The Next US President

[hhiusa]

There is a difference between talking about extremists and extreme action by oneself. I vote for moderate politicians and don't trust populists or extremists.
If you want an amusing day out in London then visit Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park. Usually a ranting fanatic or two there on a Sunday.

Your statements are extreme and that is what I was referring to. It is definitely lacking in couth to liken Trump to Hitler. Hitler killed millions and Trump to my knowledge has not. That is why I mean by your extremist comments. They are lacking in intelligence, forethought and class. This forum is your virtual Speaker's Corner.

You say that you don't trust populists and yet you make populist arguments about government and economics. You say that you do not like extremists, but your comments are extreme and lacking in inductive or deductive reasoning.

The pot calling the kettle black is spot on with you. :smart:

 

[Pat494]

Your statements are extreme and that is what I was referring to. It is definitely lacking in couth to liken Trump to Hitler. Hitler killed millions and Trump to my knowledge has not. That is why I mean by your extremist comments. They are lacking in intelligence, forethought and class. This forum is your virtual Speaker's Corner.

You say that you don't trust populists and yet you make populist arguments about government and economics. You say that you do not like extremists, but your comments are extreme and lacking in inductive or deductive reasoning.

The pot calling the kettle black is spot on with you. :smart:

Kindly get your facts right. I never compared Trump to Hitler. I feel it would be healthier all round if extremism is condemned not condoned. Think of the number of people who should have survived WW2 but didn't because Hitler wasn't stopped.

 

[Pat494]

Here is today's Trump quote

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

 

[counter_violent]

Your statements are extreme and that is what I was referring to. It is definitely lacking in couth to liken Trump to Hitler. Hitler killed millions and Trump to my knowledge has not. That is why I mean by your extremist comments. They are lacking in intelligence, forethought and class. This forum is your virtual Speaker's Corner.

You say that you don't trust populists and yet you make populist arguments about government and economics. You say that you do not like extremists, but your comments are extreme and lacking in inductive or deductive reasoning.

The pot calling the kettle black is spot on with you. :smart:

Trumps biggest fan.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/ann-coulter-donald-trump-immigration-abortion/

 

[hhiusa]

Kindly get your facts right. I never compared Trump to Hitler. I feel it would be healthier all round if extremism is condemned not condoned. Think of the number of people who should have survived WW2 but didn't because Hitler wasn't stopped.

You likened the far right of France and the US to the Nazi party in post #154. I certainly do not consider them to be far right. What France, Germany, Sweden and the US has is a desire to protect what makes their country great. It is nationalist not left or right.

 

[Pat494]

You likened the far right of France and the US to the Nazi party in post #154. I certainly do not consider them to be far right. What France, Germany, Sweden and the US has is a desire to protect what makes their country great. It is nationalist not left or right.

In post 154 I was pointing out that there are still some Nazis around when the issue was resolved in 1945. Some people never learn and are born stupid. Nationalism is also an area for extremists to fool many people and many a war has been fought when politicians have waved the Nationalist flag.

You talk about the far right and then say they are not far right. Make yer mind up. Perhaps even a clown like you might agree that the focus of world leaders should be for peace and prosperity for all ? Solving issues like climate change, pollution, nuclear disarmament, terrorism etc.

 

[trendie]

You likened the far right of France and the US to the Nazi party in post #154. I certainly do not consider them to be far right. What France, Germany, Sweden and the US has is a desire to protect what makes their country great. It is nationalist not left or right.

Parties that have nationalist agendas, which might extend to anti-immigration / border-control style policies, tend to be regarded generally as to the right of the political spectrum.

I chose reuters as a data source, as you seem to like them, although I prefer those leftie,pinko,tofu-munching,commie-hugging, BBC rascals.

reuters: Dec 7th:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-politics-idUKKBN0TQ0VB20151207
".... The National Front came first in six of 13 regions in Sunday's vote, its best showing ever. The anti-Europe, anti-immigration party ...."

Most of the articles have "right", "far-right" associated with "anti-immigrant", "anti-refugee", "border control" views.

The question of what constitutes "great" in a country, is a whole different topic.

Did we ever resolve who was going to be the next US President?

 

[Pat494]

Here is another Chump statement, judge for yourself

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

 

[hhiusa]

In post 154 I was pointing out that there are still some Nazis around when the issue was resolved in 1945. Some people never learn and are born stupid. Nationalism is also an area for extremists to fool many people and many a war has been fought when politicians have waved the Nationalist flag.

You talk about the far right and then say they are not far right. Make yer mind up. Perhaps even a clown like you might agree that the focus of world leaders should be for peace and prosperity for all ? Solving issues like climate change, pollution, nuclear disarmament, terrorism etc.

No. You said "Just sad old Nazis and their doctrine of hate" in response to the ideas of the National Front and Trump on immigration. Why do something so random as to bring up the Nazis.

You have terrible reading comprehension. While they are called the far-right for reference purposes, I stated that I do not view them as far right. Wow, that was quite simple. How are you having trouble reconciling that in your mind? It seems that you are unable to avoid name calling in your statements. I won't bother calling them arguments. As I said, "you likened Le Pen and Trump to Nazis".

Nationalism is having pride in your country. The left and the right alike can promote it. Whatever negative connotation you wish to give it is up to you.

 

[ffsear]

No. You said "Just sad old Nazis and their doctrine of hate" in response to the ideas of the National Front and Trump on immigration. Why do something so random as to bring up the Nazis.

Thats the way it works now, The left wing (in this country) after realising that socialism is a load of old bollox have basically re-branded themselves as "Anti-Fascists" And anyone who opposes their views is a fascist.

 

[wackypete2]

This thread has been way off topic since page 1.
So who will be the next US president??

I don't particularly like Trump, but I think he is the best of a poor republican field, and definitely better than Clinton.

Just my 2 cents.

Peter

 

[Pat494]

On exporting goods to China: "Listen you m-----f------, we're going to tax you 25 percent!"

Perhaps someone should tell Trump that many selections in his signature clothing line are manufactured in China so that the business magnate can cut costs.

Well not really the diplomat is he !! He won't be making any friends er anywhere with these sorts of comments.

 

[hhiusa]

This thread has been way off topic since page 1.
So who will be the next US president??

I don't particularly like Trump, but I think he is the best of a poor republican field, and definitely better than Clinton.

Just my 2 cents.

Peter

That is definitely a non-committal response. You like Trump more than the other Republicans and definitely more than Clinton. Does that mean that you want Trump for president?

 

[hhiusa]

@Pat494 This describes you perfectly. You are always trying to create false dichotomies.

Thats the way it works now, The left wing (in this country) after realising that socialism is a load of old bollox have basically re-branded themselves as "Anti-Fascists" And anyone who opposes their views is a fascist.

 

[Pat494]

@Pat494 This describes you perfectly. You are always trying to create false dichotomies.

No it doesn't ad Chumpy. Oh I see in the news he is Mr. Putin's favourite candidate ! ha ha.

 

[hhiusa]

@ffsear said it. You throw digressions in call people names when they do not agree. You are the so-called anti-fascist party calling everyone else fascists. :smart:

See. another "against the man" fallacy. Who cares what Putin likes? Behave like an adult and post something worthwhile. You are only calling out your own inability to make a logical thought.

Trump continues to be the front runner for the Republican party. Even 18% of Democrats are for Trump's immigration policies according to Bloomberg.

 

[Pat494]

Reminds me of Caligula.
It will be a sad day when America in desperation elects such a man over a decent sane one.

 

[hhiusa]

Again it raises the question why you are so concerned, when you say that you do not like it here because of guns and such.

I feel that a wave of discontent is growing through the US and Europe. Trump seems like the response in the U.S

In Euorpe
There is fear that German Chancellor Merkel might be ousted from office due to her open-door immigration policy after attacks and xenophobia have begun to move across Europe. This increases the likelihood that a new successor will have any issues about abandoning Greece or other weaker nations.

In U.K.
Euroskepticim has been growing in the UK for a bit now. Cameron is trying to renegotiate better to avoid a Brexit. Morgan Stanley has been warning its clients to pay attention in case the "leave camp" wins.

 

[Pat494]

Perhaps I should point out before hhiusa chokes on his grits that I don't really dislike the USA but do feel obliged to raise questions about various matters. None of which will be addressed but no-one is perfect.

A " safe pair of hands " he ain't.

 

[hhiusa]

Perhaps I should point out before hhiusa chokes on his grits that I don't really dislike the USA but do feel obliged to raise questions about various matters. None of which will be addressed but no-one is perfect.

A " safe pair of hands " he ain't.

I suppose I feel about the same toward the presidential choices as Wacky Pete. Trump is the best of the Republicans and that is not saying much.

USA today 68% of Trump’s supporters would vote for him if he bolts the GOP
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/12/08/poll-trump-cruz-rubio-clinton-sanders/76948760/

This describes @Pat494 perfectly. Remember post #154.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"—​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.
Once such a comparison is made, whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is a term coined by German-American philosopher Leo Strauss in 1951.
According to Strauss, the Reductio ad Hitlerum is a humorous observation where someone compares an opponent's views with those that would be held by Hitler or the Nazi Party. The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p24_reductio.html

it is a tactic often used to derail arguments, because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent, as Hitler and Nazism are seen as unpopular in the modern Western world.