EliteTrader VS Trade2win

[dbphoenix]

Yes he is One seriously misguided individual. It's not his fault entirely, as the system he operates under and is taught to accept, is unfortunately fatally flawed. More people, including the masses in the western world are coming to realise it, hence the Brexit vote and election of Trump.

A good place to start.

If the western world masses had truly realized it, they would not have voted for a supreme example of a nihilistic capitalist.

 

[counter_violent]

If the western world masses had truly realized it, they would not have voted for a supreme example of a nihilistic capitalist.

Lets face it, the vote for Trump and Brexit was was a vote against the system. These events are just stepping stones to somewhere else. Nobody knows the destination, but they do know where we have been and they don't like it.

 

[Atilla]

This is where I have a problem with right wing Brexiters stating they'll increase jobs and raise wages.

Not only that, by restricting flow of labour effectively one will be giving jobs and raising the wages of the less well skilled and educated.

The numbers simply don't add up. We can do this supposedly because the EU is declining and trade with the rest of the World will be greater than what we have now. We can't show you this but you'll have to take our word in faith for it. It is true coz we tell you so with our stuck up toffy accents.

On the other side of the swamp we have pretty much the same with Trump. Pure capitalist in sheeps clothing claiming to bring jobs and wages to disenfranchised people. So same words as Brexiters pretty much kick out the Mexicans and hey presto more jobs for US upright citizens.

However, slightly in contrast he aims to do this by coming out of free trade areas and restricting imports and putting US first in negotiating tougher agreements. One can only imagine because some dork put US second in previous administrations.


The mind boggles with what our leaders can say and what the electorate will believe.

 

[Pedro30]

Lets face it, the vote for Trump and Brexit was was a vote against the system.

Except more people voted against Trump, so FOR the system, by your logic.

Probably same for Brexit, they just didn't show up because it seemed to be a done deal. But we are getting way off topic....

 

[dbphoenix]

Lets face it, the vote for Trump and Brexit was was a vote against the system. These events are just stepping stones to somewhere else. Nobody knows the destination, but they do know where we have been and they don't like it.

True, but the "system" was the wrong target. But as most people don't know history, much less learn from it, we have to go through this again.

 

[counter_violent]

Except more people voted against Trump, so FOR the system, by your logic.

Probably same for Brexit, they just didn't show up because it seemed to be a done deal. But we are getting way off topic....

Try watching the vid I posted. Then examine where you are in the system and how you feel about that. It's simply not possible to attract as many votes for Trump or for Brexit if people were happy with the status quo.

 

[counter_violent]

True, but the "system" was the wrong target. But as most people don't know history, much less learn from it, we have to go through this again.

Actually, the system is exactly the right target, but we are all so conditioned to operate within the system that escaping it and changing it will take forever.

People, understandably, are having a great deal of difficulty putting all the pieces together. It's a complex puzzle, but at least they are starting to look at it.

 

[tar]

But we are getting way off topic....

Way off !

 

[dbphoenix]

Actually, the system is exactly the right target, but we are all so conditioned to operate within the system that escaping it and changing it will take forever.

Actually, it's not. The "system" is merely a deflection.

 

[counter_violent]

Actually, it's not. The "system" is merely a deflection.

The system is rotten to the core.

So it will be interesting to hear how it is defensible.

You need to expand on "deflection", it means nothing by itself.

 

[hhiusa]

Some may be but that is not the case for most in my view and in any case trading is capitalist by its nature.

if trading is capitalist by nature, why would any people here have socialist views. Capitalism is about free markets. It is not about the number of people that are socialist by nature, it is about the number of posts. The handful of people here that are socialist leaning comprise the majority of posts here.

The top 16 users here comprise 210,748 posts / 1,515,596 = 13.9% of all posts.
15 of those 16 are socialists.

 

[dbphoenix]

The system is rotten to the core.

So it will be interesting to hear how it is defensible.

I haven't said or implied that it is.

You need to expand on "deflection", it means nothing by itself.

Deflecting attention away from the central object toward something that is peripheral or even completely irrelevant, e.g., the bright, shiny object that distracts the attention away from whatever it is that the manipulator wants to conceal. Right, Left, Democrat, Republican, Labor, Conservative, Progressive, Populist, all "-isms" are all deflections.

IOW, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

 

[hhiusa]

hhiusa appears to have his own extreme definition for capitalism and socialism in which a true capitalist is completely devoid of any social conscience whatsoever. S/he only cares about numero uno and doesn't give a monkey's toss for anyone else. Ever! Fortunately, he is in a minority of one (here on T2W anyway), as there are many members who regard themselves as capitalists, have right wing views and always vote Tory etc. but, critically, they also have compassion and understand that there are others less fortunate than themselves who - through no fault of their own (e.g. refugees from Syria) need and deserve their help and support.
Tim.

The statement in blue is fallacious. I don't have to be a bleeding heart to care for people. Arguments that pull on people's heart strings are not arguments at all. They have no place in politics or any argument. Arguing against something just because it has untoward consequences is completely irrational. Just because something leads to preferable consequences does not make it the right thing to do.
Appeal to consequences fallacy.

So, you can continue to mudsling without actually making an salient points.

 

[Atilla]

The system is rotten to the core.

So it will be interesting to hear how it is defensible.

You need to expand on "deflection", it means nothing by itself.

You keep arguing about the system but the system is one that was trully created by the administration be it Raganomics or Thatcher were key architects in its setup and subsequent development.

Self regulation, big bang and deregulation of the financial system has been a catastrophic mistake.

It is without doubt in my mind that excessive risk taking chasing undeserved bonuses and awarding numeration packages behind closed doors by an elite few are all key ingredients.

Some people really are confused.


It is far easier to change any system from within then from the outside. :idea:

 

[timsk]

. . . So, you can continue to mudsling without actually making an salient points.

Hi hhiusa,
I wasn't mudslinging, merely characterising your position as I perceive it. After all, you are the one who is making the absurd claim about the supposed socialist bias of the T2W membership. There can only be two explanations for that. . .

Firstly, as I suggested in my last post, that you have a unique and extreme definition of capitalism and socialism respectively or, secondly, that you've not studied the forums in any depth to be able to (accurately) assess the political views of the active membership. Given the time you've been here and the extent of your involvement with the site, I've discounted the second possibility. And, as I know I'm not the socialist you claim that I am (I've never once voted Labour in my life), I've concluded that your definitions do not tally with most people's understanding of what it is to be a socialist or a capitalist. All of which are simple, logical and, dare I say it, salient points!

Tim.

 

[Pat494]

He thinks everyone to the left of Hitler is a socialist !

 

[hhiusa]

Hi hhiusa,
I wasn't mudslinging, merely characterising your position as I perceive it. After all, you are the one who is making the absurd claim about the supposed socialist bias of the T2W membership. There can only be two explanations for that. . .

Firstly, as I suggested in my last post, that you have a unique and extreme definition of capitalism and socialism respectively or, secondly, that you've not studied the forums in any depth to be able to (accurately) assess the political views of the active membership. Given the time you've been here and the extent of your involvement with the site, I've discounted the second possibility. And, as I know I'm not the socialist you claim that I am (I've never once voted Labour in my life), I've concluded that your definitions do not tally with most people's understanding of what it is to be a socialist or a capitalist. All of which are simple, logical and, dare I say it, salient points!

Tim.

Those are indeed salient points, but thry are not all that you mentioned. You did indeed mudsling saying that "I don't give a monkey's toss about others." Attacking the person instead of stating my viewpoints and countering them.

I read many of the top 20 posters here. Just looks at the members page. If I am hard-core right, then you are hard-core left along with 16 of those 20. 16 people does not sound like a lot until you see how they comprise ~15% of all posts.

Newtrader, wackypete, texasrangersfan have a somewhat similar view on capitalist laws.

 

[Pat494]

Those are indeed salient points, but thry are not all that you mentioned. You did indeed mudsling saying that "I don't give a monkey's toss about others." Attacking the person instead of stating my viewpoints and countering them.

I read many of the top 20 posters here. Just looks at the members page. If I am hard-core right, then you are hard-core left along with 16 of those 20. 16 people does not sound like a lot until you see how they comprise ~15% of all posts.

Newtrader, wackypete, texasrangersfan have a somewhat similar view on capitalist laws.

He seems to have hijacked this thread for his usual semantics and puerile views.
He is way off the point of this thread to have a go at Timsk et al.

 

[hhiusa]

He seems to have hijacked this thread for his usual semantics and puerile views.
He is way off the point of this thread to have a go at Timsk et al.

Your post is even more tangential and puerile. Puerile behavior in your avoidance in logic.

My post is completely on topic. ET vs T2W. T2W is much socialist as evidenced by the few users who comprise a great percentage of posts.

Timsk disagrees. The antics went off topic by pointing how off-color my capitalist views are. You want to complain about being tangential, complain about that.

Shall I quote your socialist leaning posts as they differ from ET.

Trader333 said trading is capitalist. Why would any trader have socialist views?

Perhaps that is why ET has less superfluous threads like Toyz for the Boyz.

 

[timsk]

Hi hhiusa,

. . .You did indeed mudsling saying that "I don't give a monkey's toss about others." Attacking the person instead of stating my viewpoints and countering them.. . .

Please don't take what I say out of context, misquote me to boot and then have the audacity to suggest that I'm mudslinging. Whilst I don't like your political views, I think you're better than that - there's no need to resort to such tactics. For the record, what I actually said was this: "hhiusa appears to have his own extreme definition for capitalism and socialism in which a true capitalist is completely devoid of any social conscience whatsoever. S/he only cares about numero uno and doesn't give a monkey's toss for anyone else." If my understanding of your view is incorrect, then all you need do is say so and demonstrate that those who subscribe to your definition of capitalism do in fact care about others less fortunate than themselves.

. . .I read many of the top 20 posters here. Just looks at the members page. If I am hard-core right, then you are hard-core left along with 16 of those 20. 16 people does not sound like a lot until you see how they comprise ~15% of all posts. . .

I don't doubt that you've read a substantial number of posts of the top 20 contributors and I accept your reasoning that they account for a significant percentage of all the posts made. However, there's just no evidence that I - or they - are 'hard core left'. I object to being described as something I'm patently not, just as a Mod would object to being described as a rocker or a punk would object to being described as a hippie. You're just plain wrong and I put it to you that you can't provide a shred of evidence to support your claim.

. . . Newtrader, wackypete, texasrangersfan have a somewhat similar view on capitalist laws.

I'd be interested to hear if these members are happy for you to align them with your extremist views.
Tim.