couldn't disagree more (with the possible exception of the observation of the fact that they don't get on.... but then, so what!!!).
Each of them has been more than generous in sharing their insights into various aspects of trading, insights that have obviously cost them a great deal to acquire in personal terms. These insights should be viewed as far more valuable than any attempt to teach a specific method. Actually, in the case of Mr. Marcus. I have sometimes been astounded (actually sometimes I have been quite dismayed) by his generosity. It is surely to his credit as a man, I only hope it won't be to his detriment as trader.
Anyway, each of them, with the exception of Grey 1 and Mr. C. has only ever offered to 'open peoples eyes' to the possibilities that present themselves. BTW, I separate Grey 1 simply because he sternly advocates the use of a specific set of semi automated methods and Mr. C because he charges for his services.
Of course the irony with all of this is that most people simply don't know what they don't know and will have to do an extraordinary amount of work before they understand the true value of these contributions. Needless to say, that is work most people aren't prepared to do.
When you say
I'm loath to quote you here since I believe the lumping together of the contributors under the term 'guru' to be insulting to say the least. However, simply put, It's up to every individual to do the work necessary to determine whether any contribution, from anybody, has merit. Anyway, to my knowledge, none of the contributors you mention (with the exception of Mr C. is selling anything any more than other insightful posters such as Tony TB, GJ, Arb, etc. are.So, how - precisely - is the the 'newbie' or not so new trader supposed to distinguish between the five gurus and decide which to listen to and which to ignore? Perhaps I should create a poll and let members cast their votes . . . ?
As such please don't insult their generosity further by crass suggestions such as a poll. I don't know if anybody has told you this but the market isn't a democracy, a fact I'm reminded of all too frequently with a slap.