Lee Shepherd's Trading Diary

timsk

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Have to agree with the above Lee, I think your reading far to much into this, just some keyboard warrior having a pop, nobody believed it anyhow. Don't let them sit back and laugh at this thinking they made you quit, you gave me some great advice and I believe there is more to come yet, have a rest over the weekend and look forward to your return Monday eh ?
Lee,
I understand how you feel but, as Mike says, you'll be playing straight into the hands of your attacker. It's the equivalent of people not going about their normal lives after a terrorist attack. That's exactly what the terrorists want to achieve - to disrupt ordinary peoples lives. So, as Mike says, do please reconsider your position on this issue. Take a week or two out and then come back and hit us with your usual wisdom and insightful posts!
(y)
Tim.
 

Vasco da Banana

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Lee,
I understand how you feel but, as Mike says, you'll be playing straight into the hands of your attacker. It's the equivalent of people not going about their normal lives after a terrorist attack. That's exactly what the terrorists want to achieve - to disrupt ordinary peoples lives. So, as Mike says, do please reconsider your position on this issue. Take a week or two out and then come back and hit us with your usual wisdom and insightful posts!
(y)
Tim.
I agree. It's like giving in to bullies. Don't let them get away with it.
 

Shakone

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Assuming you're not new to trading, most come to Trade2Win for a bit of lulz and banter, maybe a few decent insights and debates every now and again. If it ever becomes stressful to be here, then I think most of us would leave. If you think you wouldn't care and shrug it off, it's perhaps because you're anonymous here, like I am. I'd also choose to always remain as anonymous as possible, because I know there are far too many nutjobs out there. Lee is not.

The situation was handled badly. A vendor came on with malicious claims, and was challenged by the members, who to a man, defended Lee and pointed out that the claims didn't have any basis. The mods deleted most of these members posts criticising the vendor and yet allowed this vendor to continue to post. Obviously the vendor had lied to the mods, but still, it should have been handled in a better way.

Had the mods weighed up the situation, that an old member, was being attacked by a member with no real track record of posts or behaviour, and that the consensus from other members was that the vendor was a fraud, then it is obvious what should have been done.

So what is there to stop this or something like it, happening to any other member?
 

tar

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I disagree with Shakone , i think the situation was handled pretty good , he was banned within a couple of hours , how much you want 5 minutes ?! This is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to his opinion within the guidelines , he claimed something then posted his proof which was way off , members challenged him , then mods deleted the stuff - instantly - then after few posts and arguments they banned him , what you want they ban him after 5 min because he attacked a member ? Doesn't sound reasonable , remember he claimed that he's working for IG and everything was quick , IMHO :) .
 
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DionysusToast

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I disagree with Shakone , i think the situation was handled pretty good , he was banned within a couple of hours , how much you want 5 minutes ?! This is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to his opinion within the guidelines , he claimed something then posted his proof which was way off , members challenged him , then mods deleted the stuff - instantly - then after few posts and arguments they banned him , what you want they ban him after 5 min because he attacked a member ? Doesn't sound reasonable , remember he claimed that he's working for IG and everything was quick , IMHO :) .
I agree - the Mods do their thing voluntarily.

I see T2W as a small corner shop business. It's not going to be manned 24x7 and occasionally some d!ckhead is bound to get in and steal a box of Snickers from under the counter which won't be missed until Mrs Smith comes in the morning to open up.

When she gets in, she sees the broken door window, the Snickers wrappers on the floor and she gets a whiff of the unmistakable scent of poo smeared on Mr Smiths newly painted wall.

With a sigh, she goes to the back of the shop to her Marigolds, mop and bucket, understanding that people will occasionally steal a few chocolate bars but completely mystified as to why people would want to cover the place with total cr@p.

And so the world turns. Some people spreading their sh!te and others cleaning it up. Of course, when the corner shop opens for business again, we shouldn't get all squeamish and say "I'm not going in there again, people put poo on the walls". On the contrary, we should thank Mrs Smith for making the place all spick and span for us again.

And for any shopkeepers in Great Wyrley in the mid 80's. I do truly apologise for my behaviour.
 
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DionysusToast

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It's the equivalent of people not going about their normal lives after a terrorist attack.
I agree....

It's like people not wearing fluorescent light suits & dancing in the streets during an air raid.
It's like people not bloodletting because vampires are about.
It's like people not converting to Judaism just because they live in Nazi German in the late 30's.
It's like black people not going to a KKK meeting and shouting "CRACKERS" at the top of their voices once all attendees are there.
It's like people not dressing up in a giant pen!s outfit at a lesbian convention.
It's like not rubbing Bovril on your testicles and streaking at Crufts.
 
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Splitlink

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I agree - the Mods do their thing voluntarily.

I see T2W as a small corner shop business. It's not going to be manned 24x7 and occasionally some d!ckhead is bound to get in and steal a box of Snickers from under the counter which won't be missed until Mrs Smith comes in the morning to open up.

When she gets in, she sees the broken door window, the Snickers wrappers on the floor and she gets a whiff of the unmistakable scent of poo smeared on Mr Smiths newly painted wall.

With a sigh, she goes to the back of the shop to her Marigolds, mop and bucket, understanding that people will occasionally steal a few chocolate bars but completely mystified as to why people would want to cover the place with total cr@p.

And so the world turns. Some people spreading their sh!te and others cleaning it up. Of course, when the corner shop opens for business again, we shouldn't get all squeamish and say "I'm not going in there again, people put poo on the walls". On the contrary, we should thank Mrs Smith for making the place all spick and span for us again.

And for any shopkeepers in Great Wyrley in the mid 80's. I do truly apologise for my behaviour.
You have posted a good example of how things, probably, are. I had not thought of it in that way and thanks for pointing it out to us. The mods do us a great voluntary service and we should be more grateful.

I was asked if I wanted to be one. many years ago, and I turned it down. I realised, then. what a thankless task it was likely to be and I apologise for any time when I have taken the mods for granted.
 
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Shakone

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I disagree with Shakone , i think the situation was handled pretty good , he was banned within a couple of hours , how much you want 5 minutes ?! This is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to his opinion within the guidelines , he claimed something then posted his proof which was way off , members challenged him , then mods deleted the stuff - instantly - then after few posts and arguments they banned him , what you want they ban him after 5 min because he attacked a member ? Doesn't sound reasonable , remember he claimed that he's working for IG and everything was quick , IMHO :) .
Two hours you say...

There's a reason he was banned. It was because he admitted he was Mr Spreadbetting, and posted that he was doing one last attack on T2Win. He was not banned because the mods thought what he said about Lee was a bannable offence. Had he not revealed who he was, it would have continued into the next day - while we apparently wait for evidence from IGIndex (lol). This was due to the mods believing this person over an established member with no real evidence to believe him or any evidence he worked for IG. Even common sense would dictate that it was nonsense, both because the claimed photoshopping was showing a 5k loss rather than a win, and because if IG came onto trading forums revealing people's real account details, it would be quite bad for their business

Thread could have been locked and the member - temporarily at least - prevented from posting. Instead regular members defending Lee had their posts binned and were told not to even post.

Oh and lets not forget he was on the site with other accounts for days perhaps weeks before the incident, which was pointed out by members as being suspicious.

Yes mods generally do a good job, and they do it for free. But that doesn't mean they didn't get this wrong, and it doesn't mean things shouldn't be learned from this episode.
 
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DionysusToast

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Two hours you say...

There's a reason he was banned. It was because he admitted he was Mr Spreadbetting, and posted that he was doing one last attack on T2Win. He was not banned because the mods thought what he said about Lee was a bannable offence. Had he not revealed who he was, it would have continued into the next day - while we apparently wait for evidence from IGIndex (lol). This was due to the mods believing this person over an established member with no real evidence to believe him or any evidence he worked for IG. Even common sense would dictate that it was nonsense, both because the claimed photoshopping was showing a 5k loss rather than a win, and because if IG came onto trading forums revealing people's real account details, it would be quite bad for their business

Thread could have been locked and the member - temporarily at least - prevented from posting. Instead regular members defending Lee had their posts binned and were told not to even post.

Oh and lets not forget he was on the site with other accounts for days perhaps weeks before the incident, which was pointed out by members as being suspicious.

Yes mods generally do a good job, and they do it for free. But that doesn't mean they didn't get this wrong, and it doesn't mean things shouldn't be learned from this episode.
Are you suggesting that T2W is moderated by fallible human beings whom, in hindsight, and with many days consideration could have actually made better decisions at the time?

If so, I shall cancel my subscription at once.
 
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barjon

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I disagree with Shakone , i think the situation was handled pretty good , he was banned within a couple of hours , how much you want 5 minutes ?! This is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to his opinion within the guidelines , he claimed something then posted his proof which was way off , members challenged him , then mods deleted the stuff - instantly - then after few posts and arguments they banned him , what you want they ban him after 5 min because he attacked a member ? Doesn't sound reasonable , remember he claimed that he's working for IG and everything was quick , IMHO :) .
Thx, tar - but there was one bad mistake on my part that would have killed the thing much sooner.

Firstly, I was amazed that no-one reported the post attacking Lee and purporting to give details of his account As soon as I became aware of it I deleted it and asked members not to post again until Lee had the chance to see what was going on and respond. However, members continued to post and I just deleted them without really looking.This was a mistake because in the midst of those posts there was one (maybe two) from PB which made it pretty clear who the guy was and enough to have cleared him off and deleted the whole episode at that stage - as happened when he repeated the post later. Lee would have returned and would have been none the wiser so far as looking at his thread was concerned.

As it was Lee suffered a lot of worry and angst - same as any of us if our good name is dragged through the mud without any foundation whatsoever. I can understand why he feels as he does.

I am sorry to see him go and even sorrier for my part in it - I have told him so.
 

Mr. Charts

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Are you suggesting that T2W is moderated by fallible human beings whom, in hindsight, and with many days consideration could have actually made better decisions at the time?

If so, I shall cancel my subscription at once.
You'd save a lot of money :LOL:
 

Mr. Charts

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Lee,
You're obviously one of the good guys and having experienced untold "merde" thrown at me over the 12 years I've been here I can understand your feeling that you simply can't be bothered posting again.
However, you never, ever let the distorters, trolls, and liars beat you. They are scumbags, the lowest form of life that hide like the cowards they are behind the anonymity of a nick crawling out occasionally from under their rocks, and you never, ever let them beat you. You're bigger than the lizards.
Come back, believe me, t2w needs decent people and the silent (usually) majority are with you.
Best wishes,
Richard
 
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mike.

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can someone summarise what happened here?
Some guy came along and said he worked for IG and had access to Lee's account.

He then went on to claim that all Lee's account screenshots were photo-shopped and had proof, No one believed his claim, He was banned and the posts were deleted ( after a period of lulz.)

Lee really took it to heart as an attack on his good and transparent reputation he has here and subsequently quit the forum. Hope he rises above it and is back as soon as.. (y)
 
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counter_violent

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The problem is that there aren't that many straight pins left in this bent world.

My starting point as far as moderating is concerned goes like this.
Everyone has an agenda.
It's not always possible to immediately work out what it might be, but give people enough time and it will become apparent.

For all those who want to make a difference, you might consider getting on board as opposed to telling everyone else how it should be done.

cv.
 
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