ducati998 said:
True, and with DBP, it's simply a personality thing. Could be sorted out in private. 1
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However, more germane to the issue is the seeming protection and bias afforded to any criticism of Mr Charts / Naz. 2
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I would assume that you wish the website to be taken seriously, and provide the best information possible, given the unpredictable nature of financial markets. 3
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This is manifestly not happening in the aforementioned case, and has serious implications as regards impartiality. The problem of course is that they ADVERTISE their coaching service via trades posted on T2W that have no verifiability, other than, 4
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1....Trust
2....Refutation of criticism via analysis, logical argument, a certain amount of transparency. 5
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The structure of the trades are opaque due to the total lack of information, lack of transparent analysis, and basic trade related information. They are therefore failing in test #2 6
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Now of course this sort of information to someone contemplating engaging their services is vital, as it gives some basis of expectation of the sevice they will be paying for, in more ways than one possibly. 7
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As it stands, I would have the expectation of becoming immediately profitable, based on being "taught" micro-analysis, that reveals slightly ahead of time, the "probable" outcome. This is the sort of language that appears on the threads on a regular basis. I for one would feel entirely justified in my expectation of being taught this method. 8
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By way of example, this was posted on a large move made on GOOG,
No information as to if he was short, long, just that it was handled. As for an inexperienced trader reading that...............rubbish. 9
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Now by removing them from the mainstream boards, a number of things happen.
1.....They have censorship power. And, indeed they do. Nothing like blocking out difficult questions.
2.....They can refuse entry to potential criticism from critical posters
3.....They indirectly receive an endorsement from T2W as being bona fide educators.
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To my mind, any trader or investor worth his salt, welcomes criticism, tackles it head on, as if your methodology is ROBUST, and you have true success with your outcomes, you will welcome attacks on it, as of course, you can through logic, analysis, experience provide refutation of the criticism, or evidence of the methodologies robustness via transparent, real-time results in a public forum. 11
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With the removal to a "Private Members" forum, it just looks like it got too hot in the kitchen.
If you can't take a little BB flame, what hope in the market........what a joke.
d998 12
HINDSIGHT...............ok, cheers Salty.
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Whilst patrolling at periscope depth, the above was spotted and brought to my notice.
First of all and beyond anything we are very grateful to you for having coined a new word whose significance will be understood by all members very clearly at the end of this post, and for which royalties will be afforded in the sense that if and when there is a requirement to use it, you can be guaranteed it will be done so in connection with its origin and originator.
I have split up your post into 12 segments. This is because I normally use single ord'nance.
meaning the firing of single cannonballs, but in the case of your post above it merits a volley of 12 rounds.
As here we are very practised in market gunnery, all cannonballs hit their targets ( I am not doing this for your benefit you understand, but for the delight of members who know that any cannonball I fire always hits the target squarely, with a lot of noise, dust and splinters flying about as a result ) and, what is more always with unerring accuracy
So here goes :~
1. I am sure that DB does not need to sort anything out as you claim, either in public or in private. You are in no position to cast aspersions on anybody, least of all someone you do not personally know. This not only applies to DB, but to all members on this site, including me. You are best suited to introspectively reflect that you ought to sort your own self out first and then, if there are any aspersions you wish to cast you ought to consider where to put them, yourgoodself, truly, I mean it.
2. Very experienced traders who are truly battle hardened and have attained the highest levels of proficiency and expertise do not need protection as you imply. What they can do and demonstrate they can do live and otherwise, and can be absolutely verified from any angle that can be chosen to examine their proficiency, judgement and ability, is sufficient testament that they are able to protect themselves in the arena of trading first and in the arena of criticism from detractors if neccessary, as the delivered results speak for themselves.
They are not obligated to explain everything, because I can tell you first it is not necessary and secondly if they proceeded to do so in minute detail, very few indeed would be able to understand or indeed replicate, so it is pointless to even try in a public forum. Therefore any explanations have to be restricted to what is basically rock bottom basic mechanical, with which already many members and visitors have considerable difficulty, without considering anything higher.
Anything higher is not appropriate for disclosure or discussion in a public domain but only suitable for discussion and illumination in a chosen circle to which very few earn the right to be admitted. This is because of the way that all of this is constructed which is not automatically for the public benefit, because if it were, any idiot with a degree could just coast along in this and make a fortune in a week.
The market selects who shall stay and benefit and who will not.
There is no repair, no excuses, or any other nonsense, and what is more, the verdict is, perversely it may seem to you, to be delivered before the trial is heard and there is no appeal. This cruel aspect of its nature is what really upsets those who do not posess the correct faculties for this profession. And as a consesquence of not posessing the correct faculties for this profession they are unable to rationalise and overcome this obstacle.
This obstacle is but a turnstile for the few.
Everyone is searching for a "system". The number of hits threads devoted to this nonsense here, is testament to the collective propensity to try to take short cuts. We know there are no short cuts, therefore those of us who know all the safe and correct routes have a right to be selective in what we choose to post in a public forum so that the result can be shown but the method, rather, the intellectual machinery that is behind the method, (like the clockwork mechanism behind a complicated clock that chimes, has a moonphase, tells the date, and even plays Happy Birthday on the chosen date but only shows the case, the dial, and the hands) has to be and must be protected.
Therefore there is no crtiticism that can be legitimately levelled, but only acceptance should be offered instead, but your level of awareness does not allow you to consciously accept this. This is not anybody's fault but yours. You ought now to carefully again introspectively consider and think about it, and reflect.
3. Only very minute sectors of the website, in terms of contributions, can be taken seriously.
This is because of everything I describe above, and in addition, there are many people who ought not to be expressing opinions, because that is all they are, instead of views offered as a result of irrefutable supportable evidence and of merit. This lack of merit does not attract incisive professional commentary but instead is a magnet to beginners asking questions, and what is worse, asking the same questions over and over again ad nauseam, even when the questions have been answered accurately and in great detail and with care, in all sincerity in the past. This only serves to induce boredom with persistent nonsense. It causes the perpetrators of this nonsense to talk to themselves throughout the threads they originate and fill with absolute drivel. Again you would benefit greatly if only you would again introspectively reflect, consider, and act accordingly.
The best information cannot be given for all the reasons I give above.
Insofar as your statement with regard to markets being unpredicatable. This is nonsense.
Markets are perfectly predictable. They may seem perverse, difficult, random, unpredictable, baffling, unfathomable, contradictory, because according to your frame of reference it is very clear that as you percieve all of it incorrectly your conclusions will lead you to utter such silly statements about what is patently obvious, at least obvious to a handful of us, if not to you.
Again, this is your own fault. You ought to carefully consider before making such daft pronouncements. Again you would benefit from carefully introspectind and reflecting, and what is more carefully considering the validity of what you intend to post before you do it and not after. I am not here to teach you by the way, I am certain the sentiment is mirrored by those also who are in a position to grant you the gift of knowledge but whom you alieniate with your attitude.
4. There are no serious implications over anything, quite the opposite. What all of this is able to reveal is who is who in the zoo in terms of ability, conduct, and knowledge and who is not.
5. You have got it again completely "hindsite upwards", the question of trust is not something you understand. The tutor is the one who has the knowledge and is willing to give it. The tutor is the entity ready and able to choose. The aspirant may be willing or not.
The aspirant is not in control of being chosen or not. The tutor is empowered to choose or not to choose.It is his prerogative. It is the tutor who has to be satisfied that the aspirant can be entrusted with knowledge intended to be used correctly. It is the tutor who has to trust first, and not the way you imply, according to your frame of reference, which is the wrong one.
It would be the correct one only if the material was not appropriate, which is not the case.
The tutor also has to make a judgement, a very difficult one I may add, of whether the aspirant encapsulates all the personal attributes and faculties condusive to success.
The difficulty is that people are apt to tell outright lies about the levels of commitment, study, patience, integrity, persistence, interest, determination, that they are willing or able to self generate, without considering self governance of the highest order including unrelenting focus of attention, attention to detail, multitasking abilities, realism, and self control. What you do not realise is that people shown an effective proven route will stampede instead of walk it as that is the natural propensity of ordinary people driven by greed, impatience, insincerity, irresponsibility and other commonplace imperfections in character and personality that have to be worked on very hard to be able to overcome and ultimately succeed. That is why I no longer bother to teach. The individual who truly display and prove the correct faculties of Ability Merit and Conduct are in the minority and not the majority.
Again you ought to carefully introspectively examine, reflect, logically deduce and reason, before you utter such pronouncements.
There is no room for argument. All of it is patently obvious. All of it is transparent. This leads to further nonsense in 6. This is because the result of the reasoning and logical deduction and enactment is that of the enactor and not you.His frame of reasoning is his intellectual property and part of his biomind faculties and not yours. He can only be himself and not you,
though I doubt he would wish to or need to. Again, you ought to carefully consider what you say before you say it. You ought to again introspectively consider before you make statements of this sort.
7. If all of what is done is obvious and verifiable, the only obstacle to replication is the ineptitude or inability of the aspirant himself to replicate. This is beyond the powers of the tutor. You are asking the tutor to be you. This is an impossibility. You ought to again quietly contemplate the nonsense this is.
8. Yes this is the common virus with which modernity is infected. You expect to get fastened on it straight away, "just like that ! ", as the a late Tommy Cooper used to say....this is without realising you have to bring yourself to accept, not according to your frame of reference but according to the frame of reference of what is presented, which requires acceptance, impartiality, judgement, as a consequence of having developed expertise, which is beyond shallow knowing, to be able to enact according to a vast database of understanding underpinned by knowledge, understanding and the ability to act in a nanosecond. This takes time and is a skill above knowledge. But that knowledge has to be complete and absolute.
This requires effort, and a lot of it. Secondly, and what is more difficult still is to know yourself and to be in control of yourself at all times when in front of a screen. I am not here to teach you. But again, you would benefit from quiet introspection and reflection in this regard. and this may serve you to jump to the wrong conclusions in the future, the future being a very long time.
9. All ineperienced traders have a lot of opinions, just like you have opinions. In this profession there is no room for opinions. There is room for other faculties as described above. What matters is the ability to pick entry and exit points and to execute these with the correct timing. It does not matter whether the position's direction is explained or not, what is of value is the bite.
10. This is nonsense again. What they actually do is to remove themselves from being within range of idiots and detractors and unpleasant individuals. They have every right to do so.What they are doing is taking control of whom they admit to discussions and who not.
I am wholly in favour of it. I do not do this via the same route. I use a different route. When after experiencing the "hindsitery" of which the public is capable, we are forced to resume discussions of topics from angles and perspectives that interest usexclusively in peace and tranquility and absolute privacy, and out of reach of the unsuitable, the inept, the ignorant, the rude, and other categories of "hindsites".
11. Again, this is according to your frame of reference, which is not the correct one, because by displaying this frame of reference you show your unsuitability to be included in really incisive and pertinent exchange of information and intelligent structured discussion at a professional level. All of this nit picking and gossip and chit chat and back answers and arguing and confrontation and criticism and nonsense is only suitable for what is freely available to the public, which must be disregarded as the public opinion is invariably wrong, and not of any interest but instead overloaded with tedium and nonsense, which is very boring and becomes very tiresome after a while.
12. As for it being a joke, it is a joke in very bad taste, again within your frame of reference as it must carry a very bitter taste to make a joke of being excluded and invalidated.
All of the above is put to you with the best intentions for you to carefully reflect, consider, in deep introspection on your own, and expect it to be of benefit if you are so capable of doing' and having said that the orders to the crew are as follows :
"Periscope down....group down...flood all tanks....midships...etc.,
