Astrology

[hwsteele]

So there is this thread that just started today where a new member asked about using astrology.

You know, like if anyone one uses it to trade.

My self and one other T2W member posted asking a question or two but then there was a third who made a complete horses a$$ of him/her self and once again made T2W look bad.

So this inspired me to start my own thread that I will contribute to from time to time showing how I :!:USE ASTROLOGY:!: to help time the markets.

Now just so we have it clear I use :!:ASTROLOGY:!: to point to a time that I expect to see a market react in some way.
When the time comes I let price tell me to make the trade or not.
And, as always, I use money management to keep myself safe if the trade should go badly.
You know stops and stuff

Now if you would like to ask questions, or make observations, or even show methods of your own that's completely welcome.

If you are so against :!:ASTROLOGY:!: that you need to make a fool of your self and post rude trash I will be reporting your posts and asking to have them removed.

I am not saying that you can't post something saying that you don't agree, that is quite fine, just don't make a horses a$$ of your self.
Show a little respect please!

 

[hwsteele]

And to my dear friend Atra...
I know you will most likely be taking a look-see at this thread.
You may want to take some ideas that are shown here and see what you think.
Some of the stuff we have talked about is really part of what I am going to talk about here in time.

 

[hwsteele]

Wheat

 

[Nut]

In regular astrology mythological meanings associated to planets play a huge part in the predictive process. Does financial astrology also use mythological associations or is it based soley upon the planetary alignments ie conjuctions etc.

Thanks in advance
Nut

 

[shadowninja]

What's with the wheat graph, then?

 

[Black Swan]

A *logical* explanation rooted in 'down to earth' matters? OK, if, for example, JP Morgan consulted astrologers on each major life decision (which natuarally overlapped onto his business decisions); such as apparently not setting off on Titanic's first voyage etc. then a valid argument could be put forward that it's not planetary movements that cause market moves, but an elite group of decision makers using astrology to make their decisions, therefore the rest of us 'indirectly' get in line and play with the chaos and randomness left....Makes sense?

 

[dcraig1]

A *logical* explanation rooted in 'down to earth' matters? OK, if, for example, JP Morgan consulted astrologers on each major life decision (which natuarally overlapped onto his business decisions); such as apparently not setting off on Titanic's first voyage etc. then a valid argument could be put forward that it's not planetary movements that cause market moves, but an elite group of decision makers using astrology to make their decisions, therefore the rest of us 'indirectly' get in line and play with the chaos and randomness left....Makes sense?

No, because astrologers just make stuff up. Different astrologers - different stuff. They would all need to be taking advice from the same astrologer which is verging on the ridiculously implausible.

 

[dcraig1]

Katz and McCormick in The Encyclopedia of Trading Strategies devote a chapter to "Lunar and Solar Rhythms" (with source code). It's possibly worth a read.

Calendars are based on solar (and sort of lunar) "cycles". Calendars are important to economic activity, so it's not unreasonable to expect seasonality that could possibly be exploited for trading purposes.

There is no plausible connection of the orbits of planets to economic activity or financial markets. Absolutely none. Why waste time on this nonsense?

 

[hwsteele]

In regular astrology mythological meanings associated to planets play a huge part in the predictive process. Does financial astrology also use mythological associations or is it based soley upon the planetary alignments ie conjuctions etc.

Thanks in advance
Nut

Both methods can be used. The difference just depends on the person and their personal methods. There are all kinds of ways to use the planets as you will see in the next couple of weeks.

What's with the wheat graph, then?

That is a great question!
The answer is I was going to make a second post with that chart and point some things out on the chart.

BUT

My lady indicated it was time to come to bed and spend some time with her.
As dense as I am, I don't need astrology to know when to pay attention to her over the computer!

 

[shadowninja]

I am not sure of your commitment to trading. You put nookie before trading?

 

[hwsteele]

No, because astrologers just make stuff up. Different astrologers - different stuff. They would all need to be taking advice from the same astrologer which is verging on the ridiculously implausible.

While I will not argue that quite a few astrologers just make stuff up (that would make them frauds not real astrologers) there are a good many who don't.

Katz and McCormick in The Encyclopedia of Trading Strategies devote a chapter to "Lunar and Solar Rhythms" (with source code). It's possibly worth a read.

Calendars are based on solar (and sort of lunar) "cycles". Calendars are important to economic activity, so it's not unreasonable to expect seasonality that could possibly be exploited for trading purposes.

There is no plausible connection of the orbits of planets to economic activity or financial markets. Absolutely none. Why waste time on this nonsense?

You are wrong about that and yes I can "prove" it.
While I will not get into an argument about whether or not the planets cause or simply time certain things, the fact is there is a "plausible connection" that can be shown from the planets to the "economic activity or financial markets".

The only problem with proving things is dogma.
How many times have people not believed something that they have seen with their own eyes because they were programed by others not to believe things.

Too many people simply CAN NOT think for them selves.

But that's another thread not this one.

Gann, probably the trading worlds most famous financial astrologer, used the larger/slower planets to forecast floods, droughts, and years of plenty in the USA.

If you knew that a certain year was going to be a year of plenty you would know that the price of wheat would go down because of all the bumper crops.

The opposite would be true with years a drought.
Any way, I am heading to the Central Market to get our grub for the week.
I will put more up later...

 

[hwsteele]

I am not sure of your commitment to trading. You put nookie before trading?

HELL YES!

I am not the only one who can trade.
and
I don't want to be traded for someone taller and better looking so...

 

[DionysusToast]

Well - I will not flame here but I do not believe in this at all. In fact, my opinion is that this, much like most of TA, is a crutch. In reality you do not know that Astrology is helping you at all. Or rather - you think it is helping you in one way but more likely it is helping you in a different way.

A good test would be to have someone else do the astrological analysis for you, then on an agreed upon interval they would give you an envelope with either the real astrological analysis or a made up one.

As you said -the astrology will give you a time/date and when it comes you have to decide what to do at that time/date. I would therefore propose that your success is related to you deciding what to do at that time/date and that astrology is merely giving you a psychological/confidence boost.

 

[shadowninja]

HELL YES!

I am not the only one who can trade.
and
I don't want to be traded for someone taller and better looking so...

 

[hwsteele]

Well - I will not flame here but I do not believe in this at all. In fact, my opinion is that this, much like most of TA, is a crutch. In reality you do not know that Astrology is helping you at all. Or rather - you think it is helping you in one way but more likely it is helping you in a different way.

A good test would be to have someone else do the astrological analysis for you, then on an agreed upon interval they would give you an envelope with either the real astrological analysis or a made up one.

As you said -the astrology will give you a time/date and when it comes you have to decide what to do at that time/date. I would therefore propose that your success is related to you deciding what to do at that time/date and that astrology is merely giving you a psychological/confidence boost.

First off thanks for not flaming.
A slow burn is quite fine:cheesy:

The point you make is a good one and is at least part true at times imho.

The way I look at the market in a nut shell is as follows:

The market can only do three things---go up, go down, or go sideways.
and only one of those at a time on any given time frame.
Timing the market comes down to forecasting when the market will change from one of the three to one of the other two.
I have personally found that most people tend to miss the sideways market movement as a possibility and this can cause some problems as to what some folks do and do not consider a success for a forecast.

Now if most (7 out of 10 or better) astrological forecasts point to the correct time that the market changes from one of three to one of the other two then something is going on more than a simple imagined crutch. IMHO
And that of course assumes that you don't consider being able to forecast a change in the market a crutch.

 

[dick_dastardly]

Sun Spot Activity (22.7 years)>>>Effects on Earth's atmosphere>>>global weather patterns>>>crop yields>>>commodity prices>>>economic cycle>>>recessions>>>we go to war about once every 11 years ( 11 yrs = Sun spot cycle/2 ).

Not that I subscribe to this theory you understand.

As for astrologers making it up, isn't that what some financial analysts do? Are they fraudsters too?

dick_dastardly, we notice you haven't posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?

:cheesy:

dd

 

[hwsteele]

Sun Spot Activity (22.7 years)>>>Effects on Earth's atmosphere>>>global weather patterns>>>crop yields>>>commodity prices>>>economic cycle>>>recessions>>>we go to war about once every 11 years ( 11 yrs = Sun spot cycle/2 ).

Not that I subscribe to this theory you understand.

As for astrologers making it up, isn't that what some financial analysts do? Are they fraudsters too?

:cheesy:

dd

All I can say is how honored I am that you picked this thread to rid your self of that message.:cheesy:
Fraudsters too? Well duh!

 

[hwsteele]

OK, now all of these "secrets" that I will be giving away in the next few weeks are older than dirt its self. The Illuminati will probably take care of me before I get to the really good stuff
SO
use what you see here at your own risk!!!

I think they are already on my trail cause the sample dude at the store today insisted that I eat his last sample of steak. It may have been poisoned

 

[Dmond]

I know traders who use astrology very successfully. There is a definitive body of knowledge for using astrology for predictive purposes. This knowledge is practically impossible to come by and is also a few thousand years old, examples of which include how the three wise men came to find Jesus. Finding someone who has access to and is willing to part with that knowledge is extremely difficult.

Most people practising astrology do not have access to this body of knowledge, they are simply using their own research, which is incomplete and leads to erroneous predictions. The predictive accuracy is down to the skill of the individual astrologer, much like any other profession. Not all surgeons have the same skill; some are atrocious, some are outstanding.

I would say that there are less than 20 people in the whole world who have a proper knowledge of astrology and access to the full body of knowledge. The rest are just amateurs, with hit and miss predictions. Unfortunately for the reputation of astrology even an amateur is labelled an astrologer.

The interesting thing for traders is that even a small amount of relevant knowledge of astrology can give an experienced trader a very big edge. But this knowledge has to come from that original source, which is a few thousand years old and very hard to come by.

 

[Black Swan]

No, because astrologers just make stuff up. Different astrologers - different stuff. They would all need to be taking advice from the same astrologer which is verging on the ridiculously implausible.

Ya think? Anyhow, I reckon this thread could be awesome, a refreshing change from the usual *stuff* on 'ere..