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J. P. Morgan used the services of Evangeline Adams, an astrologer. It is well documented.
J. P. Morgan used the services of Evangeline Adams, an astrologer. It is well documented.
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And also across T2W.
But not just before the market opens.
24/7.
Salty Gibbon said:And also across T2W.
But not just before the market opens.
24/7.
Must be this fella...
"Traditional German legend contains a character called Dukaten Scheisser, an elflike creature who embodied two specifically Plutonian themes by excreting gold coins for fortunate peasants to find.
The painter Rembrandt was much taken by this image and produced some semi-pornographic etchings of the elf engaged upon his task. This legend is perhaps the earliest non-astrological linkage of two classic 8th house themes: money and excrement."
from Hymns to the ancient gods by Michael Harding.....(possibly not the comedian..)
Chris
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Soccy baby ..... this is just what I thought you would say....
You know what Socrates? I am fed up of people like you cluttering the boards with their "wise" comments on everything under the sun at every chance you get. From the way you write, it seems obvious you are a learned man and well read as well - but so what? I don't care. I am not interested in your comments in this thread if they are not to do with the topic of the thread. Is that so difficult to understand for someone like you? This probably dents your ego, and I can understand that, but I also hope that it does cos obviously your ego needs to be dented. I am quite certain you will reply to this in a manner only a "learned man" like you can, and in a manner that only you can understand, but if you are able in any way or form, then please refrain from doing so just this once. Mainly cos I am not interested. If you have something constructive to say about the topic of the thread, then do so, but don't even start talking about the mind-set required for this type of trading because that is a separate topic.
Furthermore, please look at my following post dealing with similar "clutterers" like yourself in that thread.
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showthread.php?p=173066&#post173066
Fortunately, the people there understood, obviously agreed it made sense and stopped posting. I hope you will as well! Cos I really am fed up with your "sarcastic" and "smart" comments, that only you understand, that have nothing to do with the thread, and which you do to while away your time. If you want to do that, then create a blog on the web, or even go to the Lounge in T2W where I can at least make a choice whether I want to look at your comments. Whereas on this thread, I HAVE to look at your comments about whatever you write about (which is almost always out of context to the topic)...
Comprende? matey?
merci beaucoup.... (I'm trying to write in a language other than English also cos I know you like that sort of thing)....
P.S. Of course, if you do want to write about the topic of this thread, then please do. Now that really would be very interesting....
P.P.S. I predict that Socrates will now write a long essay either in this thread in reply to the above, or he will write a short book that he will PM me..... I further predict that there is no way he will be wise enough not to retort to me in some way or other and furthermore, he will not be wise enough to graciously stop posting off-topic .... I wonder if my prediction will be like a bad trade or not?
P.P.P.S. Soccy - you may want to start using the spellchecker cos your incredible command of english is littered with spelling errors.....
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dsm - another option is for you to pur Socrates on your ignore list. (Do we still have that option on t2w?). But then you'd miss all the fun.
The other thing is, nobody has any 'rights' of direction or restriction on any of these public threads other than t2w admin & mods. And while there may be a few who appreciate your attempt at being self-appointed 'chairman' - there's equally likely to be at least as many who don't. And you'll attract all their sniping on top of the stuff your talking about - which, BTW is extraneous to the thread in itself.
So while the intent is positive and might have a temporary impact along the lines you'd like, it's unlikely to be long-term and may well invite further off-topic comment - just like this. Plus, the thing is, a lot of the 'glue' that holds these threads together and stops them all just tailing off into argon-filled inertia of ennui is the witty bandinage and merrie riposte.
Just like a normal conversation - as opposed to a dry and dusty academic treatise. If I want that - there are 'other' forums I can go to...
The thing is to grin and bear it or put the suckers on your ignore. Personally, I go for the grin and bear it approach. As the old saying goes (something like) "Just because a fool says the Sun is shining doesn't mean it's raining....". You never know what you don't know...
Still, good intent and I hope the members are gentle with you. (No, missus...stop it)
The other thing is, nobody has any 'rights' of direction or restriction on any of these public threads other than t2w admin & mods. And while there may be a few who appreciate your attempt at being self-appointed 'chairman' - there's equally likely to be at least as many who don't. And you'll attract all their sniping on top of the stuff your talking about - which, BTW is extraneous to the thread in itself.
So while the intent is positive and might have a temporary impact along the lines you'd like, it's unlikely to be long-term and may well invite further off-topic comment - just like this. Plus, the thing is, a lot of the 'glue' that holds these threads together and stops them all just tailing off into argon-filled inertia of ennui is the witty bandinage and merrie riposte.
Just like a normal conversation - as opposed to a dry and dusty academic treatise. If I want that - there are 'other' forums I can go to...
The thing is to grin and bear it or put the suckers on your ignore. Personally, I go for the grin and bear it approach. As the old saying goes (something like) "Just because a fool says the Sun is shining doesn't mean it's raining....". You never know what you don't know...
Still, good intent and I hope the members are gentle with you. (No, missus...stop it)
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bramble
i agree with you that a certain amount of banter is good....but i don't agree with the above that i have quoted u on....i am not a self-appointed chairman, and as an active user of this site i have every right to say what i did. The fact that people stopped the off-topic banter which ran on for pages and pages in the market matrix link i posted actually supports my view and the fact that u have been the only respondent to this shows where the minority lies.
My first question to socrates was asked in the very first page - if u go back and have a look. I will translate all this for u.....if socrates is not interested in this topic and does not even agree with it then he does not need to make an off-the-cuff remark that it is alarming and steer the thread off-topic immediately....i and many others are interested in this topic but we aren't interested in what you and socrates are alarmed at....
anyway ....i prob wont write much more, but if the topic is more-or-less closed, then how about we discuss what else alarms bramble and socrates..?
1) this thread
2) my this post and last post...
...
come on peeps - pls feel free to add to the list....
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I would say that there is evidence to suggest that Bramble gets alarmed at the existence of Private Forums.
:cheesy:
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How much? Who will decide? And based upon what? Searching questions I'm sure you'll agree.dsmodi said:
Absolutely. As do I.dsmodi said:
The 'fact'? That's a bit of a leap. Maybe it would have stopped where it stopped without your post? Do you know for sure?dsmodi said:
Er, didn't you respond to my response?dsmodi said:
And you're right - the minority lies. No translation needed and you are also barking up the wrong tree. Socrates is also free to say whatever he chooses to say. Have you considered that he may well be THE arch-exponent of Astrological Financial Markets Determination and is merely trying to throw us all off the scent?dsmodi said:
If you were truly interested in this topic rather than posting your opinion on others' opinions of the topic - you would be interested in what Socrates (and anyone else) was alarmed at. Wouldn't you? And, I don't believe I've indicated alarm or anything else on this thread - just these 2 on-topic responses to your off-topic posts.dsmodi said:
Don't give up the writing bit. It can only get better.dsmodi said:
And Good Idea about the 'what alarms' thingy. {Pity about shiang hai-ing this thread though.}
Here goes:-
What alarms Brambs:-
People who attempt to dictate what and how others should (a) do (b) think (c) act (d) feel (e) respond/not respond (f) take the poison themselves and wait for the object of their displeasure to die.
Can I go now? Because this is a thread about Astrological Data Overlays and I don't feel I've added too much....
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As the originator of the thread, my overview is:
I was surprised and heartened with the level of positive repsonses, with regards to ideas and web-links to systems and people who use astrology either primarily, or secondarily i the context of trading.
From post Nbr 32 or so onwards, the posts have been of the navel-gazing, intellualising, but no actual DATA.
I was hoping for enough ideas to see if there was a "general" pattern, before deciding on a specific course of action.
The purpose of the thread was to see if we could empirically come up with something, rather than intellectualise. (useful, but ultimately, unproductive)
re: Socrates and "reality".
I think perception is more important than reality, since we respond to perceptions. (even if they can be pre-conceived). NOT being open-minded to new ideas is a dead-end. Even if you dont agree, there is no reason not to take the thread light-heartedly.
My preference is for more web-links and productive ideas.
Even if, in the final analysis, it is decided there is no advantage to astrology, I hope we come away enriched with lots of new knowledge, interesting facts, and a slightly broader view of the world around us.
I was surprised and heartened with the level of positive repsonses, with regards to ideas and web-links to systems and people who use astrology either primarily, or secondarily i the context of trading.
From post Nbr 32 or so onwards, the posts have been of the navel-gazing, intellualising, but no actual DATA.
I was hoping for enough ideas to see if there was a "general" pattern, before deciding on a specific course of action.
The purpose of the thread was to see if we could empirically come up with something, rather than intellectualise. (useful, but ultimately, unproductive)
re: Socrates and "reality".
I think perception is more important than reality, since we respond to perceptions. (even if they can be pre-conceived). NOT being open-minded to new ideas is a dead-end. Even if you dont agree, there is no reason not to take the thread light-heartedly.
My preference is for more web-links and productive ideas.
Even if, in the final analysis, it is decided there is no advantage to astrology, I hope we come away enriched with lots of new knowledge, interesting facts, and a slightly broader view of the world around us.
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TheBramble said:
Do you know the names of any dry and dusty academic forums, preferably relevant to short-term equity futures trading? I know www.wilmott.com for quants in general but not any others.
zambuck - agree totally with u...
trendie - lol - i have no proof, but i also have v.little doubt that soccy and brambie have been pm'ing u to reply and mention your following quote...
if i am right trendie - then do try to be aware of being manipulated....if not, then at least translate for me what "navel-gazing" and "intellualising" mean?
cheers
trendie - lol - i have no proof, but i also have v.little doubt that soccy and brambie have been pm'ing u to reply and mention your following quote...
trendie said:
if i am right trendie - then do try to be aware of being manipulated....if not, then at least translate for me what "navel-gazing" and "intellualising" mean?
cheers
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dsmodi,
Please dont think I was picking on your specific post.
I should have said May 14th noon onwards.
reason I chose that one, was because Beach Runnr posted his weblink, which I think was the last productive one. (wave59, etc was mentioned prior to that) etc.
re: navel-gazing.
I mean endless talk, but no "money-on-the-table", such as,
"over the past X years, does the Dow rise after a full moon",
or
"does the Dow volatility increase when Jupiter is a Fire sign".
apologies if you think I was choosing your post in particular.
Please dont think I was picking on your specific post.
I should have said May 14th noon onwards.
reason I chose that one, was because Beach Runnr posted his weblink, which I think was the last productive one. (wave59, etc was mentioned prior to that) etc.
re: navel-gazing.
I mean endless talk, but no "money-on-the-table", such as,
"over the past X years, does the Dow rise after a full moon",
or
"does the Dow volatility increase when Jupiter is a Fire sign".
apologies if you think I was choosing your post in particular.
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Given that one branch of this pseudoscience maintains that the gravitational attraction of the planets at the time of one's birth somehow has an effect on one's personality, is it not a tiny bit alarming that people may base trading (and any other) decisions on it? The only argument in favour of astrology - given the vacuum of empirical evidence in support of it or explanation of mechanisms by which it might work - seems to be that nobody has managed to disprove it.
Actually I'm a bit confused by the definition of astrology anyway. Dictionary says:
"The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs."
Well, the moon is sufficiently close to earth to mess with our sea levels, giving rise to tides. Occasionally Mars gets in the way of the sun and we have an eclipse, and so on. I wouldn't call this astrology for a moment, but perhaps this is the type of influence being discussed?
Once the celestial bodies are sufficiently far away (inverse square law etc.) then the gravitational effect they will have on earth is minuscule and not worth considering. Are there other mechanisms by which astrologers think the planets etc, interfere with us and if so what? I am genuinely interested even though I don't believe a word of it.
Fettered, especially, I would be glad to hear your views, given your confident and disarmingly breezy assertion that "astrology picks changes in momentum, not generally direction. it is up to other methods to pick the direction for you.. astrology can pick the points for you..."
*opens mind another inch*
Actually I'm a bit confused by the definition of astrology anyway. Dictionary says:
"The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs."
Well, the moon is sufficiently close to earth to mess with our sea levels, giving rise to tides. Occasionally Mars gets in the way of the sun and we have an eclipse, and so on. I wouldn't call this astrology for a moment, but perhaps this is the type of influence being discussed?
Once the celestial bodies are sufficiently far away (inverse square law etc.) then the gravitational effect they will have on earth is minuscule and not worth considering. Are there other mechanisms by which astrologers think the planets etc, interfere with us and if so what? I am genuinely interested even though I don't believe a word of it.
Fettered, especially, I would be glad to hear your views, given your confident and disarmingly breezy assertion that "astrology picks changes in momentum, not generally direction. it is up to other methods to pick the direction for you.. astrology can pick the points for you..."
*opens mind another inch*
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frugi,
I think Michel Gaugelin (sp) did some analysis of birth-times of famous sportsmen/women, and found a statistically significant number had Mars in the ascendant, or something.
(only possible, because, I believe, the French record birth-times as well as date)
and also, Jupiter was found to be significant in military types.
I think Michel Gaugelin (sp) did some analysis of birth-times of famous sportsmen/women, and found a statistically significant number had Mars in the ascendant, or something.
(only possible, because, I believe, the French record birth-times as well as date)
and also, Jupiter was found to be significant in military types.
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Oh no !!!!
I can see URANUS getting a mention agn quite soon !
I can see URANUS getting a mention agn quite soon !
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I found this interesting. Just one way that a form of astrology has affected the way we do our business today:-
www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag03012001/magf1.htm
I would still be interested to see a financial astrologer show how they work. I have seen some charts but I don't know how anyone can have enough faith in a lot of these ideas to put real money on the line.
www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag03012001/magf1.htm
I would still be interested to see a financial astrologer show how they work. I have seen some charts but I don't know how anyone can have enough faith in a lot of these ideas to put real money on the line.
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How would you define a "notable" HIGH or LOW on a DAILY chart ???
I suggest;
A notable HIGH on a daily chart is one where the HIGH point is not exceeded by another high point 5 days on either side.
A notable LOW on a daily chart is one where teh LOW point is not exceeded by another low point 5 days on either side.
Any other suggestions ?
(The purpose of this is, once we can agree on a definition, to see whether there are planetary positions that coincide with an agreed definition of High and Low.)
I suggest;
A notable HIGH on a daily chart is one where the HIGH point is not exceeded by another high point 5 days on either side.
A notable LOW on a daily chart is one where teh LOW point is not exceeded by another low point 5 days on either side.
Any other suggestions ?
(The purpose of this is, once we can agree on a definition, to see whether there are planetary positions that coincide with an agreed definition of High and Low.)
