Trading 'Gurus' and censorship

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Hi,

How is it possible to determine whether a trading 'guru' on T2W is genuine when posts directed at their trading ability are immediately censored?

cheers,
Pete.

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Can all contributors to this thread please keep it civil and try to stay reasonably on topic. Thanks!
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Hi Skimbleshanks,

Thanks for the reply, I said I thought it was very very unlikely that Socrates was a successful trader. I was hoping that Socrates himself would be able to answer that, and didn't see it as a personal attack, nevertheless I'll go back and ask again in more toned down language.

cheers,
Pete.
 
Whether someone is successful or not is a personal question, and therefore I suggest you are making a public statement about it to create mischief. If you wish to ask Socrates, why not use a PM?

I think it far better that you lead from the front and post YOUR full trading records for all here to scrutinise. And then anyone else who feels the need can post theirs too.

After you've posted your records, perhaps you can also determine what 'successful' means.

I'm sure we all look forward to having a good look at your trading records. :D
 
Skimbleshanks,

I see my next post to Socrates thread 'The Journey from the Basement' has been censored again!

In it I asked:

"Socrates,

Are you a successful trader? If so would you be able to demonstrate your trading abilities by posting some real time trades to this board?"

Is this considered a personal attack? To me I am just asking a straightforward question about someone's trading ability.

Since that person has portrayed themselves as an expert on trading psycology, to my mind it is legitimate and reasonable to ask whether that expertise has bought them trading success.

Without the answers to questions like this, novice traders may assume that Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

cheers,
Pete.
 
smileypete said:
... novice traders may assume that Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

Are you aware that your above statement is defamatory? Perhaps you would care to provide the proof that Socrates is not successful. If you are unable to do that, you may wish to hope and pray that he doesn't come after you for libel.

If you care to read the first post on the Journey to the Basement thread, you will notice that the second line of copy states that it is for advanced traders. The advanced has even been put in bold to make it clear to everyone.
 
Skimbleshanks,

In answer to you question I don't consider myself as a successful trader as such, if I was I wouldn't be getting into a lively debate while the markets were open!

However I am not portraying myself as a trading expert in any way, and if I was I would be glad to provide proof of trading ability.

I'd be happy to post a few DOW trades in real time for a bit of fun, if I did so would you post a few real time trades of your own?

cheers,
Pete.
 
Skimbleshanks,

I think you quoted me a bit out of context there. I basically said:

Without the answers to questions like this [asking whether Socrates is a successful trader], novice traders may assume that Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

That doesn't look libellous to me! I am just saying it's possible to assume Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

Hopefully Socrates himself will come along later and clear things up. If he can post some successful trades in real time, that will help convince me that he is a successful trader.

cheers,
Pete.
 
smileypete said:
I don't consider myself as a successful trader as such, if I was I wouldn't be getting into a lively debate while the markets were open!

So are you now suggesting that I am not successful because I am posting on a board while the markets are open?

smileypete said:
I am not portraying myself as a trading expert in any way, and if I was I would be glad to provide proof of trading ability.

So are you saying that anyone who posts on these boards from a position of knowledge, ie an expert, is expected to provide proof of their trading ability?

Did you not understand the bit about what you posted being defamatory? I understand that Socrates has deep pockets. So deep in fact that they touch the ground.

Now I suggest that you post a full public apology on these boards for libelling Socrates.
 
smileypete said:
Without the answers to questions like this [asking whether Socrates is a successful trader], novice traders may assume that Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

You have now repeated the defamation.

smileypete said:
I am just saying it's possible to assume Socrates is a successful trader when that is not the case.

And you have repeated it yet again.

Not only have you libelled him once, but you have now gone on to repeat it twice.
 
No prizes for guessing who's got the hots for Socrates

Libel ? nonsense ! get real Skim
 
Skimbleshanks said:
So are you now suggesting that I am not successful because I am posting on a board while the markets are open? .

No, I think you are reading into things. I said if *I* were a successful trader, *I* wouldn't get into a debate while the market is open. Me! Not you!

You may be able to do both but even if I was successful I doubt I could. The DOW has just bounced 60 points in 40 minutes, I would have to concentrate 100% on that.


Skimbleshanks said:
So are you saying that anyone who posts on these boards from a position of knowledge, ie an expert, is expected to provide proof of their trading ability?

No, again I said (in response to your requests to post my trading records) if I were portraying myself as a trading expert, *I* would post proof of my trading ability. It's a personal thing.


Skimbleshanks said:
Did you not understand the bit about what you posted being defamatory? I understand that Socrates has deep pockets. So deep in fact that they touch the ground.

Now I suggest that you post a full public apology on these boards for libelling Socrates.

Sorry, I understand that I have not been defamatory, so will not apologise. Since it appears to me that healthy skepticism is not tolerated on these boards, I'll go back to lurking.

Still, if you post some trades in real time, I'll see if I can do the same ;)

bye,
Pete.

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More unbiased 'moderation' Skim - well done..........

Pete - see:- http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showpost.php?p=124786&postcount=120 and you'll understand why Skim is so supportive of Socrates.........

He has the best interests of T2W members at heart and always has well-balanced views.....is never inflammatory and respects all fellow traders at whatever level they are..

it's very 'hot' stuff........

Regards

ps - and are you sure that you're in Kingston...?.. - Skim might be checking your IP address and drawing conclusions.......
 
A suggestion , if I may. Take things as read, unless you KNOW to the contrary. It seems logical to me, that if someone teaches bricklaying as a career, the chances are that that person is/was a fairly competent bricklayer. But there may be exceptions- unlikely, but possible.
Take myself, for example. Many people think that I am a trader, but nothing could be further from the truth.However, it is undeniable that the methods I show have enabled numerous people to become better traders. It matters not what is behind the mask, only what is delivered.
It does not matter what Socratees is or may pretend to be. What is important is what he has delivered. Whether you believe in what he has delivered , or even if he is qualified to do so is entirely a different matter.
We all think we are going to heaven..... where is the proof?
 
Chartman and Skim, both of you are trying to teach people manners. You are both trying to make water run uphill. You are both making a sterling effort. Trying to educate the uneducatable does not pay. For this reason I have incinerated yesterday evening thousands of pounds worth of books and texts that I had set aside and intended as gifts, that is free of charge, postage paid, in padded envelopes, all of which were surplus to my requirements, for the benefit of members, any member, who felt a need for them, on a first come first served basis.

I furthermore intended to do a thread exclusively devoted to the finer points of supply and demand, also at an extremely high level, not found in textbooks, for different instruments, particularly ES, in real time, with a fully annotated commentary as events unfolded, to cover point and figure, candles, bars, and tape reading.
Not any more.

As a consequence of the threats and rudeness with which I am rewarded by aggressive and rude individuals who are oblivious of the true facts, but just post stupidly for the sake of being rude and aggressive with the intent of doing me harm, I therefore now take the posture that no one member on this website is entitled any more to ask me any questions, or to seek any advice, or any help of any sort.

That is it, and nothing will make me change my mind on this, thank you both for your support.
 
You're welcome.Perhaps I can be so bold as to sell you something.... a thicker skin... or perhaps you already have one that is suitable... I don't know. The dunces, detractors and abusers , whoever they may be, will get their just rewards in time. It may be a swift ban from one of the mods, it may be a monstrous loss on a trade, or what ever. I have learnt in life that there is no point in getting mad. There's little point in getting even and there is absolutely nothing more self destructive that seeking revenge.
I could go on all night...
Such a waste.
 
Hi Smiley
I have asked a similar question.
As I understand it Soc is more a long term buy and hold share trader rather than a day trader so success could only be quantified after a long period.
 
some people seek to control their own lives through hard work and experience and learning

whilst others who never valued those things and dont value their own lives - seek to control others by offering solutions to problems that never helped them - but they know for sure others cannot succeed without
 
historically -long term buy and hold has turned out to be the ace - but the new ace is long term short and hold - come back in a few years for part 2
 
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