My position stalls and goes in opposite direction

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Can anyone tell me, when I place a positon, the market simultaneously goes in the opposite direction of my position. I spot this every time on the minute charts. Is this because of liquidity? or something else.

I am with a regulated broker and it happens every time. So for example the price is falling, I place a position, then it seems to stall and go in the opposite direction as if my trade is restricting further down movement.

Does anyone know why this happens and the causes of it.
 
i think HFT can see every tick, their name & adress. they know your "retail" every trade is tagged

and they fade..

its one explanation
 
I don't think the entire market or even your particular broker was just waiting for you to show your hand so they could pounce.

Why not put your money where your mouth is? Open a token -size long, as soon as the price reverses, jump in short with the real money. If you think they're depressing prices, driving them down, why aren't you shorting?
 
TheRegulator said:
Can anyone tell me, when I place a positon, the market simultaneously goes in the opposite direction of my position. I spot this every time on the minute charts. Is this because of liquidity? or something else.

I am with a regulated broker and it happens every time. So for example the price is falling, I place a position, then it seems to stall and go in the opposite direction as if my trade is restricting further down movement.

Does anyone know why this happens and the causes of it.
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Perhaps you should examine why you placed the position when you did, and then you might discover something useful.

Of course, you know it's not your trade restricting movement, don't you? Get a second broker. What would happen when you go long in one and short in the other?
 
Does this happen to any of you or anyone else? So we all don't really know why it occurs right ? From the 3 different answers.
 
TheRegulator said:
Does this happen to any of you or anyone else? So we all don't really know why it occurs right ? From the 3 different answers.
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How much does it happen by? Just in case you're overlooking the obvious what is the spread on the instrument you are trading?
 
Well if you are trading FTSE, for example, the bid price (that you sell at) is 1 point lower than the offer price (that you buy at). So, when you buy you immediately get 1 point less if you sell it. That's the spread and different instruments have different spreads.
 
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TheRegulator said:
I spot this every time on the minute charts. Is this because of liquidity? or something else.
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I hope you are not trading on the minute charts. :rolleyes: Unless you are experienced, just looking at them while you're in a trade will drive you insane especially if you are trading on higher time frame charts.

Peter
 
TheRegulator said:
Can anyone tell me, when I place a positon, the market simultaneously goes in the opposite direction of my position. I spot this every time on the minute charts. Is this because of liquidity? or something else.

I am with a regulated broker and it happens every time. So for example the price is falling, I place a position, then it seems to stall and go in the opposite direction as if my trade is restricting further down movement.

Does anyone know why this happens and the causes of it.
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Are u trading with bucket shops?
 
barjon said:
Well if you are trading FTSE, for example, the bid price (that you sell at) is 1 point lower than the offer price (that you buy at). So, when you buy you immediately get 1 point less if you sell it. That's the spread and different instruments have different spreads.
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I took a screen shot to show what I mean when I place position it simultaneously goes opposite.
 

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Price can either go up or down. If its not in a consistent uptrend or a consistent downtrend, then its about 50-50 which it will do. Especially in the next 9 minutes.
 
TheRegulator said:
I took a screen shot to show what I mean when I place position it simultaneously goes opposite.
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Hi TheRegulator, The screen shot shows a ONE SECOND chart. What time frame do you trade from? also what instrument?
 
This happens to every trader. Every trader has seen their trades stopped out the second before a massive reversal or their trade just misses their limit and then reverses and takes out their stop. These are bad beats, but they are irrelevant apart from one crucial aspect and that's how we cope with such occurrences mentally. If we start believing we're just unlucky, or become fearful, or start making adjustments like widening stops or reducing limits to avoid such instances, then we could be compounding the effects of these events.

We also have a tendency to look at the 'what ifs' and convince ourselves that we'd be profitable traders if only the 1 in 1000 event hadn't have happened. Your profit/loss is combination of all your trades, if you make 5000 trades you will experience (on average) 5no 1 in 1000 events. Accept it, sometimes they will work for you, often it feels like they always go against you.

Find coping strategies. It may be you need to set the trade and walk away from the screen or it may be you need to be more comfortable with bet sizing so that minor swings don't affect your mental state.

I hope you have better luck, but we shouldn't bet on it.
 
cbrads said:
Hi TheRegulator, The screen shot shows a ONE SECOND chart. What time frame do you trade from? also what instrument?
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Oh I was showing a 5 second chart just to show if this is normal. I use the larger time frames but use lower time frames for entry 1 hour and 15 mins.

But the screen shot is just an example of what I saw happening and wondered if this was normal .
 
That is normal , because you have to buy form someone or sell it to someone , think the otherside , they want to make money too , once you triggered one position , small or big sizes , You are part of the game , market is always right , why ?? ? (Cheating , market always moves after you and i and other's orders , do you play roulette ? you can not place you your bets after the ball landed , but market can, widen spreads, large Sunday opening gaping,95% chance of your opposition direction ) .

Try to learn the skill of catching a falling knife (falling prices,you will get hurt sometime) and know how to ride the a wave. you need to ride the wave before others, Waves has its high low and wavelength, the rest of it is simple, just need some times(wavelength) to prove you are right or wrong
(you don't need to believe me you will learned it after sometime by yourself )
 
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