Ukraine invasion

[CavaliereVerde]

Tass lost every bit of credibility after feb 24, like Putin, Peskov, Lavrov...
To understand what is really going on from the Russian perspective is better to monitor Prigozhin and Girkin.

 

[counter_violent]

MSN

 

[timsk]

Just like Ronald Reagan.
You don't need to be an expert in economy or a military strategist to be a president.
You make political decisions based on reports by your collaborators.

Thank you for making my point for me which is that there are plenty of people we all pay attention to - regardless of whether or not we like them or agree with them - who are not experts. Experts only form a small part of the overall mix of commentators on any particular topic and, often as not, are best treated with the same degree of scepticism (or more) that one would bestow on anyone else.

 

[timsk]

So how do you select you sources?

By keeping an open mind and exercising critical thinking. I recommend you try it sometime!

Granted, it's much easier for me than it is for you because I'm not on anyone's side and I'm not joined at the hip like you are to an ideologically fixed view unless, that is, one regards wanting peace and the death and destruction to stop as having an ideologically fixed view.

Why Brian or Russell Brand o The Duran are better than BBC CNN or DW ?

CV - do you actually read my posts before commenting on them? Comments like this make me think you don't.

Let's play a little game. Based on all the things I've said to you over the past few days - you tell me what you think my answer is going to be. I've already addressed this, so if you've been paying attention you should know exactly what my answer will be.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

I have answered many question from you in this thread, when I make one you bounce it back.
You are the master I am the dumb, you are the open minded and I am the brainwashed naive.
Given your arrogant attitude I won't waste my time to answer your provocations anymore.

 

[timsk]

If they have an anti US agenda.....they're in !

You obviously missed my post in which I said that I pay close attention to how the war is reported by the BBC - amongst others.

In other words....not at all unbiased therefore not credible.

If you rule out anyone expressing bias as not being credible - then you wouldn't listen, read, or watch any commentator on any topic ever - regardless of your views and whether or not you like them and agree with them. There's nothing inherently wrong with bias or having an agenda if one is open and transparent about it. E.g. Nigel Farage. Everyone knows and understands where he's coming from and what he's all about. Problems only ever arise when someone - or an organisation - masquerades as being unbiased and with no agenda when, in reality, they're anything but. So called 'fact-checking' sites are the worst for this.

 

[timsk]

I have answered many question from you in this thread, when I make one you bounce it back.
You are the master I am the dumb, you are the open minded and I am the brainwashed naive.
Given your arrogant attitude I won't waste my time to answer your provocations anymore.

Like I said a few pages back CV - feel free to put me on ignore and then you won't have to read my 'provocations' any more - let alone answer them.

Seeing as you don't want to play the game, I'll answer your question which was: "Why Brian or Russell Brand o The Duran are better than BBC CNN or DW ?" [sic]
The simple answer that I hoped you would know by now is that - all other things being equal - no one is better or worse than anyone else. The trick is to get input from a variety of sources and process it with an open mind and engage critical thinking. If you only ever listen to people who constantly spout the same narrative - regardless of whether it's for or against Ukraine or Russia then, self evidently, you're going to end up with a very distorted view about what's going on. Sadly, this is what's happened to you and c_v.
Tim.

 

[Rufus_Leakey]

MSN

They might need to make room for one more.

MSN

Russia out of hospital beds for wounded troops as Kremlin launches sick attack on own men​

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Russia is beginning to find itself being overwhelmed by the number of wounded soldiers returning from the front as reports indicate the courty is running out of places to treat injured soldiers. Shifting the blame away from Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin is now shifting blame for the recent attacks from the man in charge to the recently deceased troops.

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To cope with the numbers of maimed troops, Putin has has reportedly ordered the mass use of civilian hospitals.
This is seen as a direct consequences of his mass mobilisation just a few weeks ago when civilians were mobilised.
These troops, thrown almost immediately from civilian life into combat, are beginning to come back bloodied and battered.
Putin has now allegedly demanded from his health and defence ministries to use non-military hospitals to cope with the wounded.


Putin at a desk and Russian people mourning© Getty Images

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The Kremlin said the aim was to commandeer beds to "provide individuals who have participated in the special military operation with in-patient medical care and rehabilitation".
The 'special military operation' is how Russia describes its illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Said decision to mobilise the non-civilian hospitals comes just days after Russia suffered one of the worst attacks by Ukraine since the war began 10 months ago.
The attack, on Makiivka on New Year's Eve, killed around 89 Russia soldiers said the Kremlin. However, Ukraine said the death toll could be as high as 400.
Regardless of the death too, a blame game has now been engaged in by some of Putin's generals.
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One Lt-Gen Sergey Sevryukov has tried to blame the victims of the attack.
He said their banned use of mobile phones made their location visible to Ukrainian intelligence which allowed them to target the barracks.
The Lt-Gen said: "A commission is working to investigate what happened.
"But even today it is clear that the main reason was personnel switching on and using mobile phones within the enemy reach zone."
He added: "This allowed the enemy to detect the personnel's coordinates for the missile strike."
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Meanwhile, wives of Russian soldiers killed in the attack have begun to raise concerns after another disaster for aggressors.
Speaking to iStores independent media, the relatives said the soldiers were "turned into mincemeat" and blamed the "criminal commanders" who they say practically invited Ukraine to strike.
One said: "There are a lot of people who turned into minced meat. They were not even allowed to take the deceased men, and did not allow them to be buried.
"Many were thrown around so much they can't be put together. I know that literally they were wiping their brains off their boots."
Even those awarded by Putin have now started to criticise the Kremlin including Semyon Pegov who said their version of events was "not too convincing".

 

[counter_violent]

Ah, Putin and his goodwill gestures know no bounds.

Ukraine war: Kyiv rejects Putin's Russian Orthodox Christmas truce

The 36-hour Orthodox Christmas ceasefire is "a cover" to stop the Ukrainian advance, Zelensky says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[timsk]

Ah, Putin and his goodwill gestures know no bounds.

Ukraine war: Kyiv rejects Putin's Russian Orthodox Christmas truce

The 36-hour Orthodox Christmas ceasefire is "a cover" to stop the Ukrainian advance, Zelensky says.

www.bbc.co.uk

As does the complete lack of goodwill gestures from Zelensky.

 

[Rufus_Leakey]

As does the complete lack of goodwill gestures from Zelensky.

Guess again.

Russia and Ukraine free 214 in prisoner exchange

Russia and Ukraine on Thursday exchanged 214 captured service personnel in the latest of a series of prisoner swaps, many of the Ukrainians wounded survivors of a failed attempt to defend the city of Mariupol in April and May.

www.reuters.com

Ukraine, Russia swap 50 prisoners in PoW exchange

Russia's Defence Ministry and the head of Ukraine's presidential administration said the two countries had swapped 50 service personnel on Thursday in the latest prisoner exchange between the two sides.

www.reuters.com

Dozens freed in new Ukraine-Russia prisoner swap

Latest exchange suggests some contact remains between two sides despite intense fighting in Ukraine’s east and south.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Phylo]

Revision / Refresher (6:33) (7:34)

 

[Phylo]

Battle map update : Ukraine source : Posted 06-Jan-22 04:12

 

[CavaliereVerde]

Stuff about Girkin is very interesting.
Look to min 15 and the flag behind Girkin.
It says "Novorossia".
That is the real goal, not "denazification" but the creation of a new state by shrinking Ukraine.

 

[CavaliereVerde]

If you rule out anyone expressing bias as not being credible - then you wouldn't listen, read, or watch any commentator on any topic ever

There is a difference between bias and lack of credibility.
Everyone is biased.
Variety of sources is good but you don't find the truth if you make an average between pro Ukraine propaganda and pro Russia propaganda.
War is not a political debate where you should listen to both sides.
To understand what is going on you have to dig and try to understand what is going on at the frontlines.
If you want the Russian perspective you have to monitor Girkin and Prigozhin, not Peskov or Lavrov.

 

[timsk]

Guess again.]

Not a guess guess R_L - it's in black and white text under c_v's link to a BBC article.

 

[timsk]

There is a difference between bias and lack of credibility.

CV,
You need to address this to c_v, as it was him who was asserting those with bias aren't credible - not me.

Everyone is biased.
Variety of sources is good but you don't find the truth if you make an average between pro Ukraine propaganda and pro Russia propaganda.

I've never suggested one does.
What I'm saying is merely a simple universal truth. Namely, that if you only listen, read and watch one side of the story - then you will struggle to form an objective and balanced view about what's going on. This is the position you're in, as you're only paying attention to the pro Ukraine and anti Russia narrative.

War is not a political debate where you should listen to both sides.

Err, you might want to re-think this one.
It's cause and effect. Clearly, war is the effect, or the result, of differences between two or more sides. The cause of war can be any number of things: politics, culture or religion etc. Not listening to - or just plain ignoring - the grievances of the other side is the fatal mistake that's been made with Russia and why we are where we are. The only viable argument against that is that the U.S. actively wanted the war, so they had no interest in listening to Russia's grievances, beyond confirming that they were being triggered exactly in the way the U.S. wanted them to be.

To understand what is going on you have to dig and try to understand what is going on at the frontlines.
If you want the Russian perspective you have to monitor Girkin and Prigozhin, not Peskov or Lavrov.

That depends what you mean by ". . .understand what is going on . . ." Sure, if one wants to understand what's happening militarily on the battlefield, then I agree with you. However, that's entirely separate and distinct from the mainly political situation that's the root cause of the conflict. To get a firm grasp of that, the very least that one absolutely must do is to try and understand the views and feelings of everyone involved, regardless of whether or not you like them and agree with them.
Tim.

 

[timsk]

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for January 6, 2023

• After over a week, the Western media continues talking about Ukraine’s HIMARS strike on assembled Russian troops.
• The focus on political optics inadvertently reveals the lack of strategic and tactical importance of this strike and highlights the lopsided nature of fighting against Ukraine.
• Russia possesses many times more means and opportunities to carry out such strikes and does so nearly daily.
• Western pundits are resorting to increasingly fantastical thinking to solve what they admit is Ukraine’s inability to defeat Russia.
• France has agreed to send an unspecified number of its ageing AMX-10 RC light tanks.
• The light tanks are wheeled, have light armour, and will not be able to replace the main battle tanks Ukraine has lost over the last year of fighting.
• The US is contemplating sending Bradley infantry fighting vehicles - even less capable than France’s AMX-10 RC.
• Both Western systems will require special ammunition and maintenance provisions including shipping them to the Polish border each time they break down.
• The Western systems including future transfers of even main battle tanks do not address the real deficiency Ukraine suffers from - lack of artillery and long-range weapons that Russia has in abundance.

 

[Phylo]

 

[timsk]