Best Thread The Options edge (Writing Vs Buying)

[CYOF]

Update On Vote To Ask Bulldozer To Return To T2W

CYOF = Yes
Mr.Marcus = Yes - but I nearly missed it
Olipro = Yes
FetteredChinos = No
Glen = No
Zu = No
Wasp = No
Profitaker = Yes


Running Total

Yes = 4
No = 4

Please submit your vote, and note that a post without a vote will be taken as either a Yes or a No, depending on the content of the post.

Thank You.

 

[barjon]

I have a good suggestion to revive this thread.

As we all know about the Master Options Trader, Mr John C Bulldozer, by now, I am now taking votes from members as to whether we should ask Bulldozer to come back to T2W and start posting in this thread, and others, again.

I do not mind doing the tallies and asking Bulldozer if he will re-join, but if someone else wants to do it, please be my guest.

Zu, what about you, you were doing a great job on the 16 names in The Little Circle, which we may also revive if we can persuade Bulldozer to come back and start posting.

I vote YES.

cyof

I am an extremely patient fellow, but enough is enough.

You continue to proclaim it as truth that Bulldozer banned himself. You fail, of course, to mention that the post you quote - which you will note has since been edited because of profanity - was received after he had been warned about offensive and abusive behaviour. Accordingly, whether he wished it or not, he was banned. For someone so keen on the facts, you ought to get yours straight. Should Bulldozer himself apologise for his bad behaviour (and to Frugi) and undertake to behave properly in future we may consider reinstatement as we have done with others in the past. Polls don't count.

Whilst I'm at it I should say that T2W has a broad back when it comes to discussing the virtues of other sites, but you go too far in posting links to his site. Should you persist I shall require you to register as a vendor - and the same goes for Socrates.

jon

 

[Glenn]

cyof, your words appear to suggest that I am the author of your points 1 to 15 at the end of this post..
May I make it absolutely clear to everyone that they are the thoughts of cyof, and not me.
I have nothing to do with them. I can only assume that by attributing them to me he is making mischief, or worse.

My point was as follows: -
"This is what has lured the believers into thinking they are suddenly gods."

"Don't get drunk on selling puts in a rising market.
This means that every month you'll be making good money and you may start to think that it's your 'skill' as a 'trader' that's making the money rather than market circumstances (ie rising prices).
For as sure as the sun rises in the East the up-trends won't last forever and when prices do start falling and hence put options start rising you may not realise until it's too late that your once so successful strategy is now a disaster.
This is what I mean by getting drunk, and I've seen it happen to countless option traders "

And finally, "NO" in answer to this question: -
"Should we count No or Yes for posters who do not vote?"

Glenn

To all members, Glen here has a few points of Truth you should consider for to assist you with the most appropriate Vote that will be in your own best interests.

1. Bulldozer is a Master Options / Derivatives trader.

2. He beat 7 of the best options trader here single handed.

3. He also raised cash for charities from those that he proved wrong! Hundreds of £$£$£ the losers paid to the charities direct with the Bulldozer not touching or seeing the money from the losers.

4. He does Not only trade NAKED OPTIONS as most are implying.

5. The Derivatives Options section is Dead without John C Bulldozer - The Master Options Trader.

6. Perhaps the "No" voters don't want to vote Yes because they know that he is the BEST, and they don't want to lose wagers against him to pay the charities or be embarrassed by his skills.

7. Bulldozer is good at making people like Mr Profitaker look ordinary, and at same time extract money from these guys on losing bets for good charity causes.

8. He was the only one, until Socrates started posting trades, that showed wining trades.

9. Mr Profitaker has Not showed One single winning trade yet. So dont let his opinions decide your votes

10. I'm sure i can twist his arm and return if the majority vote YES.

11. He got banned many times because he retaliated against the detractors. He never initiated the Problems.

12 . Many members here got banned Several times and are still here after their ban has been lifted.

13. Please keep your votes coming if you guys want the Master Options / Derivatives Trader back on T2W.

14 If you dont vote it could be counted as a No or a Yes vote.

15. Should we count No or Yes for posters who do not vote?

Thank You.

 

[mr.marcus]

Update On Vote To Ask Bulldozer To Return To T2W

CYOF = Yes
Mr.Marcus = Yes - but I nearly missed it
Olipro = Yes
FetteredChinos = No
Glen = No
Zu = No
Wasp = No
Profitaker = Yes


Running Total

Yes = 4
No = 4

Please submit your vote, and note that a post without a vote will be taken as either a Yes or a No, depending on the content of the post.

Thank You.

...its a yes but only because i believe membership rules.....specifically in this cause ...banning rules....should be applied consistently...on a personal level i dont know him from adam or adamette.

 

[CYOF]

cyof

I am an extremely patient fellow, but enough is enough.

You continue to proclaim it as truth that Bulldozer banned himself. You fail, of course, to mention that the post you quote - which you will note has since been edited because of profanity - was received after he had been warned about offensive and abusive behaviour. Accordingly, whether he wished it or not, he was banned. For someone so keen on the facts, you ought to get yours straight. Should Bulldozer himself apologise for his bad behaviour (and to Frugi) and undertake to behave properly in future we may consider reinstatement as we have done with others in the past.

Whilst I'm at it I should say that T2W has a broad back when it comes to discussing the virtues of other sites, but you go too far in posting links to his site. Should you persist I shall require you to register as a vendor - and the same goes for Socrates.

jon

Hi Jon,

I will pass on your kind words to Bulldozer and reply in due course.

As for the Vendor thing, both Socrtaes and I have clearly stated in the past, and I will now state it again, for all to see:

"We are not selling anything"

We are posting trades on a public website dedicated to trading.

We are informing the viewers as to where we have moulded our views, which is very similar to what other people do on this site.

As for citybulls, in case anyone has not noticed it, after many many posts, Socrates is now the Gatekeeper to the private trading area, and there is no admittance to this area without Socrates' approval.

Again, we are dealing in the Art of trading, and have not one bit of interest in financial gain solicited from the public.

Any fees have been instigated for a reason, and that reason has been clearly stated as well, many times, and where the fees go, has also been stated, many times.

Now, I felt I had to clear that up so that all know for once and for all that we have not one iota of interest in selling anything, we are only interested in the Art of trading.

I have no authority to say anything else, but I am sure that Socrates can answer any queries or concerns that you may have.

Thank you Jon.

 

[FetteredChinos]

could well be another ban on the cards after that one..

 

[CYOF]

...its a yes but only because i believe membership rules.....specifically in this cause ...banning rules....should be applied consistently...on a personal level i dont know him from adam or adamette.

Yes mr.marcus,

Exactly my views - what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander.

Thank You.

 

[barjon]

...........................As for the Vendor thing, both Socrtaes and I have clearly stated in the past, and I will now state it again, for all to see:

"We are not selling anything"........................
QUOTE]

cyof

Nevertheless, you are directly advertising the site so what I said stands.

jon

 

[zupcon]

Yes mr.marcus,

Exactly my views - what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander.

Thank You.

I think everyone would agree with Mr Marcus, the rules need to be applied consistently.

In simple terms this is how it works:

you misbehave, you get a warning
you continue to misbehave, you get a short ban
you continue to misbehave, you get banned permanently
you offer a sincere apology to those you've offended, you get reinstated

The problem at the moment is he wont offer an apology. The rules arnt perfect, they may not even be fair, but thats all you have to work with. I could understand a certain amount of zealousness in protesting your innocence if you'd been falsely convicted for murder, but this is a ban from an internet forum, its hardly in the same league. The world is full of big problems and injustices that you could actively support and fight for, and you could make a real contribution, why waste your time with this nonsense ?

regards
zu

 

[dbphoenix]

I think everyone would agree with Mr Marcus, the rules need to be applied consistently.

In simple terms this is how it works:

you misbehave, you get a warning
you continue to misbehave, you get a short ban
you continue to misbehave, you get banned permanently
you offer a sincere apology to those you've offended, you get reinstated

The problem at the moment is he wont offer an apology. The rules arnt perfect, they may not even be fair, but thats all you have to work with. I could understand a certain amount of zealousness in protesting your innocence if you'd been falsely convicted for murder, but this is a ban from an internet forum, its hardly in the same league. The world is full of big problems and injustices that you could actively support and fight for, and you could make a real contribution, why waste your time with this nonsense ?

regards
zu

Yes, they do need to be applied consistently, as was pointed out over a year ago and periodically ever since. But, as far as I know, none of the PTB have ever explained why they're not applied consistently. Until then, the preferred solution appears to be deleting posts, and the effectiveness of this approach seems to be rather clear.

 

[mr.marcus]

you offer a sincere apology to those you've offended, you get reinstatedzu

......all agreed until this point.....there are some instances where apologies still will never make up for the actions of the individual......anyone been at the end of a cyber stalker who then threatens to take it to a personal contact level?......there's jealous/lazy/ no good people out there....then there's mentalists who are dangerous...believe me ive been thru this experience ...thru this site i have learnt to become more of a "grey" man ...its an unfortunate necessity

then there's the fact....how do you know its sincere.....like how many people are really sincere of here....er.....try counting it out on captain hooks fingers (kiddin)

so to go as far to state that an apology equals definite re admittance is a step too far....each has to be considered on its own merits and with provisions.

 

[SOCRATES]

cyof

I am an extremely patient fellow, but enough is enough.

You continue to proclaim it as truth that Bulldozer banned himself. You fail, of course, to mention that the post you quote - which you will note has since been edited because of profanity - was received after he had been warned about offensive and abusive behaviour. Accordingly, whether he wished it or not, he was banned. For someone so keen on the facts, you ought to get yours straight. Should Bulldozer himself apologise for his bad behaviour (and to Frugi) and undertake to behave properly in future we may consider reinstatement as we have done with others in the past. Polls don't count.

Whilst I'm at it I should say that T2W has a broad back when it comes to discussing the virtues of other sites, but you go too far in posting links to his site. Should you persist I shall require you to register as a vendor - and the same goes for Socrates.

jon

Let me explain to you very clearly. I am not a vendor. I have never been a vendor since I joined this site and will never be one. A vendor is an individual who vends. I am not doing any vending. I am doing the opposite to vending. I am making it known that i am the gatekeeper to the Platinum Lounge appointed by the owner on a strictly honorary basis as a consequence of my extensive knowledge of who's who in the zoo, so to speak.

The fact that the Platinum Lounge is on a subscription basis to exclusively invited indivduals known personally on a face to face basis beforehand either to the owner or myself is incidental. My role is to keep unsuitable people out and to prevent them slipping the net.
Therefore my role is to discourage attempts by members here to try to apply for membership.
My role is to discourage and not to encourage. To encourage is vending. To discourage is the opposite. I am doing the opposite.

I mentioned his site because it is relevant. I am guaranteed of not having to stuggle with rude, aggressive detractors and interruptors and derailers like I have to here until my thread is finished and I have proved my point publicly and to my satisfaction.

I am not interested in presenting the Platinum Lounge as an accessible facility on payment of a fee. The inculsion of the fee is incidental. I am interested to warn that I am the gatekeeper and I do not admit strangers, however friendly or sympathetic they may present a posture in public but in reality to me are just niick on the internet.

I am not interested in abusing the hosting of T2W to carry out any sort of recruiting drive because my object is exactly the opposite, as I clearly and brutally describe above therefore I am an Anti Vendor and not a Vendor as defined in the rules of the site. I cannot explain it more clearly than this.

I hope and expect this detailed and lengthy explanation serves to finally convince you and to satisfy everybody.

I have observed there are the usual culprits again trying to stir dissent and trouble. This is to be expected on this BB as the norm and it is my view that instead of this kind of insidiously malicious and malignant behaviour being tightly curbed it is allowed to continue unchecked.

When openly challenged to answer all I get is accusations or smilies but not an answer.I have allowed several minutes to elapse and there is no explanation of exactly what is implied forthcoming.

On this site, as Bully so aptly calls them the Monkeys, are allowed to run riot. The best and most well informed posters have to put up with a constant stream of abuse, rudeness, pictures of naked women, a particular image that has appeared twice that can be construed to be pornographic, accusations of sexual aberrations insults and even thinly veiled threats, and yet these members are not banned and their transgressions allowed to continue with impunity.

I intend to fulfil my mission and complete my thread that I started. I have had to contend with many posts off topic, offensive posts and even the presence of Profitaker, who rudely declares he has put me on ignore yet continues to post prolifically on the thread of the thread starter he profssses to ignore and whom he showers with abuse.

The problem here is that the Monkeys are not properly recognised as Monkeys and either banned or curbed. This is causing the site to spiral downwards fast. It causes those of us who are able to meaningfully contribute to question the validity to continue to post here and indeed the integrity of the site itself.

Kind Regards as Usual.

 

[dbphoenix]

One of the best South Park episodes has to do with Cartmanland, an amusement park owned by Cartman and which he refuses to allow anyone to enter. This of course has the effect of exponentially increasing demand, customers begging to be allowed to enter, which, eventually, they are allowed to do.

Spin, anyone?

 

[Profitaker]

Hey db

You're in the wrong job LOL

 

[zupcon]

My role is to keep unsuitable people out and to prevent them slipping the net.
Therefore my role is to discourage attempts by members here to try to apply for membership.
My role is to discourage and not to encourage. To encourage is vending. To discourage is the opposite. I am doing the opposite.

The simplest and most effective method of protecting the platinum lounge, is to keep its existence a secret. There would be no need for a gate-keeper, if the sites owners didn't take every possible opportunity to advertise its presence to all and sundry.

When the individuals who run the platinum lounge actively solicit membership by sending PM's to members of a rival site, they will quite rightly attract unwanted attention and criticism

regards
zupcon

 

[barjon]

........................Let me explain to you very clearly. I am not a vendor. I have never been a vendor since I joined this site and will never be one. A vendor is an individual who vends. I am not doing any vending. .....................

socrates

I accept your assurance that you are not selling anything and also that you do not have a commercial interest in the site you mention.

However, your persistent reference to that site and its owner comes very close to the advertising mark and you overstep that mark when you post a direct link to it. Thus, what I said stands.

Cheers

jon

 

[A Dashing Blade]

cyof

I am an extremely patient fellow, but enough is enough.

You continue to proclaim it as truth that Bulldozer banned himself . . . .

jon

Barjon, I know that cyof is Bulldozer, you know that cyof is bulldozer, in fact, everyone knows that cyof is bulldozer.

Just ban the muppet. End Of. Problems solved.

 

[SOCRATES]

The simplest and most effective method of protecting the platinum lounge, is to keep its existence a secret. There would be no need for a gate-keeper, if the sites owners didn't take every possible opportunity to advertise its presence to all and sundry.

When the individuals who run the platinum lounge actively solicit membership by sending PM's to members of a rival site, they will quite rightly attract unwanted attention and criticism

regards
zupcon

Precisely.

But you will never recieve any PM from me as you imply you might..

This goes for everyone on this site, absolutely everyone without exception.

I have made the matter very clear and yet you insist.

But I tell you what...since you persist with the matter....on this site there is an obsessed member who we all know by now and who contradicts everything....everything....but he himself does not trade....... (or posts anything live ever despite being offered repeated wagers)..... who persistently tries to get in...... ..under different nicks...hahaha...is obsessed and yells "let me in"....... "let me in"...........and as i am the gatekeeper...I do not admit....and this infuriates no end I promise you....funny....hilarious u c ?...a friend of ducatti...get my drift ?

On the other site there is a monkey cage in which....when he accumulates a suitable number of posts under one of his nicks....he is thrown into this monkey cage for all visitors to plainly see and it is locked....and he cannot get out....you would think he would learn woudn/t you ? Nope ....no learning....no chance..... ...doomed....:cheesy:

 

[dbphoenix]

I do believe that something has fetched loose . . .

 

[SOCRATES]

Barjon, I know that cyof is Bulldozer, you know that cyof is bulldozer, in fact, everyone knows that cyof is bulldozer.

Just ban the muppet. End Of. Problems solved.

Why are you such a hypocrite ?

Why do you follow him everywhere he goes then, and why do you reply to his posts ?

He is not Bulldozer he is himself.

But you go looking for Bulldozer at least twice a day on his site because I can see you, don't you ?

Very little escapes me .......:cheesy: ........... but you are restricted to the public boards there, that's all. Everything online and offline is out of bounds to you.....